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The Ecstatic
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14497819 - 05/23/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.
Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.
keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II
So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?
mkay.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#14497834 - 05/23/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?
mkay.
Genetics man. Even the son of God can't mess with that shit
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#14497844 - 05/23/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.
Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.
keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II
So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?
mkay.
does money keep you alive longer than everyone else? would it have done so at a time in which a heart transplant was completely unfathomable? as I've seen it, money allows you to lead a more decadent lifestyle which as we know would lead to an earlier death, for instance in the 70s as opposed to the 80s or 90s
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14497851 - 05/23/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah it's possibly today, 2000 years later, to possibly live to 120.
Not in the ancient Middle East, where the life expectancy was closer to 40.
keep in mind that this life expectancy doesnt account for higher infant mortality rates, deaths by wars or other means and just leads you to assume that the average Shimon died at the age of 40, in all actuality there were many that lived past that time in into their 80s. King David died of old age after having ruled for 40 years, he was in his 30s when he took the throne leaving him in his 70s as was King Nebuchadnezzar II
So a poor Jewish carpenter lived twice as long as the wealthiest men in the continent?
mkay.
does money keep you alive longer than everyone else? would it have done so at a time in which a heart transplant was completely unfathomable? as I've seen it, money allows you to lead a more decadent lifestyle which as we know would lead to an earlier death, for instance in the 70s as opposed to the 80s or 90s
While true, I just can't see how a man 2,000 years ago could outlive anyone in our modern world.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#14497921 - 05/23/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: While true, I just can't see how a man 2,000 years ago could outlive anyone in our modern world.
You'd be surprised. As long as a balanced diet (and sufficient food) could be obtained, there's no reason why people 2000 years ago couldn't be as old as today, especially if they didn't live in a crowded city with bad sanitation. If you look at the huge improvements in general health and life expectancy in the Western world over the past 200 years, then those are for a large part attributable to correcting issues that weren't there (or less widespread) 2000 years ago. Examples are bad sanitation in large cities, bad air quality, and reduction of bad habits such as smoking or bad dietary habits (not completely solved even today...). Certainly, the prevention and treatment of common diseases is much better these days, but not everyone contracts pneumonia or pox.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14497945 - 05/23/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#14497953 - 05/23/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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a point to ponder, in today's modern age we have processed fatty foods with chemicals and preservatives, more people with habits like smoking, etc... and we of course have modern medicine which prolongs our lifespans artificially, if we took the doctards out of the equation would modern man live longer than man 2000 years ago where smoking was very uncommon as were most vices, where foods were more often cooked fresh every day from things grown by the family without the use of pesticides and chemical treatments to stimulate growth
no, on average man didnt live live longer because we didnt understand how diseases worked, we hadnt developed cures/treatments for many of the things we have today, if you'd gotten penumonia back then you probably have a 30% chance of survival instead of today's 95%. small pox, TB, a host of other ailments that we've all but eradicated in the last 200 years because we've gained a better understanding but let's look at the facts, genetics play a large role in the life of a person, diet and exercise play another major role, if we eliminate the disease, war and other outside variables who would you say lived the healthier lifestyle, which era would have lived longer
it's more than probable that people lived longer then than we're led to believe but as I mentioned, they're averaging the lifespan not on the individuals that managed to live past 40 but on the whole of the population, thus the death from outside influences affect us, since the majority of men today dont go to war every 10-12 years, since infant mortality if far lower and since we now have modern medicine to keep us alive long bast what our normal expiration date would be via drugs, treatments and surgeries, we live as the human race longer today but to say there's no way a person then would live longer than a person today is absolutely ludicrous, to base it on something like wealth is even dumber
in my family, without the aid of doctards people live into their mid 90s to early 100s, my great aunt lived to be 103, she was still alert and active, drank, smoked and raised her own food, worked in her garden and in the winter her pipes would freeze and she'd have to draw water from the well and use an outhouse, her husband lived to 99 and did all the same things, her sister lived to 94, dipped snuff, ate fatty foods, etc... none of them went to doctors because genetics allowed for their long life, they lived primitively almost as they would have 2000 years ago
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: robbyberto]
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14498224 - 05/23/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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All good points, it's definitely plausible for someone to have lived to 120, but extremely unlikely. Especially for someone who travels and comes in contact with thousands of people.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#14498706 - 05/23/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont believe he'd have lived to 120, as I said, that kind of longevity is usually because of a lack of birth record or what have you, 113-116 seems to be about the maximum, I can believe that the oldest people back then were maybe in their late 80s or 90s
edit... after checking, the oldest ever verified was 122yrs
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14498976 - 05/23/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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this reminds me of a time in 6th grade when some black girl tried telling me her grandma was 160 years old, and used to be a slave. Despite showing her the guiness book she still insisted her grandma was older.
point: people will believe anything on faith.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Phychotron]
#14499496 - 05/23/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Phychotron said: this reminds me of a time in 6th grade when some black girl tried telling me her grandma was 160 years old, and used to be a slave. Despite showing her the guiness book she still insisted her grandma was older.
point: people will believe anything on faith.
Sorta like your unshakable faith in the Guinness Book of World Records to be totally accurate and exhaustive?
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some kid in my class has a polish grandpa thats 110
and they say polish people are a bunch a dumb fucks!
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: Konyap]
#14499667 - 05/23/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder how long we'll be able to live once doctors can grow replacement organs for us. The big hurdle after that would be replacing the brain, which will probably require you to upload your consciousness onto a hard drive of sorts.
Imagine being 200 and looking 20.
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Re: Jesus Is Buried in Kashmir. [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#14499806 - 05/23/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Imagine being 200 and looking 20.
I'm 43 and have the body of an 18 year old, I'll have to bury it soon because it's starting to stink a little
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no i was a pretty smart kid and already knew that was too old for humans...
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