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Is this not racial profiling?
#14489430 - 05/21/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im trying to sign up for this school which has a late registration today only. But i cant make an account and no one works today. Quite fucking ridiculous/stupid.
But i came across this...
http://www.roanestate.edu/?6601-New-Federal-Guidelines-for-Collecting-and-Reporting-Race-and-Ethnicity
It reminds me of affirmative action. Political correctness... Where people have taken the race card soooo far that its now the opposite.
A list of races.. wow. Diverse? is like they have to state that or something??
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: dshow]
#14489473 - 05/21/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not exactly they just want better statistics on who's going to school where, I doubt they will discriminate because of this.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: dshow]
#14489475 - 05/21/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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what is that? are they saying everyone other than " Latinos from SA " don't have an ethnicity?
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Run]
#14489694 - 05/21/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I confused as to what how you find this to be "racial profiling". Do you actually understand what racial profiling is?
These are just guidelines for collecting demographic info on students and faculty. The forms allow people to self identify and it's totally optional. I never supply the info though because I don't want my race being an issue on any form I happen to fill out, even though they're not supposed to use it that way...
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: I confused as to what how you find this to be "racial profiling". Do you actually understand what racial profiling is?
These are just guidelines for collecting demographic info on students and faculty. The forms allow people to self identify and it's totally optional. I never supply the info though because I don't want my race being an issue on any form I happen to fill out, even though they're not supposed to use it that way...
thats kinda what im saying. Why is race even on here? for numbers? come on now.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: dshow]
#14489795 - 05/21/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They probably want to finally figure out if race has a direct relation to intelligence. Every hardcore racists says it does but there is no hard evidence.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: lil_demented]
#14489815 - 05/21/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmmm ok. I just cant stand them trying so fucking hard for what? idk.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: lil_demented]
#14490057 - 05/21/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lil_demented said: They probably want to finally figure out if race has a direct relation to intelligence. Every hardcore racists says it does but there is no hard evidence.
then explain why blacks do worse on standardized testing leading many of the black community leaders to speak out and claim that these tests are racist, explain why asians do better than whites on these tests, explain why James Watson says he shows a genetic link between race and intelligence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14490090 - 05/21/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lil_demented said: They probably want to finally figure out if race has a direct relation to intelligence. Every hardcore racists says it does but there is no hard evidence.
then explain why blacks do worse on standardized testing leading many of the black community leaders to speak out and claim that these tests are racist, explain why asians do better than whites on these tests, explain why James Watson says he shows a genetic link between race and intelligence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14490107 - 05/21/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner you just blew my mind. With reading that, is there any more tests/sources??
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: dshow] 1
#14490121 - 05/21/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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my belief is that it really has nothing to do with the race vs. intelligence but more to do with upbringing, discipline, focus and determination
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14490303 - 05/21/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You forgot cultural values, which I don't consider the same as race- but some may align the two.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14490313 - 05/21/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see the cultural values as part of upbringing
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14490335 - 05/21/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: my belief is that it really has nothing to do with the race vs. intelligence but more to do with upbringing, discipline, focus and determination
I believe this too. They key with kids school performance/ability has a lot to do with culture/upbringing. In Asian homes, yu see the mother constantly teaching/interacting with the children to teach them, from a very early age.
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: starfire_xes]
#14490490 - 05/21/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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my daughter is in kindergarten, her teachers constantly tell me she's one of the smartest pupils they've ever taught, they had her take a placement test which ranks her with the 3rd graders in the terms of general knowledge, math, reading and creativity, for first grade she'll be placed in a gifted program
why is she so smart, because I teach her just like those asian mothers teach their kids, I do the same with my son but he often refuses to apply himself
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: dshow]
#14490495 - 05/21/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dshow said:
http://www.roanestate.edu/?6601-New-Federal-Guidelines-for-Collecting-and-Reporting-Race-and-Ethnicity
It says:
"Previously, reporting race and ethnicity only allowed individuals to be identified in one racial category. The new guidelines allow individuals to select more than one race and/or ethnicity."
Ways the bug deal?
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: my daughter is in kindergarten, her teachers constantly tell me she's one of the smartest pupils they've ever taught, they had her take a placement test which ranks her with the 3rd graders in the terms of general knowledge, math, reading and creativity, for first grade she'll be placed in a gifted program
why is she so smart, because I teach her just like those asian mothers teach their kids, I do the same with my son but he often refuses to apply himself
  
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Beanhead]
#14490509 - 05/21/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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by the time she's 8 I'll have her rebuilding engines
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Re: Is this not racial profiling? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14490578 - 05/21/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lil_demented said: They probably want to finally figure out if race has a direct relation to intelligence. Every hardcore racists says it does but there is no hard evidence.
then explain why blacks do worse on standardized testing leading many of the black community leaders to speak out and claim that these tests are racist, explain why asians do better than whites on these tests, explain why James Watson says he shows a genetic link between race and intelligence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
Actually family income correlates really strongly with school performance and standardized test performance. So basically if your family can afford better education you'll do better on the tests. If your family is broke you won't be able to live in a neighborhood that has well funded schools, you won't be able to get a tutor, etc etc.
The "racial" differences in standardized testing and academic performance have more to do with Socio-Economic Status than anything else. But in America our class system is so racialized that it's difficult to tease those factors apart.
Not to mention that the construction of the tests is SOO problematic! We should really start off asking the question of "What to these tests actually TEST for?" rather than just assuming that they are effective indicators of whatever they CLAIM to test.
SAT scores don't really correlate to good performance in college. So it's becoming more and more obvious that the tests are pretty useless. Yet the keep getting shoved through in public policy because education is a political football...
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: Actually family income correlates really strongly with school performance and standardized test performance. So basically if your family can afford better education you'll do better on the tests. If your family is broke you won't be able to live in a neighborhood that has well funded schools, you won't be able to get a tutor, etc etc.
that's a load of shit, if a student applies himself in school he'll do well, makes no difference if they're tutored by outside sources or go to the best schools money can buy, throughout school I made poor grades but never made less than 90% on any test I took, I cam from one of the poor families you describe, the issue is that I refused to turn in home work whether I did it or not. and while you may not be aware of it, many poor kids go to those same well funded schools because the school isnt built for the neighborhood, it's built for the region within a county which often incorporates some of the lower income neighborhoods, so now, if those poor kids are doing poorly in the well funded schools then what becomes the excuse
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The "racial" differences in standardized testing and academic performance have more to do with Socio-Economic Status than anything else. But in America our class system is so racialized that it's difficult to tease those factors apart.
race baiters make it racial, are you arare that there's more poor whites in the US than poor blacks, nearly 5 times more poor whites, why do the poor whites do better than poor blacks?
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Not to mention that the construction of the tests is SOO problematic! We should really start off asking the question of "What to these tests actually TEST for?" rather than just assuming that they are effective indicators of whatever they CLAIM to test.
I've taken these tests, I've reviewed the tests my kids take, I've got no clue what the hell you're talking about, they review things that you'd learn in school, some go a step beyond and test reasoning skills, by no means is it problematic unless you're one of those kids that just dont handle tests well
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