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Do you consider horse racing wrong?
    #14490906 - 05/21/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Explain what you think about it.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490928 - 05/21/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's pretty fucked IMO.
I just see it as another mild form of animal abuse, but its not exactly dog fighting.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490930 - 05/21/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I nominate this for the dumb post of the year.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: dshow]
    #14490934 - 05/21/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's not immoral. Kinda dumb, IMO.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14490945 - 05/21/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hmmm.

Are the horses well treated? If so, I got no problem with it. Horses love to run.

Its more the anorexic jockeys I'm worried about


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490947 - 05/21/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why would it be wrong? :undecided:


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14490948 - 05/21/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i mean....no it's not wrong. those horses get treated pretty well...and they're worth millions sometimes :eek:


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490949 - 05/21/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Being totally pampered and running around a track a few times a year seems OK to me.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Patlal]
    #14490950 - 05/21/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
hmmm.

Are the horses well treated? If so, I got no problem with it. Horses love to run.

Its more the anorexic jockeys I'm worried about



Well in the big race today it took around eleven people to put a horse in the gate. I'd be surprised if every horse enjoys this.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Patlal]
    #14490955 - 05/21/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's a great job for a very few people, like any other sport. Jockeys pay a price the way football players do.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490957 - 05/21/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SprewellSleeve said: I'd be surprised if every horse enjoys this.




The winners do. And they get to breed.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: robbyberto]
    #14490968 - 05/21/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The horses in horse racing exist only for horse racing. If it didn't exist, the horses bread, wouldn't have been.

And when they're retired they sit around all day eating and fucking to make fast babies. (unless they become glue)


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490972 - 05/21/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not necessarily, I'd hope that any race horse worth anything would have a luxurious life and horses certainly are not the only animal used to serve  human needs, even if it is only entertainment. 

I guess thats the thing though, the owners with the most money can take care of their animals properly while other people without money or the knowledge of how to accommodate and train horses may run into problems.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14490975 - 05/21/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Horse racing is not wrong. It's just another sport.
Anything that moves, somebody will race it. Hot air baloons, planes, lawnmowers, a couch with wheels on it, whatever.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14490977 - 05/21/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Any horse that is worther several hundred thousand dollars or more is pampered as fuck.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: dshow]
    #14490995 - 05/21/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Any horse that is worther several hundred thousand dollars or more is pampered as fuck.




I'm sure they are well taken care of if the horse wins.
If its a looser it's probably not pampered.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Poid]
    #14491004 - 05/21/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know much about it my reaction was more instinct, but I am sure they would be much happier with the mother tribe somewhere in the wild. 

This is coming from PETA mind you, but still worth the read:

http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-in-Entertainment/the-horseracing-industry-drugs-deception-and-death.aspx


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14491010 - 05/21/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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lil_demented said:
If its a looser it's probably not pampered.


But it's not neglected/treated like shit, either.



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I don't know much about it my reaction was more instinct, but I am sure they would be much happier with the mother tribe somewhere in the wild.


Why do you say that? Do you think all domesticated horses would be happier living in the wild?
 

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This is coming from PETA mind you, but still worth the read:


I'm not sure if anything from PETA is worth reading. :lol:


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14491033 - 05/21/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think it is better to relax on this issue and concentrate on more serious problems.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Epigallo]
    #14491046 - 05/21/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bradley said:
I think it is better to relax on this issue and concentrate on more serious problems.




I agree, have you guys heard of the new virus plauging and killing our young
people? It's a terible new fad called planking

:aweman: When will the chaos end?


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: lil_demented]
    #14491057 - 05/21/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Planking - the new wanking?


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14491063 - 05/21/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

mah plank hand is strong

*edit* I love planking. It's so damn fun to make fun of.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: lil_demented]
    #14491066 - 05/21/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh my! he looked awfully aerodynamic...does this virus cause plank racing?


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Poid]
    #14491069 - 05/21/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know much about it my reaction was more instinct, but I am sure they would be much happier with the mother tribe somewhere in the wild.


Why do you say that? Do you think all domesticated horses would be happier living in the wild?




Big time racing horses have the added stress of performance and risk of injuries is much greater.  Not to mention the steroids/anti-inflammatory meds given to enhance strength and mask pain.  Not really comparable to the average farm or riding horse

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This is coming from PETA mind you, but still worth the read:


I'm not sure if anything from PETA is worth reading. :lol:




Meet Your Meat was well worth the watch.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14491077 - 05/21/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SprewellSleeve said:
Explain what you think about it.





My mom said they used to eat horses around these parts way back in the day.

I have been curious ever since...


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14491089 - 05/21/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
I don't know much about it my reaction was more instinct, but I am sure they would be much happier with the mother tribe somewhere in the wild.


Why do you say that? Do you think all domesticated horses would be happier living in the wild?




Big time racing horses have the added stress of performance and risk of injuries is much greater. Not to mention the steroids/anti-inflammatory meds given to enhance strength and mask pain.  Not really comparable to the average farm or riding horse


Yeah, I guess you're right..after reading this, I'm pretty convinced that horse racing may be at least a little bit unethical:

Horse racing
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There are many dangers in horse racing for both horse and jockey: a horse can stumble and fall, or fall when jumping an obstacle, exposing both jockey and horse to the danger of being trampled and injured.

Anna Waller, a member of the Department of Emergency Medicine at the University of North Carolina, co-authored a four-year-long study of jockey injuries and stated to the New York Times that "For every 1,000 jockeys you have riding [for one year], over 600 will have medically treated injuries." She added that almost 20% of these were serious head or neck injuries. The study reported 6,545 injuries during the years 1993–1996. More than 100 jockeys were killed in the US between 1950 and 1987.

Horses also face dangers in racing. 1.5 horses die out of every 1000 starts in the US. The U.S. Jockey Club in New York estimates that about 600 horses died at racetracks in 2006. The Jockey Club in Hong Kong reported a far lower figure of .58 horses per 1000 starts. There is speculation that drugs used in horse racing in the US which are banned elsewhere are responsible for the higher death rate in the US.




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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Poid]
    #14491125 - 05/21/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I mean it is what it is I'm sure most people take great care of their investment, I just know if I was a horse I would rather be hanging in the fields smoking the sensi with my friends as opposed to being forced to race.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14491148 - 05/21/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"it;s fun to get drunk and bet money on animals running in circles whether they be dogs or horses"

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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14491345 - 05/21/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SprewellSleeve said:
Explain what you think about it.




My wife asks, do you think birds like flying?

My wife grew up around the race track. Her family races horses. Sure there are some people that do wrong to some horses but in general the ones that truly love the sport, they treat their horses like family. Trainers live with those horses.

I actually just got back from playing, cleaning and training our horses. One is a Spanish Mustang and the other is the son of a hall of fame quarter horse. Yes his dad has a statue, and now he is going to be trail horse. As long as no one blows a bugel while I am riding him I will be fine. But if someone does that horse is going to launch 20 feet. And he will love it.

They are treated well.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14491363 - 05/21/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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SprewellSleeve said:

Well in the big race today it took around eleven people to put a horse in the gate. I'd be surprised if every horse enjoys this.




They do they are just high strung. The whole thing is alphamale syndrome. They want to be the the first and they strive to be the fastest.

You should see them behind the track. They hear that starting gate and they want to run. Getting them out there is something that is done safely but damn, there is a lot of weight behind a race horse.  They want to run and that is what they do.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14491436 - 05/21/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know much about it my reaction was more instinct, but I am sure they would be much happier with the mother tribe somewhere in the wild.




There are really no wild areas....
Wild horses managed by the BLM in herds are rounded up and auctioned off.
There are pribvate ranches that let them roam free but that takes money.
Land is owned...

Look into the wild mustangs. Those are the only ones out there in the states.
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Bureau of Land Management (BLM) officials announced on June 30 they are considering euthanizing wild horses to control herd populations.
http://www.horsechannel.com/horse-news/2008/07/02/blm-mustang-euthanasia.aspx





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The earth is our mother. She should not be disturbed by hoe or plough. We want only to subsist on what she freely gives us. Our fathers gave us many laws, which they had learned from their fathers. These laws were good. I have carried a heavy load on my back ever since I was a boy. I realized then that we could not hold our own with the white men. We were like deer. They were like grizzly bears. We had small country. Their country was large. We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit Chief made them. They were not, and would change the rivers and mountains if they did not suit them.

Our fathers gave us many laws, which they had learned from their fathers. These laws were good. They told us to treat all people as they treated us; that we should never be the first to break a bargain; that is was a disgrace to tell a lie; that we should speak only the truth; that it was a shame for one man to take another his wife or his property without paying for it.

We were contented to let things remain as the Great Spirit made them.

Suppose a white man should come to me and say, Joseph, I like your horses. I want to buy them. I say to him, No, my horses suit me; I will not sell them. Then he goes to my neighbor and says, Pay me money, and I will sell you Joseph's horses.

The white man returns to me and says, Joseph, I have bought your horses and you must let me have them. If we sold our lands to the government, this is the way they bought them.

I am not a child, I think for myself. No man can think for me.

If you tie a horse to a stake, do you expect him to grow fat? If you pen an Indian up on a small spot of earth, and compel him to stay there, he will not be contented, nor will he grow and prosper.

The earth and myself are of one mind.

We were taught to believe that the Great Spirit sees and hears everything, and that he never forgets, that hereafter he will give every man a spirit home according to his deserts; If he has been a good man, he will have a good home; if he has been a bad man, he will have a bad home.

This I believe, and all my people believe the same.

Good words do not last long unless they amount to something. Words do not pay for my dead people. They do not pay for my country, now overrun by white men. They do not protect my father's grave. They do not pay for all my horses and cattle.

Good words cannot give me back my children. Good words will not give my people good health and stop them from dying. Good words will not get my people a home where they can live in peace and take care of themselves.

I am tired of talk that comes to nothing It makes my heart sick when I remember all the good words and all the broken promises. There has been too much talking by men who had no right to talk.

It does not require many words to speak the truth.

We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about God, as the Catholics and Protestants do. We do not want that. We may quarrel with men about things on earth, but we never quarrel about the Great Spirit.

I believe much trouble and blood would be saved if we opened our hearts more. I will tell you in my way how the Indian sees things. The white man has more words to tell you how they look to him, but is does not require many words to seek the truth.

Too many misinterpretations have been made... too many misunderstandings...

The Great Spirit Chief who rules above all will smile upon this land... and this time the Indian race is waiting and praying.

If the white man wants to live in peace with the Indian...we can live in peace. There need be no trouble. Treat all men alike.... give them all the same law. Give them all an even chance to live and grow. You might as well expect the rivers to run backward as that any man who is born a free man should be contented when penned up and denied liberty to go where he pleases. We only ask an even chance to live as other men live. We ask to be recognized as men. Let me be a free man...free to travel... free to stop...free to work...free to choose my own teachers...free to follow the religion of my Fathers...free to think and talk and act for myself."

Perhaps you think the Creator sent you here
to dispose of us as you see fit.
If I thought you were sent by the Creator,
I might be induced to think you had a right to dispose of me.
Do not misunderstand me, but understand fully
with reference to my affection for the land.
I never said the land was mine to do with as I choose.
The one who has a right to dispose of it is the one who has created it.
I claim a right to live on my land
and accord you the privilege to return to yours.
Brother, we have listened to your talk coming from the father in Washington,
and my people have called upon me to reply to you.
And in the winds which pass through these aged pines
we hear the moaning of their departed ghosts.
And if the voices of our people could have been heard,
that act would never have been done.
But alas, though they stood around,
they could neither be seen nor heard.
Their tears fell like drops of rain.
I hear my voice in the depths of the forest,
but no answering voice comes back to me.
All is silent around me.
My words must therfore be few. I can say no more.
He is silent, for he has nothing to answer when the sun goes down.




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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: 4runner]
    #14491492 - 05/21/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I realized after posting that was not the brightest thing I ever said.  I let it stand because I thought there were still some out there but I figured it isn't what it used to be. I guess there isn't enough room for them anymore ever since the Bush administration authorized gas wells on BLM land...

http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html/view_online.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwilderness.org%2Ffiles%2Fenergy-development-and-public-lands-CBB-09.pdf

...Or maybe people don't like them on their property?

Enjoyed reading those quotes as well.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14491546 - 05/21/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've said dumber.

I will not blame Bush 1 or 2.

It's the whole system.

Glad you enjoyed the quotes. Chief Joseph helped what at least is th elast remaining "wild" mustangs.Good stuff.

Oh and horses are just big dogs if you ever get around them. Lovely big creatures that listen and respond. It's like a land dolphin.


I was wrong.. Joseph was just inspiration, others made the Mustang a protected breed. I am pretty hammered .... I diserve a break.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: 4runner]
    #14491603 - 05/21/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's ok as wrong as the horses aren't abused.


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    #14491614 - 05/21/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's ok as wrlong as the horses aren't abused.




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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: 4runner]
    #14491619 - 05/21/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's ok as wrlong as the horses aren't abused.




QFT.



lol typo


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14492014 - 05/21/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I enjoyed that anunnakian.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: 4runner]
    #14494373 - 05/22/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

is the animal shelter wrong?

is putting your dog in a kennel all day while ur working, wrong?


is eating beef wrong?



IMO horse racing isn't bad, because horses love to run. They're at least healthy and fit, given attention, and well taken care of ....
   
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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: LewDoja]
    #14495529 - 05/22/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I love it.  Shows the true strength and beauty of a strong horse IMO


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14495572 - 05/22/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think its wrong, and whats worse is that theres gambling involved :shrug:


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14495632 - 05/22/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The only problem I have with it is the fact that a horse is turned into dog food if it injures itself.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14498669 - 05/23/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you consider horse racing wrong?




Not if you cook the losers.


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Re: Do you consider horse racing wrong? [Re: WunderlandSpice]
    #14498798 - 05/23/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I love it.  Shows the true strength and beauty of a strong horse IMO




.. I won't lie, this creeped me out.

I don't really think about horse racing one way or another. Never gave it a thought..


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