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OfflinePsychopathic666
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Looking for new legal stuff
    #14491597 - 05/21/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Any easily-obtained, legal psychedelics (plants) to try out? I am interested in having new experiences.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Psychopathic666]
    #14491632 - 05/21/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Salvia? Hated it though..


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: frostz]
    #14491648 - 05/21/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Morning Glory Seeds, or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds (LSA).


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: BlueB0Y]
    #14491663 - 05/21/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

morning glory seeds and HBW seeds would be good if you want something that will last a good 8 hours and something that gives visuals like acid.

Salvia is super intense so make sure you're ready for it.

My friend let me try some of his legal insense that he bought from a smoke shop. It's called "Diablo." and I think it's pretty intense. It's a black wrapper with an orange/red devil that has a fire face. It comes in 3 gram bags. You can get it on ebay. Just type "diablo insense" and it should come right up. Take it slow though. One hit will make you feel like you just smoked a bowl or two or some dank. If you smoke more, you will feel like you are in another world. It only lasts about 10-20 minutes but you still feel high for about an hour or two after that.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Psychopathic666] * 1
    #14492020 - 05/21/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Buy a mescaline cactus, or make an ayahuasca brew.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: DesignatedTripper]
    #14492082 - 05/21/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Buy a mescaline cactus, or make an ayahuasca brew.



That or grow mushrooms. Or extract DMT.

Since we're talking about legal stuff.


Edited by drr (05/21/11 11:54 PM)


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: drr]
    #14492105 - 05/22/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you do morning glories or hawaiian baby wood rose, you need to make an extract. MG has 2 chemicals that will make you barf and have a head ache, and hbwr has chemicals that control your heart rhythms. I've heard a lot of stories with people not extracting it, but haven't had time to do it myself. There are tek's on it tho.

I would recommend chewing salvia, not smoking. Very few enjoy smoking it, so you may as well not have your first time be an endurance contest. I wouldn't call salvia psychedelic at a low dose. There are some CEV's with a low dose, but it's a lot like weed that's all mind and no body buzz imo. Whole leaf is cheap too. Growing is cheep and easy.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Psychopathic666]
    #14492247 - 05/22/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If I am taking this the right way, you want something exotic right? So nobody has answered your question so far.

Phalaris - has 5MeO DMT - Found everywhere
Datura/Belladona - Only try this with a sitter (and be careful)
Calea zacatechichi - Sounds cool


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: DimensionWithin]
    #14492631 - 05/22/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:jenkem:


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Libertin]
    #14492913 - 05/22/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

DimensionWithin, that was exactly what I was looking for. I've already tried Datura multiple times though, and it was horrible.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Psychopathic666]
    #14492990 - 05/22/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yopo
ayahuasca
datura
kratom
magic truffles
mescaline cactus
and soo much more...


google bro


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Ghostwriter]
    #14493263 - 05/22/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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mamdbdylan said:
yopo
ayahuasca
datura
kratom
magic truffles
mescaline cactus
and soo much more...


google bro



only one of these is legal. I don't care, but OP did


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14494345 - 05/22/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PoisonCrazy said:
Quote:

mamdbdylan said:
yopo
ayahuasca
datura
kratom
magic truffles
mescaline cactus
and soo much more...


google bro



only one of these is legal. I don't care, but OP did




really?
well you must not really know about them then because you can easily order yopo seeds and the materials to prepare, all ingredients to ayahuasca, AND even all the materials to extract pure DMT, and magic truffles are legal and so is mescaline containg cactus, kratom is legal, and so is datura.

you should really use google, like i said before


bro...


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Psychopathic666]
    #14494432 - 05/22/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DimensionWithin, that was exactly what I was looking for. I've already tried Datura multiple times though, and it was horrible.



Glad I could help. I have some Datura but I haven't had the balls to do it yet. :eek:


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: DimensionWithin]
    #14494556 - 05/22/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^ You mean to say you havent been stupid enough yet to try it.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: DimensionWithin]
    #14494562 - 05/22/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Datura is poison. Be careful, and have a sitter handy, preferably one that also has some sort of medical background.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14494571 - 05/22/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PoisonCrazy said:
Quote:

mamdbdylan said:
yopo
ayahuasca
datura
kratom
magic truffles
mescaline cactus
and soo much more...


google bro



only one of these is legal. I don't care, but OP did




It depends where you are but in the states all of those are legal except for the truffles.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495575 - 05/22/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

PoisonCrazy said:
Quote:

mamdbdylan said:
yopo
ayahuasca
datura
kratom
magic truffles
mescaline cactus
and soo much more...


google bro



only one of these is legal. I don't care, but OP did




It depends where you are but in the states all of those are legal except for the truffles.



Way off. Mescaline is illegal, though tolerated. Yopo is bufotenin, scheduled within the last year. I ayahuasca is DMT. Do I really need to explain this to the shroomery?
And not it does not matter what state, US federal law makes them illegal. I do stand corrected that kratom and datura are both legal, I missed datura on the list the first time.

We are all one mistake away from a cage, it would do us very well to remember that simply because they tolerate an action does not prevent them from locking us up and throwing away the key next time.

Stay safe guys

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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495601 - 05/22/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Way off. Mescaline is illegal, though tolerated. Yopo is bufotenin, scheduled within the last year. I ayahuasca is DMT. Do I really need to explain this to the shroomery?
And not it does not matter what state, US federal law makes them illegal. I do stand corrected that kratom and datura are both legal, I missed datura on the list the first time.

We are all one mistake away from a cage, it would do us very well to remember that simply because they tolerate an action does not prevent them from locking us up and throwing away the key next time.

Stay safe guys

:safesex:




Mescaline is illegal but mescaline containing cactus is not, it's legally available at garden shops nationwide. Ayahuasca is completely legal and contains absolutely no DMT only harmala alkaloids which are legal. Yopo could be a grey area because of the bufotenine but the seeds themselves are not illegal.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495751 - 05/22/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PoisonCrazy said:
Way off. Mescaline is illegal, though tolerated. Yopo is bufotenin, scheduled within the last year. I ayahuasca is DMT. Do I really need to explain this to the shroomery?
And not it does not matter what state, US federal law makes them illegal. I do stand corrected that kratom and datura are both legal, I missed datura on the list the first time.

We are all one mistake away from a cage, it would do us very well to remember that simply because they tolerate an action does not prevent them from locking us up and throwing away the key next time.

Stay safe guys

:safesex:




Mescaline is illegal but mescaline containing cactus is not, it's legally available at garden shops nationwide. Ayahuasca is completely legal and contains absolutely no DMT only harmala alkaloids which are legal. Yopo could be a grey area because of the bufotenine but the seeds themselves are not illegal.



Ok, sorrry, ayahuasca the BREW contains DMT and is thus illegal, ayahuasca as a name for the vine is legal, fair enough, the brew is more commonly what people mean

Mescaline containing cacti are available in garden stores, this does not mean they are legal. What makes you think they are legal? Source?

yopo seeds are legal? Again, source?

Current law renders illegal those things containing illegal compounds, though in practice prosecutions are more common in one form than another


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495821 - 05/22/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PoisonCrazy said:
yopo seeds are legal? Again, source?




"Neither Anadenanthera colubrina, Anadenathera peregrina nor any other Anadenanthera species are controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are often sold and grown."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/anadenanthera/anadenanthera_law.shtml


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Mescaline containing cacti are available in garden stores, this does not mean they are legal. What makes you think they are legal? Source?




"San Pedro and the other columnar mescaline-containing cacti are not specifically scheduled, but they contain the controlled substance mescaline. Mescaline is a Schedule I substance in the U.S. Because of their ubiquitous availability through nurseries and major plant vendors across the country, as well as in arboretums and on government property, simple possession of columnar mescaline-containing cacti with no intent to ingest is de facto legal."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law.shtml


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495857 - 05/22/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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FractalDust said:
"San Pedro and the other columnar mescaline-containing cacti are not specifically scheduled, but they contain the controlled substance mescaline. Mescaline is a Schedule I substance in the U.S. Because of their ubiquitous availability through nurseries and major plant vendors across the country, as well as in arboretums and on government property, simple possession of columnar mescaline-containing cacti with no intent to ingest is de facto legal."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law.shtml



EXACTLY. De Facto... they are not ACTUALLY legal. You can still be put in jail for them...


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495864 - 05/22/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yopo are seeds from plants in the genus Anadenanthera and do not just contain bufotenin (4-OH-DMT) which has been scheduled for quite a while (back in 1970), some species also contain 5-MeO-DMT (which was scheduled in January of 2011) and n,n,DMT. The seeds themselves are not illegal to possess or grow, and depending on the species (some species of Anadenanthera do not have active alkaloids) if ground up into snuff could be considered intent to consume and prosecuted accordingly.

Trichocereus pachanoi and Trichocereus peruvianus are ornamental cactus that when prepared for ingestion could then be prosecuted with intent to consume. The Peyote cactus or Lophophora williamsii is the only cactus to be made explicitly illegal to possess in the CSA.

Ayahuasca is the Banisteriopsis caapi vine and contains harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, which are not illegal. The brew called "Ayahuasca" is called this because it is made from the caapi vine which acts as a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI) to potentiate DMT containing plants, usually Mimosa hostilis root bark or Psychotria viridis leaves. (Using Syrian rue to potentiate MHRB is not a traditional Ayahuasca brew.)

As for the truffles themselves, they could be considered containers of schedule 1 compounds (Psilocin and Psilocybin) and likely prosecuted the same as possessing Psilocybin mushrooms.

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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495866 - 05/22/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

PoisonCrazy said:
yopo seeds are legal? Again, source?




"Neither Anadenanthera colubrina, Anadenathera peregrina nor any other Anadenanthera species are controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are often sold and grown."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/anadenanthera/anadenanthera_law.shtml





The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495891 - 05/22/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like you do your research AFTER you post. Doing it before makes you look a lot more intelligent and saves a lot of typing.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495897 - 05/22/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...




My point exactly. You said only one plant on that list is legal, I was just pointing out they're all legal except for the truffles.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495926 - 05/22/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

most sites that sell truffels ship worldwide but i've heard of some people in the states getting theres confinscated by customs


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: explosivekush]
    #14496460 - 05/22/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: maug]
    #14496945 - 05/22/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.




Nah, that'd take all the fun out of pointless discussion.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: maug]
    #14498233 - 05/23/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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maug said:
hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.




that was a list of mine but somebody made a big fuss over it acting like they know what they are talking about.

and for truffles, i guess they could be considered illegal but i have ordered them multiple times with no problems.

if your having troubles with truffles or nervous about it, dont sweat it , just find a new source or something

and that is just a smalllllll list of legal plants that you could order, there are many many many more..

ibogaine, wild dagga, amanita muscaria, calea zacatechichi, ololiuhqui


please, do your research if you are going to post as if you know about something but really dont..


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14499788 - 05/23/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have done all this research before, I remembered the things were illegal and thought the shroomery knew this information, especially if you are jeopardizing your freedom by ordering it. If you want to pick on someone who is just doing their best to help people avoid going to jail, feel free to give me static.

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Quote:

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The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...




My point exactly. You said only one plant on that list is legal, I was just pointing out they're all legal except for the truffles.




There is a difference in a species being illegal specifically and its being illegal because it contains scheduled chemicals. The mere fact the plant is not specifically illegal will not save you from being prosecuted when a test determines it contains an illegal chemical.

If you think ayahuasca brews are legal, why not open up a store and sell it. If you think mescaline cacti are legal for consumption, try the same.

I am really shocked the shroomery does not know these things... the fact you can order something on line does not mean it is legal.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14499803 - 05/23/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yopo are seeds from plants in the genus Anadenanthera and do not just contain bufotenin (4-OH-DMT) which has been scheduled for quite a while (back in 1970), some species also contain 5-MeO-DMT (which was scheduled in January of 2011) and n,n,DMT. The seeds themselves are not illegal to possess or grow, and depending on the species (some species of Anadenanthera do not have active alkaloids) if ground up into snuff could be considered intent to consume and prosecuted accordingly.

Trichocereus pachanoi and Trichocereus peruvianus are ornamental cactus that when prepared for ingestion could then be prosecuted with intent to consume. The Peyote cactus or Lophophora williamsii is the only cactus to be made explicitly illegal to possess in the CSA.

Ayahuasca is the Banisteriopsis caapi vine and contains harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, which are not illegal. The brew called "Ayahuasca" is called this because it is made from the caapi vine which acts as a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI) to potentiate DMT containing plants, usually Mimosa hostilis root bark or Psychotria viridis leaves. (Using Syrian rue to potentiate MHRB is not a traditional Ayahuasca brew.)

As for the truffles themselves, they could be considered containers of schedule 1 compounds (Psilocin and Psilocybin) and likely prosecuted the same as possessing Psilocybin mushrooms.

:themoreyouknow:



So you are basically agreeing with me. I appreciate there are other chemicals in yopo.

If you recognize that the ayahuasca everyone here talks about is the brew, then yes, most of that list is illegal.

Mescaline is controlled, while one may attempt to raise a defense of selective prosecution, this is an affirmative defense. Mescaline may be tolerated but as I said before that does not mean it is legal.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14500180 - 05/23/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh man,
im done arguing with you,
your a waste of energy on the keyboard hahaha


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Ghostwriter]
    #14500278 - 05/23/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Leonurus sibiricus and damiana is pritty god stuff, and it is lagal:)
grow it your self.


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skankinmadhatter 5,748 38 09/23/03 05:14 PM
by theshiftingwalls
* The LEGAL side of PF's Bust
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rosewoodpete 8,723 67 07/03/03 11:49 AM
by Boppity604
* legal, healty, psychadelik or halicinogen/visionary plant?? salazare 1,816 12 10/03/03 09:38 PM
by Sev
* SHrooms legal in the uk ? MuShi_KiNg 3,870 11 04/17/03 04:48 AM
by Jackal
* Legality chrispc 1,013 7 08/17/02 12:07 PM
by chrispc
* Say in the future when everyone wakes up all psycheldelics are legal. I think I would find meaning. Barnaby 147 3 03/08/18 06:18 PM
by Barnaby
* Legal Psilocybin Mushrooms? I think this might be real! BioHazard 11,658 13 12/02/03 05:43 AM
by EvilGir

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