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Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir.
    #14491389 - 05/21/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, after hours of researching Jesus having been in India, I found out that a certain sect of Islam called Ahmadiyya have a long-held belief that Jesus survived crucifixion and traveled to Kashmir on the Silk Road, and stayed their until he was about 120 years old. He was then buried according to Jewish traditions in Srinigar, Kashmir at a site called Roza Bul. The body is buried pointing towards Jerusalem and there is an image on the tomb of crucified feet.

He is known by the Ahmadiyya as Yuz Asaf:
the name given to a sage entombed at Roza Bal in Srinagar, Kashmir, with the name "Yuz Asaf" being variously interpreted as "Josaphat" by Christians, as the title "Bodhisattva" by Buddhists, and as Kashmiri for "Son of Joseph (Yuz)" (hence Jesus of Nazareth) by others, including Ahmadi Muslims (who, although assigning it to Jesus, assert that it meant "leader of the healed")


I think this has never been mentioned because the Muslims in the area of the tomb have strict views on doing any scientific testing on it and the Christians keep it quiet because it would refute their view that Jesus ascended into heaven.

Unfortunately, there is a large lack of evidence due to these problems.


Here is an excellent article on it.

The articles says some interesting stuff:

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The proposed burial-place of Jesus in Srinagar, Kashmir, is known to the locals as Rozabal, meaning the ‘Honoured Tomb’. It is known as the tomb of this very Yuz Asaf. The word ‘Yuz’ stands for Yuzu (meaning Jesus), and ‘Asaf’ in Hebrew means gatherer, namely, one who was to collect the lost sheep of Israel. It is said that the Prophet Yuz Asaf arrived from Syria about two thousand years ago.




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Jesus did not die on the Cross: he did not go up to heaven, nor should it be supposed that he will ever again come down from heaven to earth; that, rather, he died at the age of 120 years at Srinagar, in Kashmir, and that his tomb is to be found in the Khan Yar Street of that town.




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[...]Jesus did in fact come to India and then, by stages, travelled to Kashmir, and discovered the lost sheep of Israel among the people who professed the Buddhist faith and that these people ultimately accepted him, just as the people of the prophet Jonah accepted Jonah. And this was inevitable, for Jesus had said in so many words that he had been sent to the lost sheep of Israel.’




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Maulawi Abdullah sent a detailed report to the Promised Messiah from Srinagar regarding the tomb.[...]:

‘From the evidence of reliable persons it has been proved that this tomb has been in existence for about 1900 years, and the Muslims hold it in great reverence and respect and frequent it.’


Further adding:


‘The general view is that a venerable messenger is buried in this tomb, who came to Kashmir from another country to preach to the people. They say that he lived some 600 years before our Holy Prophet Muhammad.’




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Modern day opinions of the locals in Srinagar, however, present a very different view of the tomb. Any suggestion that the tomb contains the mortal remains of Jesus Christ is met with fierce hostility and mockery. There has been a hardening of attitudes towards any attempts of research at the tomb.




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‘Near the grave of this prophet of Allah in the right-hand corner there is a stone, which has upon it the footprints of a man. It is said that it is the footsteps of the messenger. Probably this footprint of this prince-prophet remains as a sign.’
“The position of the scars, just behind the toes, do not match each other, but they would align if a single nail was driven through both feet, with the left foot placed on top of the right.”




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The most definitive reference to Yuz Asaf and Jesus Christ being the same person comes in the form of two written inscriptions from a local temple called the Temple of Solomon. The first two lines of the inscription remain today but the last two have been tampered with, rendering them illegible. The four inscriptions were recorded in Tarikh-i-Kashmir by Khwaja Hassan Malik, written in 1420AD. The inscriptions state:

The mason of this pillar is the suppliant Bahishti Zargar, year fifty and four.


Khawaja Rukan, son of Murjan, erected this pillar.


At this time, Yuz Asaf proclaimed his prophethood, year fifty and four.


He is Jesus, Prophet of the Children of Israel.

These inscriptions seem very clear and comprehensive, but there are some questions that remain. How old are the inscriptions? Why were they removed and by whom? Is the year ‘54’ mentioned here representative of 54 AD or 54 A.H, which would be 673 C.E.?

Concerning the year 54, mentioned in the inscriptions cited below, Prof. Fida Hassnain is of the opinion that the dating system used here is the Laukika Era, a system used specifically in Kashmir, which is recorded to have started in 3076BC.

‘During that period, the Laukika Era was exclusively used in Kashmir. As this era started in 3076 BC, the 54th year mentioned in the inscription would come to either 22 BC or 78 AD (since Laukika Year 1 is 3076 BC, 3054 would be 22 BC, and 3154 would be 78 AD.) As it was not possible for Jesus Christ to have travelled to Kashmir in 22 BC, I take the year 78 AD to be the correct date of his arrival






I really recommend reading that article if you want to learn more on this!


So, what do you think? Real or fake?
Is this really the tomb of Jesus?
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned] * 2
    #14491429 - 05/21/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I beleive this is true

he probably traveled there ate some mush and chilled out


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Konyap]
    #14491456 - 05/21/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Konyap]
    #14491471 - 05/21/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

interesting, ty for the article


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14491504 - 05/21/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I mean, it's possible. I have serious doubts that Jesus ever existed at all, though. There seems to be a mountain of evidence that the story was fabricated and revised at various stages, and an absolute absence of evidence that anybody named "Jesus Christ" ever actually existed. Also, Ahmadiyya is regarded as a fringe heresy by most Muslims, for whatever that's worth.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14491514 - 05/21/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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My Shangri-La beneath the summer moon, I will return again...
Like the dust that lufts high in June, when moving through Kashmir.





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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212] * 3
    #14491533 - 05/21/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why would they bury a mexican in india?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14491537 - 05/21/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

he would not have been named jesus christ, he's have been referred to as
jesus, the son of joseph, there is a roman record believed to be referencing
jesus as being seditious, this was entered by Tacitus. romans were pretty
thorough about keeping records, this would have been written nearly 70 years
after the crucifixion


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212]
    #14491550 - 05/21/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

very interesting :etjesus:


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: argg]
    #14491571 - 05/21/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Jesus is man, man buried in india, we are all jesus, makes sense to me.

Jesus is symbol, symbol exists with out borders, so the symbol exist inside and outside of india



With jesus, its not about where, its about when


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14491583 - 05/21/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting....

I kinda wanna see how pissed I can get people by discussing this.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Konyap]
    #14491617 - 05/21/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 2Cents]
    #14491658 - 05/21/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting....

I kinda wanna see how pissed I can get people by discussing this.





so you're trolling and requesting a ban?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14491676 - 05/21/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

cool story, RP


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Salomon]
    #14491692 - 05/21/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I stopped reading at "about 120 years old."

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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14491722 - 05/21/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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2Cents said:
Interesting....

I kinda wanna see how pissed I can get people by discussing this.





so you're trolling and requesting a ban?




I think he is talking about saying this stuff face to face with christians, not trolling people on the internet.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14491725 - 05/21/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I stopped reading at "about 120 years old."

:dumbass:




My great grandma lived to be 110 :shrug:

How do you know certain Genetics would not give you this opportunity?

Not that impossible...

:braindamage:


And its fucking Jesus...


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #14491731 - 05/21/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I stopped reading at "about 120 years old."

:dumbass:





yea jesus was from planet earth, as in a human being.

Hobbits live for about 120 years, maybe Hobbit Jesus was buried in Middle Earth


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491733 - 05/21/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno, seems to me that it'd be pretty hard to survive being crucified if that's what happened to him.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14491757 - 05/21/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I dunno, seems to me that it'd be pretty hard to survive being crucified if that's what happened to him.




It would be possible to survive Crucifixion if you were taken down...

It comes down to that spear thrust into his heart (His side) He could of taken a spear thrust to the opposite side of his chest, but it would make no sense to stab him in his right side to ' make sure he was dead'


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491779 - 05/21/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I suppose so, but I don't think the Romans did that very often, being so harsh and brutal.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491784 - 05/21/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't matter.
He died.
He's finite.
Nothing he ever did will matter.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212]
    #14491814 - 05/21/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Doesn't matter.
He died.
He's finite.
Nothing he ever did will matter.
:psychsplit:




But is that true? What if his teachings are quite important for the human race...As are all words that come from an awakened human...

The Buddha died too, but would you say he does not matter?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491824 - 05/21/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The human race will die, so will the universe.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #14491829 - 05/21/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Also Jesus could of gone to India in his "missing years" and still have died on the cross...


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    #14491839 - 05/21/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The human race will die, so will the universe.




But that doesn't matter...What matters is what we have now, not what doom will come upon us in the future...As the Buddha would say


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212]
    #14491843 - 05/21/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The human race will die, so will the universe.




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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica] * 1
    #14491852 - 05/21/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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28064212 said:
Doesn't matter.
He died.
He's finite.
Nothing he ever did will matter.
:psychsplit:




But is that true? What if his teachings are quite important for the human race...As is all words that come from an awakened human...

The Buddha died too, but would you say he does not matter?



i posted a link earlier talking about the lost years of jesus the bible leaves out, and there is much belief that in those years he went to study in india and tibet as the only university in the world at the time was in india, and that he studied hindu and buddhism among other practices...
here's a video talking some about it


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491878 - 05/21/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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28064212 said:
The human race will die, so will the universe.




But that doesn't matter...What matters is what we have now, not what doom will come upon us in the future...As the Buddha would say




If all there is is the now than nothing he did will matter either. Only the eternal now, which is beyond concepts and ideas.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14491892 - 05/21/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

my roman history teacher said that the romans had no record of jesus, everything about him comes from scripture.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212]
    #14491900 - 05/21/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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28064212 said:
The human race will die, so will the universe.




But that doesn't matter...What matters is what we have now, not what doom will come upon us in the future...As the Buddha would say




If all there is is the now than nothing he did will matter either. Only the eternal now, which is beyond concepts and ideas.




It is beyond language rather...Thus the impotency of talking about the now. The Buddha did not simply awaken in a blink of an eye, and did not spend just a day seeking knowledge...Therefor his journey was important to us. The same thing can be said for 'Jesus'...

While the state of awakening, eternal bliss, which is the kingdom of heaven...has nothing to do with literal knowledge, the paths in between suffering and life is paved with many mistakes and many teachings eh?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Phychotron]
    #14491904 - 05/21/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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my roman history teacher said that the romans had no record of jesus, everything about him comes from scripture.




I think its just that the romans at that time really didn't give a fuck about "Jesus" But im pretty sure there had to be some roman account somewhere of that event...


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491912 - 05/21/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bus "us" is not eternal. All that we are and find important will die. All things must pass.
Eternal isn't forever but without time.
What is important is what transcends that.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Vapor]
    #14491915 - 05/21/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting....

I kinda wanna see how pissed I can get people by discussing this.





so you're trolling and requesting a ban?




I think he is talking about saying this stuff face to face with christians, not trolling people on the internet.





I'll just ban him from life and he'll be stuck on the intarwebz for weeks


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    #14491919 - 05/21/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well considering rome is now the capital of catholicism, what i believe is they saw the effect jesus had on the masses and decided to use it as a way to govern and control the masses and hide many of the truths and tweek them in their favor, and to put the fear of god in people instead of showing them the love


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Rectangle 3D]
    #14491924 - 05/21/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I stopped reading at "about 120 years old."

:dumbass:





yea jesus was from planet earth, as in a human being.

Hobbits live for about 120 years, maybe Hobbit Jesus was buried in Middle Earth





the methods of recording years in primitive civilizations is less than
accurate, there's a group in the hills in tibet or some place that are
claimed to have an average lifespan of about 130 years, it turns out to be
about 90 years because no one knows when they were actually born since
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14491929 - 05/21/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

he said there was nothing


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: misterogerz]
    #14491941 - 05/21/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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well considering rome is now the capital of catholicism, what i believe is they saw the effect jesus had on the masses and decided to use it as a way to govern and control the masses and hide many of the truths and tweek them in their favor, and to put the fear of god in people instead of showing them the love




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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14492144 - 05/22/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Let me quote the Quran:

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[4:158] And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this conjecture into a certainty;




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    #14492155 - 05/22/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit. Tibetan Buddhists have a whole 'gospel' of Jesus visiting them. They called him Saint Issa.

READ IT! It'll make you shit bricks! :wetself:


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14492310 - 05/22/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just wanna post this tune, since it's related. 


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14492626 - 05/22/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also Jesus could of gone to India in his "missing years" and still have died on the cross...



this thread got me thinking, and if he infact died on the cross and was entombed, i dont believe he came back to life or ascended to heaven or whatever christians wanna say since his body came up missing a couple days later, i would think his apostles or whatever, those close to him possibly recovered his body and transported it back to india to give him a proper burial in a place that would be undisturbed and kept untouched and sacred, it makes sense that he was possibly sent west to spread buddhism or some other similar beliefs, romans didnt accept or like it and killed him then latter made him into a white guy in christianity symbolism and used him as a way to control and strike fear into people and getting them to repent and feed the church and governmental system.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14492727 - 05/22/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Let me quote the Quran:

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[4:158] And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this conjecture into a certainty;









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    #14492761 - 05/22/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 28064212]
    #14492801 - 05/22/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The human race will die, so will the universe.




Define die. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. We and the universe will simply change forms at some point.

For me I have no reason to believe one story over another. I have no solid evidence that Jesus died on a cross or somewhere in India. I really don't think it's important, either. If there is a single organizing force or energy that we call God I can't see that all powerful 'thang' doing the 'thangs' that some religions say it does. In fact, I believe that being of an open mind regarding this type of 'thang' is exactly what Jesus meant when he said to knock and the door will be opened or to seek and you shall find. Blindly believing a story with no good reason to do so is hardly seeking.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14492845 - 05/22/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it is stated within the Qur’ān, (not in plain text), that the Prophet ʿĪsá عليه السلام was buried in Kashmir


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    #14492849 - 05/22/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey that's interesting. I was in Shrinagar a couple years ago had I known about it I would definitely had checked it out.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: misterogerz]
    #14493029 - 05/22/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also Jesus could of gone to India in his "missing years" and still have died on the cross...



this thread got me thinking, and if he infact died on the cross and was entombed, i dont believe he came back to life or ascended to heaven or whatever christians wanna say since his body came up missing a couple days later, i would think his apostles or whatever, those close to him possibly recovered his body and transported it back to india to give him a proper burial in a place that would be undisturbed and kept untouched and sacred, it makes sense that he was possibly sent west to spread buddhism or some other similar beliefs, romans didnt accept or like it and killed him then latter made him into a white guy in christianity symbolism and used him as a way to control and strike fear into people and getting them to repent and feed the church and governmental system.





jesus was claimed to have risen from the dead after 3 days, he walked the
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    #14493036 - 05/22/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea, don't you know the story?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14493087 - 05/22/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have never heard of any credible information that supports the existence of an actual historical Jesus Christ. Your sources are not credible at all in my opinion.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto] * 1
    #14493095 - 05/22/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never heard of any credible information that supports the existence of an actual historical Jesus Christ.





maybe that's because you discounted it without looking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: OverStoned]
    #14493111 - 05/22/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sorry but I don't remember being there.:wink:


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493123 - 05/22/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never heard of any credible information that supports the existence of an actual historical Jesus Christ.





maybe that's because you discounted it without looking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus




If you're going to use wikipedia don't tell anyone and just find the citations to legitimate sources. You're smarter than that.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto]
    #14493137 - 05/22/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is a very interesting topic :thumbup:
Maulana Muhammad Ali elaborates on the writings in the Qur’ān about the Prophet ʿĪsá عليه السلام travelling and being buried in Kashmir in his 'transliteration' of the Holy Qur’ān which is one of the most available 'transliterations' in bookstores today. Ahmadiyya's have unfortunatly been persecuted by many Muslim 'sects" thoughout history including shia and sunni alike.

whats interesting about the footprints is that they were also attributed to the Prophet ʿĪbraʿhīm, all Prophets were said to have the same exact shoe size


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto]
    #14493143 - 05/22/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never heard of any credible information that supports the existence of an actual historical Jesus Christ.





maybe that's because you discounted it without looking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus




If you're going to use wikipedia don't tell anyone and just find the citations to legitimate sources. You're smarter than that.





you dont have to believe anything you dont want to but wikipedia is as valid a source as anything else on the web


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14493146 - 05/22/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Jesus is a towel.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Connor4050]
    #14493149 - 05/22/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

theres a book called, "The Muslim Jesus: Sayings and Stories in Islamic Literature", that is really good

http://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Jesus-Sayings-Stories-Literature/dp/0674004779


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493151 - 05/22/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never heard of any credible information that supports the existence of an actual historical Jesus Christ.





maybe that's because you discounted it without looking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus




If you're going to use wikipedia don't tell anyone and just find the citations to legitimate sources. You're smarter than that.





you dont have to believe anything you dont want to but wikipedia is as valid a source as anything else on the web



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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493165 - 05/22/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I trust the databases that I have access to through my school via the internet.


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    #14493168 - 05/22/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess that means you trust your school too?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto]
    #14493171 - 05/22/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

have you used them to look up anything regarding the historicity of jesus?

do they contain research papers?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493195 - 05/22/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First question, no. Second question, yes. My point was that I can find information on the internet more credible than wikipedia.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto]
    #14493206 - 05/22/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen many erroneous research papers and as I stated before, you havent
looked to see if jesus may have been a real person even though there's
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    #14493208 - 05/22/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'll look into it then.


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    #14493222 - 05/22/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14493251 - 05/22/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493311 - 05/22/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I stopped reading at "about 120 years old."

:dumbass:





yea jesus was from planet earth, as in a human being.

Hobbits live for about 120 years, maybe Hobbit Jesus was buried in Middle Earth





the methods of recording years in primitive civilizations is less than
accurate, there's a group in the hills in tibet or some place that are
claimed to have an average lifespan of about 130 years, it turns out to be
about 90 years because no one knows when they were actually born since
birth records are non existent there




I think it is possible for a human to live 130 years :shrug: or around there...


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14493319 - 05/22/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sure there's been a few that have but there is no place where the actual
life expectancy, the average lifespan, is around 130 years, normally it's the
high 80's and early 90's but as we've all seen there's people that have lived
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493472 - 05/22/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.

Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.


Here's my take on Jesus of Nazareth: He was a real person, preached a reformed version of Judaism that angered both the Jews and the Romans, and was probably killed for that.  He was not the son of god, he did not perform miracles, and he certainly didn't resurrect after 3 days.  Shit, it's more logical to believe he's an alien who took human form to preach tolerance and peace.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14493530 - 05/22/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The part about the birth certificate makes sense, easier to estimate, these dudes probably had so many grand children, people figured they broke 130.

Jesus is an archetype that symbolizes aspects of the universe, beginning with human man and into things like the sun and solar system. Earth produced a "Jesus" so that humans could go beyond the unknown (death), could sleep better and thus continue as a race living on earth.

The symbols for Jesus are currently brandished by a particular group of humans (European Christians) that like jesus, promote a hierarchy and don't care much for other types of humans. It would be an insult for their prophet to be buried in india so good luck telling everybody the good news about Kashmir.



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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14493658 - 05/22/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.

Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.





keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant
mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume
that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were
many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age
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    #14493669 - 05/22/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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    #14493676 - 05/22/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The part about the birth certificate makes sense, easier to estimate, these dudes probably had so many grand children, people figured they broke 130.






and there again culture plays a large role, most cultures in the east believe
that when a girl begins menstruating that she's a woman and of the age of
marriage and child birth, typically western cultures have seen that as 13-14
years old, if these girls in eastern cultures as is referenced in the Quran
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Vapor]
    #14493761 - 05/22/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting....

I kinda wanna see how pissed I can get people by discussing this.





so you're trolling and requesting a ban?




I think he is talking about saying this stuff face to face with christians, not trolling people on the internet.



That's correct. I can only imagine how enraged some of the die hard Christians I know would get.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: 2Cents]
    #14494625 - 05/22/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry to burst this circle jerk, but Jesus never went to India :nonono: :facepalm:


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    #14494635 - 05/22/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Must be awesome to be the only one on earth that spent their entire with Jeezus and can definitively say what he did or did not do.

I bet you know the first ape who walked upright and said :feelsgoodman: too. What was his name?


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Sadhguru]
    #14494637 - 05/22/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

do you have evidence of that? other than the fact that joseph smith says he
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    #14497784 - 05/23/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm sorry to burst this circle jerk, but Jesus never went to India :nonono: :facepalm:



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Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.

Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.





keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant
mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume
that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were
many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age
after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne
leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II




So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?

mkay.


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14497834 - 05/23/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?

mkay.



Genetics man. Even the son of God can't mess with that shit :thumbup:


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14497844 - 05/23/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.

Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.





keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant
mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume
that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were
many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age
after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne
leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II




So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?

mkay.




does money keep you alive longer than everyone else? would it have done so
at a time in which a heart transplant was completely unfathomable? as I've
seen it, money allows you to lead a more decadent lifestyle which as we
know would lead to an earlier death, for instance in the 70s as opposed to
the 80s or 90s


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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14497851 - 05/23/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.

Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.





keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant
mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume
that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were
many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age
after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne
leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II




So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?

mkay.




does money keep you alive longer than everyone else? would it have done so
at a time in which a heart transplant was completely unfathomable? as I've
seen it, money allows you to lead a more decadent lifestyle which as we
know would lead to an earlier death, for instance in the 70s as opposed to
the 80s or 90s




While true, I just can't see how a man 2,000 years ago could outlive anyone in our modern world.


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    #14497921 - 05/23/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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While true, I just can't see how a man 2,000 years ago could outlive anyone in our modern world.



You'd be surprised. As long as a balanced diet (and sufficient food) could be obtained, there's no reason why people 2000 years ago couldn't be as old as today, especially if they didn't live in a crowded city with bad sanitation. If you look at the huge improvements in general health and life expectancy in the Western world over the past 200 years, then those are for a large part attributable to correcting issues that weren't there (or less widespread) 2000 years ago. Examples are bad sanitation in large cities, bad air quality, and reduction of bad habits such as smoking or bad dietary habits (not completely solved even today...). Certainly, the prevention and treatment of common diseases is much better these days, but not everyone contracts pneumonia or pox.


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    #14497945 - 05/23/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #14497953 - 05/23/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a point to ponder, in today's modern age we have processed fatty foods with
chemicals and preservatives, more people with habits like smoking, etc... and
we of course have modern medicine which prolongs our lifespans artificially,
if we took the doctards out of the equation would modern man live longer than
man 2000 years ago where smoking was very uncommon as were most vices, where
foods were more often cooked fresh every day from things grown by the family
without the use of pesticides and chemical treatments to stimulate growth


no, on average man didnt live live longer because we didnt understand how
diseases worked, we hadnt developed cures/treatments for many of the
things we have today, if you'd gotten penumonia back then you probably
have a 30% chance of survival instead of today's 95%. small pox, TB, a
host of other ailments that we've all but eradicated in the last 200 years
because we've gained  a better understanding but let's look at the facts,
genetics play a large role in the life of a person, diet and exercise play
another major role, if we eliminate the disease, war and other outside
variables who would you say lived the healthier lifestyle, which era would
have lived longer


it's more than probable that people lived longer then than we're led to
believe but as I mentioned, they're averaging the lifespan not on the
individuals that managed to live past 40 but on the whole of the
population, thus the death from outside influences affect us, since the
majority of men today dont go to war every 10-12 years, since infant
mortality if far lower and since we now have modern medicine to keep us
alive long bast what our normal expiration date would be via drugs,
treatments and surgeries, we live as the human race longer today but to
say there's no way a person then would live longer than a person today is
absolutely ludicrous, to base it on something like wealth is even dumber

in my family, without the aid of doctards people live into their mid 90s
to early 100s, my great aunt lived to be 103, she was still alert and
active, drank, smoked and raised her own food, worked in her garden and in
the winter her pipes would freeze and she'd have to draw water from the
well and use an outhouse, her husband lived to 99 and did all the same
things, her sister lived to 94, dipped snuff, ate fatty foods, etc... none
of them went to doctors because genetics allowed for their long life, they
lived primitively almost as they would have 2000 years ago


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    #14497954 - 05/23/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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    #14498224 - 05/23/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All good points, it's definitely plausible for someone to have lived to 120, but extremely unlikely.  Especially for someone who travels and comes in contact with thousands of people.


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    #14498706 - 05/23/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont believe he'd have lived to 120, as I said, that kind of longevity is
usually because of a lack of birth record or what have you, 113-116 seems to
be about the maximum, I can believe that the oldest people back then were
maybe in their late 80s or 90s


edit... after checking, the oldest ever verified was 122yrs


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    #14498976 - 05/23/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this reminds me of a time in 6th grade when some black girl tried telling me her grandma was 160 years old, and used to be a slave.  Despite showing her the guiness book she still insisted her grandma was older.

point: people will believe anything on faith.


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    #14499496 - 05/23/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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this reminds me of a time in 6th grade when some black girl tried telling me her grandma was 160 years old, and used to be a slave.  Despite showing her the guiness book she still insisted her grandma was older.

point: people will believe anything on faith.




Sorta like your unshakable faith in the Guinness Book of World Records to be totally accurate and exhaustive? :facepalm:


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    #14499655 - 05/23/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

some kid in my class has a polish grandpa thats 110

and they say polish people are a bunch a dumb fucks!


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    #14499667 - 05/23/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder how long we'll be able to live once doctors can grow replacement organs for us.  The big hurdle after that would be replacing the brain, which will probably require you to upload your consciousness onto a hard drive of sorts.

Imagine being 200 and looking 20.  :feelsweirdman:


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    #14499806 - 05/23/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Imagine being 200 and looking 20. 





I'm 43 and have the body of an 18 year old, I'll have to bury it soon because it's starting to stink a little


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    #14501435 - 05/23/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no i was a pretty smart kid and already knew that was too old for humans...


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