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Invisiblemuistrue
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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495821 - 05/22/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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yopo seeds are legal? Again, source?




"Neither Anadenanthera colubrina, Anadenathera peregrina nor any other Anadenanthera species are controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are often sold and grown."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/anadenanthera/anadenanthera_law.shtml


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Mescaline containing cacti are available in garden stores, this does not mean they are legal. What makes you think they are legal? Source?




"San Pedro and the other columnar mescaline-containing cacti are not specifically scheduled, but they contain the controlled substance mescaline. Mescaline is a Schedule I substance in the U.S. Because of their ubiquitous availability through nurseries and major plant vendors across the country, as well as in arboretums and on government property, simple possession of columnar mescaline-containing cacti with no intent to ingest is de facto legal."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law.shtml


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495857 - 05/22/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"San Pedro and the other columnar mescaline-containing cacti are not specifically scheduled, but they contain the controlled substance mescaline. Mescaline is a Schedule I substance in the U.S. Because of their ubiquitous availability through nurseries and major plant vendors across the country, as well as in arboretums and on government property, simple possession of columnar mescaline-containing cacti with no intent to ingest is de facto legal."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law.shtml



EXACTLY. De Facto... they are not ACTUALLY legal. You can still be put in jail for them...


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495864 - 05/22/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yopo are seeds from plants in the genus Anadenanthera and do not just contain bufotenin (4-OH-DMT) which has been scheduled for quite a while (back in 1970), some species also contain 5-MeO-DMT (which was scheduled in January of 2011) and n,n,DMT. The seeds themselves are not illegal to possess or grow, and depending on the species (some species of Anadenanthera do not have active alkaloids) if ground up into snuff could be considered intent to consume and prosecuted accordingly.

Trichocereus pachanoi and Trichocereus peruvianus are ornamental cactus that when prepared for ingestion could then be prosecuted with intent to consume. The Peyote cactus or Lophophora williamsii is the only cactus to be made explicitly illegal to possess in the CSA.

Ayahuasca is the Banisteriopsis caapi vine and contains harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, which are not illegal. The brew called "Ayahuasca" is called this because it is made from the caapi vine which acts as a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI) to potentiate DMT containing plants, usually Mimosa hostilis root bark or Psychotria viridis leaves. (Using Syrian rue to potentiate MHRB is not a traditional Ayahuasca brew.)

As for the truffles themselves, they could be considered containers of schedule 1 compounds (Psilocin and Psilocybin) and likely prosecuted the same as possessing Psilocybin mushrooms.

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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495866 - 05/22/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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PoisonCrazy said:
yopo seeds are legal? Again, source?




"Neither Anadenanthera colubrina, Anadenathera peregrina nor any other Anadenanthera species are controlled species in the United States. Live plants and seeds are often sold and grown."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/anadenanthera/anadenanthera_law.shtml





The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495891 - 05/22/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like you do your research AFTER you post. Doing it before makes you look a lot more intelligent and saves a lot of typing.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14495897 - 05/22/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...




My point exactly. You said only one plant on that list is legal, I was just pointing out they're all legal except for the truffles.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14495926 - 05/22/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

most sites that sell truffels ship worldwide but i've heard of some people in the states getting theres confinscated by customs


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: explosivekush]
    #14496460 - 05/22/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: maug]
    #14496945 - 05/22/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.




Nah, that'd take all the fun out of pointless discussion.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: maug]
    #14498233 - 05/23/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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maug said:
hey folks. To keep it simple, only talk about what you have personally done and read/know about. Please.




that was a list of mine but somebody made a big fuss over it acting like they know what they are talking about.

and for truffles, i guess they could be considered illegal but i have ordered them multiple times with no problems.

if your having troubles with truffles or nervous about it, dont sweat it , just find a new source or something

and that is just a smalllllll list of legal plants that you could order, there are many many many more..

ibogaine, wild dagga, amanita muscaria, calea zacatechichi, ololiuhqui


please, do your research if you are going to post as if you know about something but really dont..


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: muistrue]
    #14499788 - 05/23/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have done all this research before, I remembered the things were illegal and thought the shroomery knew this information, especially if you are jeopardizing your freedom by ordering it. If you want to pick on someone who is just doing their best to help people avoid going to jail, feel free to give me static.

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The SPECIES are not SPECIFICALLY scheduled, the chemicals within them are scheduled...




My point exactly. You said only one plant on that list is legal, I was just pointing out they're all legal except for the truffles.




There is a difference in a species being illegal specifically and its being illegal because it contains scheduled chemicals. The mere fact the plant is not specifically illegal will not save you from being prosecuted when a test determines it contains an illegal chemical.

If you think ayahuasca brews are legal, why not open up a store and sell it. If you think mescaline cacti are legal for consumption, try the same.

I am really shocked the shroomery does not know these things... the fact you can order something on line does not mean it is legal.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14499803 - 05/23/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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VizualDistorshon said:
Yopo are seeds from plants in the genus Anadenanthera and do not just contain bufotenin (4-OH-DMT) which has been scheduled for quite a while (back in 1970), some species also contain 5-MeO-DMT (which was scheduled in January of 2011) and n,n,DMT. The seeds themselves are not illegal to possess or grow, and depending on the species (some species of Anadenanthera do not have active alkaloids) if ground up into snuff could be considered intent to consume and prosecuted accordingly.

Trichocereus pachanoi and Trichocereus peruvianus are ornamental cactus that when prepared for ingestion could then be prosecuted with intent to consume. The Peyote cactus or Lophophora williamsii is the only cactus to be made explicitly illegal to possess in the CSA.

Ayahuasca is the Banisteriopsis caapi vine and contains harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, which are not illegal. The brew called "Ayahuasca" is called this because it is made from the caapi vine which acts as a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor (MAOI) to potentiate DMT containing plants, usually Mimosa hostilis root bark or Psychotria viridis leaves. (Using Syrian rue to potentiate MHRB is not a traditional Ayahuasca brew.)

As for the truffles themselves, they could be considered containers of schedule 1 compounds (Psilocin and Psilocybin) and likely prosecuted the same as possessing Psilocybin mushrooms.

:themoreyouknow:



So you are basically agreeing with me. I appreciate there are other chemicals in yopo.

If you recognize that the ayahuasca everyone here talks about is the brew, then yes, most of that list is illegal.

Mescaline is controlled, while one may attempt to raise a defense of selective prosecution, this is an affirmative defense. Mescaline may be tolerated but as I said before that does not mean it is legal.


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14500180 - 05/23/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh man,
im done arguing with you,
your a waste of energy on the keyboard hahaha


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Re: Looking for new legal stuff [Re: Ghostwriter]
    #14500278 - 05/23/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Leonurus sibiricus and damiana is pritty god stuff, and it is lagal:)
grow it your self.


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