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    #14488446 - 05/21/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Easy Felt Tek
This Tek was inspired by
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What is Easy Felt?

  • Eazy Felt is a stiff/rigid synthetic material.

  • Cheap and Easy alternative to *SFD's and Polyfill
    *Synthetic Filter Disks

  • same material as polyfill only "ironed" out into a mat.

  • * autoclavable melting point of 254°c (490°f)

    * PC temps at 15 psi (approx. 107 kPa) relative to sea level
    at atmospheric pressure  are 122 °C(252 °F) in short...your good to go.





What can I use Easy Felt for?

Anything you use SFD's for and more.
  • Jar Lids

  • Mono Tub's (Tek coming soon!)

  • Spawn Bags


Jar Lids

Can be used for:
  • PF Jars Cakes

  • Spawn Jars

  • Petri Jars

  • Printing Jars


PF Jars

RR Style (one of them)

Jar>Lid>SFD>Ring



Using the lid configuration above you would drill 4-5 holes
in the lid for GE and inoculation points,
Just as you would with a standard PF jars with a vermiculite barrier.



meaning there isn't a need to inoculate through the Filter material.
just remove the ring and filter, inoculate and replace filter and ring.
There are many ways to do this that is just one way

Spawn Jars

Follow n00bie's Lid Tek and replace the use of SFD's, with Easy Disks thats what I did.

Another awesome Lid Tek is TL's How I Do All of My Lids



My lids are like this:

  • 1/2" Forstner bit SHIP/Inoc point

  • 3/8" Forstner bit GE/Easy Disk

  • Drill holes in the lid while
    it is on the jar and in the box

  • SHIP Self Healing Inoculation Ports Here is where to get them or Here at Out Grow

  • Easy Felt

  • use clear silicone for the Easy Felt

  • Use RTV for the SHIPS, Clear silicone works  very well also







Here is a Master Grain Jar



petri Jars

I use the same configuration for Petri Jars as I do for Spawn Jars,



sometimes I use Plastic Jars too, its just a deep petri to me.
drill a 1/2 hole dead center slap an Easy Disk on an BANG!




Printing Jars
no picture at this time.



Mono Tubs

Configuration:
One hole on short side Monstermitch or Ohmatic style



or

2 holes on short sides covered with Easy Disks Barakakakaka style:grin:




Spawn Bags

Follow whatever make your own spawn bag tek and just
replace the filter material with Easy Felt.:thinker:




Construction

well it's all in the name, It's Easy!

Items of note*

*That crazy looking drill bit is whats known as a "1/2 inch Forstner Bit" It will make smooth holes without any burrs.



Tracing out your Easy Disks

70mm Regular mouth and 100mm Wide mouth Easy Disks

Use the lid and trace out your Easy Disks.



Quarter Sized Easy Disks
use a 100mm Easy Disks you just cut out to get 7-8 Quarter sized Easy Disks




Mono Sized Disks

This size and method used is for 64qt Standard Mono using 2" holes

Use the Ring this time and trace out your Easy Disks




Barakakaka Where can I get Easy felt?

It can be purchased at :
Fabric Stores
Arts & craft stores

:money:
1 sheet 18" W x 12" L is .99cents
and makes 110 +/- 1 U.S Minted Quarter Sized Disks.
that comes out to less than a penny per disk....
Cha Ching! :moneyeyes:

BA, wow that's cheap, But why would I spend $1 When I could use a Tyvek envelop for FREE from the post office!?

:wow: Don't be a Ding Dong, that's just ridiculous:noob::kingtard:
everyone knows that is not a suitable filter material.

Okay, okay, you got me there B, But what about Tyvek Paint Suites huh..huh :derfase:

Tyvek is okay, Many Folks here on the boards use it.


My thought's

A. It's not as good as Easy Felt IMHO & IME

B. Tyvek suites are more expensive.

c. Tyvek suite material doesnt hold up
as long in the PC and the layers split/wiggle
and fall apart creating contaminate vectors.

d. Pc cycles can effect pore size causing the pores to "Expand"

Quote:

RR said:
*Tyvek is functional and cheap or free. However, synthetic filter disks last for many years and thousands of uses. Tyvek tends to get ripped at the edges of the lid, often resulting in only one use. It can also twist, making the lid very hard to get off later for G2G or other procedures. The time spent cutting tyvek to shape each time will easily outweigh any cost advantage. Even though I sell tyvek on my website, I still prefer filter disks.




RR has this to say about junk filters:

Quote:

First of all, trying to stop contaminants with a coffee filter
is like trying to stop a mosquito with a barbed wire fence.

Two coffee filters are like having two strands of barbed wire.
Is that going to stop a mosquito???



:harhar:


Image Courtesy of 13shrooms


Additional Info on Filtration By 13Shrooms


So polyfill is synthetic and You use it as a filter,
Does that make Easy Felt synthetic filter material?
When I cut it into disks would that make it a synthetic filter disk (SFD)?


:yesnod:

This all sounds too good to be true B, what is your contaminate ratio?

I stopped counting Spawn Jars after 100
So for all intents and purposes I could say I am 100/100
I have never had a contaminated spawn jar from using Easy Felt.
In fact I have only had two contaminated spawn jars ever, they were
from my first spore syringe I ever made and it was made using open air processes:facepalm:

I had a petri dish get black mold but thats because I crammed the
dish in the box it came in and tore the filter up and exposed it to open air...:picard::picard:

This whole thing is funny because I actually have a pm right now asking me about Easy Felt...lol

Hey Barak, I'm at the store now, which one do I get? any tips?

Tips for Choosing a Felt Material
  • Brand Names
  • Stiffness/Rigidity
  • Thickness
  • Thin Spots Inspect the material for thin spots


I can only recommend using the below brands


Easy Felt




Friendly Felt (ECO-FI)



EZ Felt
I dont have a picture ATM at the moment


Other Names:
ECO-FI
Eco Felt
Econo Felt
These I have not tested for spawn jars but have used them for Monos as a Polyfill re-placement

The only question left would be that SFD that the vendors sell
have a micron rating of 0.30μm and Easy Felt's μm rating is?


that I do not know,
but like I said, I have never had a contaminated Jar from Easy Felt.

Easy Felt works, Easy Felt doesn't know if it has a  μm rating either does the contaminates:grin:


Enjoy!  :hippie:


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14488450 - 05/21/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for sharing this great tek...:bowdown:


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Luger0815]
    #14488512 - 05/21/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice write up,

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14488622 - 05/21/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14488730 - 05/21/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14488880 - 05/21/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i see you did apply a lot of effort in this.

:hatsoff:



although im not into that high art of making lids, it was worth reading.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14488997 - 05/21/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Great tek! Should I still use foil over my lids when pcing or does this eliminate the need for it?


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14489025 - 05/21/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lowfive: Barakatalksalot! :woot: well done.

higgedly - you're saving A TON of time in the long run by cutting the circles & using them for lids. I use SFDs & EZ-Felt (as long as it's the double layered stiff stuff like Barak said) is basically the exact same thing. You're going to wear out your lid before you wear out the filter material & it's easily transferred to a new lid.

shroomy - you shouldn't need foil on your lids, but I'm not 100% on that. I know you don't need it for SFD material.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: shroomybgood]
    #14489063 - 05/21/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i would still use foil so u dont get the felt wet. i believe water can still get in and mess up ur ratio.  :2cents:


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    #14489081 - 05/21/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea, like I said, I haven't used it so IDK about the foil. You're not going to mess up your water content w/ it. You just don't want the filter to get wet.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14489095 - 05/21/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok i wasnt too sure about the ratio but yeah .wet filter is  no good lol

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14489098 - 05/21/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:tinfoil:

I wouldn't leave home without my trust foil!


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14489115 - 05/21/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ProfessorPinHead said:
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I wouldn't leave home without my trust foil!



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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14489120 - 05/21/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OK so I used the foil.

What's the best way to wash these lids? I usually wash all jars and lids just like any other dishes. Is it OK to use soapy water with these as long as I rinse well and allow to dry?


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    #14489136 - 05/21/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that i dont know. we will learn together lol


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14489143 - 05/21/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IDK either.

I don't even use soapy water on my lids. Just a nice hot water scrub w/ a dish towel. They get PCed, which guarantees them to be clean...:2cents:


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14489202 - 05/21/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14489228 - 05/21/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You don't need to clean lids unless you want to. ^^^ like todlow said the PC does that for you.....


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    #14489292 - 05/21/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14490415 - 05/21/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yayy nice one baraka! will most likely be trying this stuff out soon
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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14492292 - 05/22/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shroomybgood said:
Great tek! Should I still use foil over my lids when pcing or does this eliminate the need for it?




I always use foil, for me it eliminates any question of:

"Why didn't my agar solidify?"

"My grains were dry when I loaded the jar why is there extra moisture?"

I use 1 single layer of Easy Felt
which is about half the thickness of Vendor sold SFD's,
Being its a little thinner I have seen water drip into the jar
when the filter became saturated.

This could be a disaster in
the same manner as vendor sold SFD's if you were to "pop" the
weight off early and as the pressure releases the jar sucks
extra moisture and water in through the filter, regardless
if its a vendor sold or Easy Felt SFD, That's why I always use
foil and let the PC cool naturally, keeps all the ratio's and
eliminates one more variable into the already myriad of questions
for every PC cycle every grow and every dish.

More often then not as n00bs we tend to look in the wrong place when issues arise.:noob::dumbhunter:

So why not make it easy on ourselves and reduce the variables so we can deduce efficiently:super:

So if I have foil on my lids and allow for proper cool down of the pc,
I can start looking for the vector/problem where I should be.



Thanks for all the kind words you guys
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    #14497404 - 05/23/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the suppiles bro! iam going to be be making some soon!


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    #14504727 - 05/24/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:hug: no prob bro, and congrats on the AMU induction :congrats:


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14504860 - 05/24/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:hug:
iam going to be using some of the lids i made today!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14507091 - 05/24/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #14507690 - 05/24/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

haha, I could see the colors being an attractive bonus.




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I have used different colors but just be careful that you dont choose the "glitter" sheets.

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14507777 - 05/25/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Better late then never: Great write-up BA!

I will have to get some of this stuff.

You can add to your comparison to tyvek that apparently
the pores are affected by repeated PCing.  GE can be affected.
(credit for idea to Hamloaf)

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Javadog]
    #14507864 - 05/25/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey bro,

thanks for the additions, your absolutely correct :headbang3: ahh heck thanks to hammy too:heart:

I will edit when I can.


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    #14508095 - 05/25/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14508201 - 05/25/11 02:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you'll notice weird looks out in public, its not that they are laughing with you
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    #14508231 - 05/25/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can a monotub colonize okay with the holes covered with just one piece of felt? Would that be allowing too much FAE? I suppose one could put a double piece of felt...

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Azurescens89]
    #14508279 - 05/25/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Can a monotub colonize okay with the holes covered with just one piece of felt? Would that be allowing too much FAE? I suppose one could put a double piece of felt...

Let me know what you think Shroomery!




I haven't seen anyone else use this method,
Boris uses the filters for GE for his big ol mono treys in his GH but its just for GE

I use them for everything.

heres my setup

hopefully you can glean some good info from it:super:

I will have my mono tek up in a few,

in short, what I do is this:

1. spawn to bulk in your mono tub and close the lid.

2. place your tub in your fav location to colonize for 10 days and consolidate for 5-8 days

3. Introduce to fruiting conditions.


and watch the show :popcorn:

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since the Easy Disks are on the inside you can tape any holes you want, I dont ever mess with it anymore.


The trick is to have tonnes of FAE in the beginning
then when you see pins raise your RH and drop the FAE, and give them plenty of water.

but as you can tell from that PES-A growlog, not much attention was needed. Almost a complete neglect.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Azurescens89]
    #14508298 - 05/25/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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just one piece of felt? Would that be allowing too much FAE? I suppose one could put a double piece of felt...






thats a good question and I didnt mention it in the tek,
but adding layers is another way to control the FAE,
I dont layer though I just stick it on, spawn and walk away...lol


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14508446 - 05/25/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Great idea!  I look forward to trying this & hope to say goodbye to tyvek and polyfill.  Both are a bit of a hassle to me.


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    #14513303 - 05/26/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Great idea!  I look forward to trying this & hope to say goodbye to tyvek and polyfill.  Both are a bit of a hassle to me.





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    #14513356 - 05/26/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14513423 - 05/26/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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:billnye:  :yourock: I was just getting ready to make new lids. Great idea.  :congrats:





Glad you like it, credit goes to Boris,:respect: He introduced me to the material.
I just expanded the idea a lil bit and helped bring it out into the open.


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    #14513462 - 05/26/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I haven't seen anyone else use this method,
Boris uses the filters for GE for his big ol mono treys in his GH but its just for GE

I use them for everything.

heres my setup

hopefully you can glean some good info from it:super:

I will have my mono tek up in a few,

in short, what I do is this:

1. spawn to bulk in your mono tub and close the lid.

2. place your tub in your fav location to colonize for 10 days and consolidate for 5-8 days

3. Introduce to fruiting conditions.


and watch the show :popcorn:

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since the Easy Disks are on the inside you can tape any holes you want, I dont ever mess with it anymore.


The trick is to have tonnes of FAE in the beginning
then when you see pins raise your RH and drop the FAE, and give them plenty of water.

but as you can tell from that PES-A growlog, not much attention was needed. Almost a complete neglect.




I took a look at your grow. Very nice!

Okay, so it seemed to colonize just fine with a piece of felt over all the holes. Lately I have seen people talking about stuffing the holes really tight with polyfill while their monotub colonizes. So I wonder if a piece of felt is equivalent to that... If it is, that means later when the tub needs more FAE you won't be able to adjust accordingly, right?

Also, I saw somebody mention something about "double layer felt"... That is obviously thicker felt compared to other pieces of felt... I'm curious if that makes a big difference.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Azurescens89]
    #14513595 - 05/26/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1 layer of felt is all I use, you may use more if you wish:grin:

I don't add, subtract or adjust.

1. build the mono

2. spawn to bulk and wait 15 days

3. put into fruiting.

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If you want to cover the holes with tape during colonization you can do that as well.


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    #14513620 - 05/26/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I put a double layer of felt over the holes on a monotub a couple of days ago, I think I will take one of the layers off and see what happens. I have it sloppily duct taped on there for now. Perhaps a more permanent solution will occur in the near future.

My only problem with making a more permanent solution has to do with how I dunk my sub. I leave the sub inside the monotub, then I put a piece of PVC pipe through the holes to submerge it.

I made some new jar lids using your tek too. Instead of having a fancy injector port I just have a hole filled with RTV silicone though, works the same. (I think... I have never owned an injector port)

And thanks for the mushrooms! I mostly just observe here on the shroomery and don't post much. I haven't delved into the whole rating system.

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    #14514156 - 05/26/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for taking the time to share this.  I think this might finally replace Tyvek for me as my filter medium.  Low cost and low maintenance - great stuff.


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    #14515214 - 05/26/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for this Easy Felt Tek! I have been curious about it forever. Looked over my craft store's range of felt and had no idea if their brands were the same as Easy Felt... with your "trusted brands" list now I know what to look out for.

Amazingly complete tek... now I don't have to ponder over how much polyfill equals one pinch/one handful/too loose/tight/other arbitrary measurement. Thanks!!


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Azurescens89]
    #14517054 - 05/26/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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My only problem with making a more permanent solution has to do with how I dunk my sub.

I leave the sub inside the monotub, then I put a piece of PVC pipe through the holes to submerge it.






That was my problem as well,
So I just added water to the mono until the sub started to float.
I poured a pitcher of water over the sub.


Putting a tub inside and on the sub
and then placing a weight or heavy items in the tub
would keep an even weight distribution on the sub, just like a TiT Tub in Tub



I'm not sure if the sub really needs to be completely submerged
or if its one of those "be sure to take out the floaters" type deals
we see in so many WBS Teks. (a complete waste of time.)

This would be a great time for me to explore this further, thanks for bringing this up.
hopefully someone can chime in and help us out on this.

my thinking is
Mycelium as a network is able to get water from a source
with just a few strands or a percentage of Myc able to
be in contact of the water, would be able to drink it up and distribute it.

Now that I say it out loud it doesn't sound right,
lets just wait for more info to roll in. (I tried)...:blush:

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14517555 - 05/26/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If I want a second flush w/ coir, I just mist that bitch as heavily as I can then give it a nice fan, then repeat for 1-3 days...it works :2cents:

Besides, sometimes you don't even need a "real" dunk. Like Barak said w/ his pitcher. You probably could just pour a pitcher of water around the shrunken substrate & let it soak that up & see how the second flush will turn out, if it's weak, use more or less water depending on weight of the substrate.

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    #14518445 - 05/26/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If I want a second flush w/ coir, I just mist that bitch as heavily as I can then give it a nice fan, then repeat for 1-3 days...it works :2cents:

Besides, sometimes you don't even need a "real" dunk. Like Barak said w/ his pitcher. You probably could just pour a pitcher of water around the shrunken substrate & let it soak that up & see how the second flush will turn out, if it's weak, use more or less water depending on weight of the substrate.

You should have the feeling of how a hydrated tub feels vs. one that needs dunking by now.




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I just mist that bitch as heavily as I can then give it a nice fan,




That's how I have done it as well, I try to apply the principles of LM's heat shock Tek in my siggy
to my grows, in the Tek he explains the "slow dunk", same principle as we are describing here.

The picture below is one from 3 months ago or so and
shows the standing water both in the tub and on top of the sub



I brought that tub to 5 flushes without a contam.

For a traditional dunk:
4 hour dunk is all that is needed.

Things to consider:

Standing water causes Bacteria

...everyone has different results I guess,
I personally have never had a problem,
Mostly I think that is due to the high supply of FAE,
The thought is that FAE can beat back the contams.
Sometimes I'll run a fan in the closet pointed at the door....per faceys suggestion

hope this helps out guys


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    #14518967 - 05/27/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's true, one can always pour some water on the sub or mist the hell out of it. I've also had great second flushes without dunking at all. Perhaps I will try one of the methods mentioned above when the time comes...


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    #14535285 - 05/30/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am seriously considering going the route of a monotub style TEK, using the previously mentioned synthetic felt, in place of loose poly-fil...

...All those currently trying this mod, please post your results. As I am very very interested in the results :laugh:

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    #14537426 - 05/30/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just found this. Going to be using it very soon thanks to one Barakakakakkakakakaka that was nice enough to send me some 6000 miles away :coaster:

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    #14542148 - 05/31/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do yal think that 2 layers of this stuff on a jar would be good, bad, or otherwise unnoticeable?  Not sure if it would hinder GE too much or something.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Pfffffff]
    #14542669 - 05/31/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

try 1 layer & see what you get.

The more expensive EX-Felt is double layered, which is basically what SFD's are.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14544131 - 06/01/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I used two layers of felt of a brand called "Rainbow Classic Felt" on my monotub while it colonized. This brand is pretty thin in my opinion. It cost 35 cents for a sheet at Jo Ann's Fabric.

I spawned 8 quarts of rye to a brick of coir w/ 2 quarts verm in an 18 gallon tub. I took a peek on day 5 and it was completely colonized.

On my past 18 gallon mono's I would use 6-7 quarts of spawn and I would duct tape the holes shut. The tubs would colonize in about 5-6 days.

This could all be in my head but to me it looks like a bit less rhizomorphic growth compared to my past mono's with the same LC.

The tub with the felt over the holes has been consolidating for a couple of days. I will leave it for a couple more. But perhaps I will see how it fruits when the time comes (In a bit more than a week probably) and update you all if anybody cares to know!


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Azurescens89]
    #14544724 - 06/01/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I care to know! :smile:

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14544862 - 06/01/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone ever tried a circle cutter to cut these out?


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    #14544903 - 06/01/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Guess it would prob take a fabric circle cutter... :rolleyes:



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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: total]
    #14547812 - 06/01/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've got one out in the shop... will definitely be using it to cut my monotub "filter", for sure... I bought Poly-fil, and plan to use it for my first bulk grow.  Unless; before I get there, someone comes back with stellar success using the felt in its place  :pipesmoke:


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14547813 - 06/01/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen Barak have great success w/ it...

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14547948 - 06/01/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My only real concern is in regards to FAE... I won't have a clue until I can lay my hands on some... lmao... just pictured myself in a fabric store, surrounded by middle-aged women; and here I am, with this sheet of felt up to my face while I breath through it... LOLz "No, no; I'm not a weirdo, ma'am."

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14548002 - 06/01/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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My only real concern is in regards to FAE... I won't have a clue until I can lay my hands on some... lmao... just pictured myself in a fabric store, surrounded by middle-aged women; and here I am, with this sheet of felt up to my face while I breath through it... LOLz "No, no; I'm not a weirdo, ma'am."

Oh course; I have a grant total of ZERO experience to work from <sigh>




:ilold: for real, dude. that's awesome :lmafo:

When I was getting my fittings for my SAB, I kept putting them on my arms in the middle of slowes...:laugh2:

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14548007 - 06/01/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LOLZ!

buy the felt

slap it on

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    #14548034 - 06/01/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LOLZ!

buy the felt

slap it on

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14548141 - 06/01/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol @ the power ranger pipe gauntlets :smile:

Will do on the felt purchase...

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    #14548148 - 06/01/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol @ the power ranger pipe gauntlets :smile:

Will do on the felt purchase...

Do you have suggestions on hole size and placement? Or just go with the "traditional" method?
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    #14548186 - 06/01/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have a few difference sizes... Was thinking of using one I've got that's darn near big enough to hide a person and their horse in, LOLz...

Seriously thought about putting two small (shallow) bin/trays into the big one...

I know, I know... Why the hell won't this damn noob stop fuckin' with shit and just follow a bloody established TEK?!?!... It's not my fault... I was born that way, lol.


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    #14548236 - 06/01/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have a few difference sizes... Was thinking of using one I've got that's darn near big enough to hide a person and their horse in, LOLz...

Seriously thought about putting two small bin/trays into the big one...

I know, I know... Why the hell won't this damn noob stop fuckin' with shit and just follow a bloody established TEK?!?!... It's not my fault... I was born that way, lol.





those were my thoughts but I have no room to talk I couldnt follow a tek if my life depended on it,
well I actually followed one tek and that was RR's SGFC It worked Perfect!

Basickly you can do what you want,
but replacing the Polyfill for Easy Felt will give you a good gauge on
things by being able to somewhat compare...but by all means experiment
if thats your nature, But I honestly wish I would have learned to follow a tek early on.

Careful with the bigger tubs, Eggs in one basket

Imagine doing all that work just to have a visit from the mean green or something else.
Nobody applauds when you post contam pics:thinker:

lol and I promise if you fail on the big tub I will say.....told you so..lol

I'm having a drink and being facetious..and playing nba JAMS! :grin:

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    #14548246 - 06/01/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

quick tip though, if your hellbent on the bigger tubs like a 35-50+ gallons,
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    #14548281 - 06/01/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Careful with the bigger tubs, Eggs in one basket

Imagine doing all that work just to have a visit from the mean green or something else.
Nobody applauds when you post contam pics:thinker:






I applaud you when you get contams.

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    #14548293 - 06/01/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

...stupid double-post...


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    #14548298 - 06/01/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ha ha, right on! Jam out, my brotha man!

Yeah; the "all my eggs in one basket" thing is what keeps causing a frog in my stomach :frown:  Will have to do some more aimless pondering, he he he...

It would seem that wisdom would suggest I start out with multiple minis, before jumping into coffin-sized tubs...

<sigh>

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: HorizonSpawn]
    #14548333 - 06/01/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Barak... you use perlite in your substrate?

I'll be buying some in a week and a half (on my next buying spree), along with the felt and a few other things. The perlite purchase is for a SGFC I built for my cakes.... stupid cakes... lol

I'll be moving to bulk, starting my next (2nd) grow; via rye berries and the simple coir/verm TEK. Plan to add some gypsum and diluted liquid coffee in the prep.


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    #14548346 - 06/01/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just try regular 64qt Sterilite 1928's

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    #14548756 - 06/02/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would suggest doing a simple 18 gallon mono tub. Mine colonize in about a week  and are beginning to fruit about a week after that. They yield about 4.5 ounces on the first flush.

If you have lots of spawn do two 18 gallon tubs. They are about 8-10 bucks. I think it's worth it!


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    #14548770 - 06/02/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

let your mono tub colonize for 2-4 more days before introducing into fruiting conditions.

I introduce when I see a few pins.

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    #14549042 - 06/02/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, my tubs colonize in about 5-6. days. I leave them for a few more days and then introduce them to fruiting conditions around day 8. By day 14 or so the first pins pop up. I wouldn't imagine leaving them any longer would change much yield wise. Unless I isolate (Im not there yet, soon hopefully!) I don't think I could pull much more than 4.5 ounces on a first flush from an 18 gallon tub, right?

Oh and I use about 6-8 quarts spawn to 1 brick coir and 2 quarts verm.  That's almost a 1:1 ratio.


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    #14549077 - 06/02/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i let all my jars,trays,ect go till they pin first.u know there readyand i see a difference when i do.

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    #14549080 - 06/02/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think I could pull much more than 4.5 ounces on a first flush from an 18 gallon tub, right?





18 gallons is 72 quarts, thats above the standard 64 quart,

64 quarts should bring in 6oz or so on the 1st flush and thats with MS.

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: t23]
    #14549343 - 06/02/11 03:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:mjk: sweet write up Barak, I've had some felt disks for a month or so, forgot to use em :facepalm:

gonna dig em out after reading this!:congrats:

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: FractalXplora]
    #14549350 - 06/02/11 03:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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made like 15 lids the other day along with the monotub from one sheet
still have enough for 2 to 4 more monotubs along with 20 to 40 lids


i actually steamed a batch of em w/o putting any silicone on them to sterilize some stuff and it stayed on just fine


goin' for filters on the bottom polyfil up top, gorilla taped em in place just in case but i'm sure its not necessary either
you really can just slap it on! :bigblunt:

can't thank you enough..
this is exactly the alternative I was looking for!

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My only real concern is in regards to FAE... I won't have a clue until I can lay my hands on some... lmao... just pictured myself in a fabric store, surrounded by middle-aged women; and here I am, with this sheet of felt up to my face while I breath through it... LOLz "No, no; I'm not a weirdo, ma'am."




Haha, can't breathe through it till you take it home and peel back the sticker. :laugh2:
I've breathed through it though it's legit, it's just like compressed polyfil it definitely breathes, nothing like loose polyfil but obviously good for jars
but hell if it can keep better c02 levels at the bottom of my tub with less contams and I can tear one on and off again no problem why not? :shrug:
just polyfil the top or if you want more air from the bottom just poke some pin holes through it or remove one and either leave it open air or loose polyfil
its $1, it can't be a hard decision

man says he went 100/100 jars using this stuff

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I'm glad it's working out for you so far,
Hahaha thats funny you found the sticky stuff:insano:

I havent used it yet, let us know how it works out.

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its $1, it can't be a hard decision





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:mjk: sweet write up Barak, I've had some felt disks for a month or so, forgot to use em :facepalm:

gonna dig em out after reading this!:congrats:

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
    #14549353 - 06/02/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hahaha thats funny you found the sticky stuff:insano:

I havent used it yet, let us know how it works out.




Oh I thought that's what you were usin'.. :lol:
Not sure I saw any stiffened sheets that wern't :shrug:

Affirmative. :super:


Now I have to go back to the fabric store and breathe through their shit so I can know I'm safe on using the sticky..

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: t23]
    #14549646 - 06/02/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fractal- Barakakakak sent me a couple sheets of the easyfelt. Let me know if you want some.


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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Base Icks]
    #14551358 - 06/02/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Barak, I did the lid tek but I'm still a little reluctant to try the tub filters. My concern is the same as with the lids? Cleaning? How? Do you wash and let dry? Do you remove filter, wash tub and let dry? I'm thinking a velcro solution may be in order.


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    #14551793 - 06/02/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If anyone has a micrscope capable of taking pictures, could you smear some cubensis spores on some of this felt and take some shots so we can get an idea of the pore size?


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    #14552022 - 06/02/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If anyone has a micrscope capable of taking pictures, could you smear some cubensis spores on some of this felt and take some shots so we can get an idea of the pore size?





Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.


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    #14552520 - 06/02/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If anyone has a micrscope capable of taking pictures, could you smear some cubensis spores on some of this felt and take some shots so we can get an idea of the pore size?





Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.




Hey Anon....I am sure that I have seen photo's of BAs
successes with this material.  It does stand to reason
that it will perform much as polyfill does.  While
polyfill is thicker when suffed into a tub hole, it is
not consistently so, and will be more easily evaded at
the hole edges.  This is not an issue with the felt.

BUT I have not had to time to find the right store to
look at, nor the time to look...but I will.

Take care,

JD

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Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: anonjon]
    #14554039 - 06/03/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Every tek worth it's salt must stand the test of a community inquiry,
that's why I put so much effort into this, Sometimes we see a scientific
or valid inquiry into the process's that helps the community along,
other times we see dream stealers and nay Sayers, you know the type,
negative and ready to shoot down anything, I have seen this time and time again,
but come on lets get real here, its a simple replacement of material,
ask all the questions you want, the tek is strong the tek is proven
the tek is worth its weight in gold, if it wasn't I wouldn't come up here
on stage and present it to all.

I made this tek for the greatest community in the world
as a token of my appreciation for everything the shroomery has done for me :hatsoff:

I'm not here to "sell" you on anything, I am simply sharing what has been shared with me.
I could post 50 links of people asking me about this material, The interest is there,
the results are here and it's Easy!


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Barak, I did the lid tek but I'm still a little reluctant to try the tub filters. My concern is the same as with the lids? Cleaning? How? Do you wash and let dry? Do you remove filter, wash tub and let dry? I'm thinking a Velcro solution may be in order.




I'm glad you found this helpful, treat the material as any other filter material.
Bleach them, wash them or do nothing at all and let the PC do the work...Which is what I do

I understand it can get confusing because its a new thing, but here's what I do:

I think to myself what would I do in any other situation?
then I act accordingly, meaning you would treat it as any other filter material:super:

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If anyone has a micrscope capable of taking pictures, could you smear some cubensis spores on some of this felt and take some shots so we can get an idea of the pore size?




This is a great idea! Regardless of the µm rating it potentially could receive
it will never take away from the real world application and reality of it "Just works",

Let us know when you get around to all that picture taking, I'm Semi-interested in the results,
Although I'm more interested in the results I get IRL In Real Life and not ratings:shrug:,
thanks for your input it is highly valued:super:

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If anyone has a micrscope capable of taking pictures, could you smear some cubensis spores on some of this felt and take some shots so we can get an idea of the pore size?





Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.




Boris used this long before I was privy and did so with great results.

Judging from your posting demeanor and comments it would suggest you didnt
take the time to read the through the post, if you did you would have saw this
your wasted efforts and curiosity should be quelled, as the link goes into the very detail
you are whining about that doesn't exist when it actually does, I am so glad I could take the time
to post this for you because you seem like a man of science in a hurry,
Anything I can do to help you Anonjon is my pleasure:mypleasure::hatsoff:

here is an excerpt from the link, in case your in a hurry....
It goes into great detail as you requested.






  • Cube Variety:

    PES-A  MS (Multi-Spore)

  • Spawn:

    Yeasty Dark Rye Grain,
    100% colonized for over a month,
    Showed signs of Bacteria but seemed to recover
    It was exposed to excess ambient temps of 90°/96°
    Visible signs of Metabolites, but recovered well.

  • Substrate:

    1 Brick of Coco Coir, (8 Qts)
    3 Qts of Fine Vermiculite,
    2 Cups of Gypsum
    2 Cups of Perlite
    4 Qt jars of SCG (Spent Coffee Grounds)
    Actual Volume of SCG was approximately 35%-50% of Total Substrate

    Making it roughly a 1:3 or 1:2 Sub/Spawn Ratio












  • Light and Cycle:

    2700k 60watt regular bulb
    Standard 12/12 during the pinning stage

    After that the schedule fluctuated between a
    few hours a day and sometimes days without light.
    Sometimes an Off/On Pulse of light 2hrs On/ 2hrs Off
    Growth seemed to "explode" when I did this,
    Especially towards maturity.
    I watched a fruit body grow 3" in an afternoon

    Cold fruiting is slow enough as it is.

  • FAE:

    Pretty much the same schedule as the light cycle
    in terms of turning on the fan and manual fanning

  • Fruiting Temps

    65°/68° (Cold Fruiting)






  • Wet Weight:

    1,787g -68 for the trey = 1,719g = 60.63oz

    Projected Dry Weight

    6.06 oz Dry (Carry the decimal to the left one place)


    Just wanted to share my grow, Hope you Enjoyed! :awegroove:

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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: anonjon]
        #14554086 - 06/03/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

    There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.




    you just make yourself look :ffffuuu: almost every time you post. :nonono:
    you dont know how to use the search function yet or what?  :wow:

    https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14048035#14048035


    dang, you beat me to it Barak. :hehehe:
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        #14554099 - 06/03/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Barakanaten]
        #14554115 - 06/03/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

    There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.




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        #14554445 - 06/03/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Quote:

    anonjon said:
    Fuck all that. Post a pic of the tub results and details about how the tub and felt was set up during colonization and fruiting.

    There's 5 pages of stuff on this felt and not one pic of someone having success with it.




    you just make yourself look :ffffuuu: almost every time you post.





    I guess I must just be :ffffuuu: then. Retards like you read me wrong tho. I never said anything negative about it. I think it's a great concept. I'm just pointing out the obvious that there weren't pics in this thread and some genius was suggesting that we needed microscopic images to see if the concept was any good. That's what the 'fuck all that' was about. Fuck taking microscopic pics.

    As always, go fuck yourself 13.

    Since I didn't say so earlier, let me join the sycophants in saying this looks to be a great idea. Thanks for the links to the other easy felt threads. Sorry I don't hold hands and sing kumbayah over every good idea someone posts to the forum. I'll try harder.


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: anonjon]
        #14554631 - 06/03/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    Now that we engaged in our usual tit for tat, I'm glad that you like it anon,

    Lets take it easy and join hands and sing one of my favorites

    ♩♪♫♬ ♩♪♫♬ kumbayaaaaaa my shroooom :thirdeyeani:  ♩♪♫♬ ♩♪♫♬ Kumbayaaaaa :hippie: :drlove:





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        #14554650 - 06/03/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    Anger, hate and hostility are all wasted emotions. We should all try to regenerate that energy into something a little more positive! That would be the best form of evolution IMO. Barak, you haven't steered me wrong yet so I'm going to give this a shot soon.


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        #14555188 - 06/03/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Lets take it easy and join hands and sing one of my favorites

    ♩♪♫♬ ♩♪♫♬ kumbayaaaaaa my shroooom :thirdeyeani:  ♩♪♫♬ ♩♪♫♬ Kumbayaaaaa :hippie: :drlove:

    :insano:  :bunnypeace: :bunny:  :bunnyhug: :hug::bliss::awesome2:




    I'm down for that.

    Cept I'm more like...
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        #14555288 - 06/03/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    awesome!  will have to try it.


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        #14576394 - 06/07/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    :popcorn:


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        #14576611 - 06/07/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    I've made ten jars with these as filters today. Will let you know results once I get them.


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    Right on.  Good luck Base!


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        #14577403 - 06/07/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    I've made ten jars with these as filters today. Will let you know results once I get them.




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    all but one lol


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    ez felt and whatmans


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: ShadOWCrack]
        #14578345 - 06/08/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    All I could find is "Stik R Felt" Same stuff? Input?

    Edit: Grammar


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: wildernessjunkie]
        #14578871 - 06/08/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    you will have to wait on barak or maybe TL on that one. i have the same stuff as Barak does. hes the one i got it from:shrug:


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        #14578877 - 06/08/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    Were all those jars done at the same time shadowcrack?
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        #14578911 - 06/08/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Were all those jars done at the same time shadowcrack?
    It seems the ezfelt jar is doing nothing... :shrug:



    other than the first and last pic, and the one with tyvek have the EZ felt.

    they was done a diff times.

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        #14578976 - 06/08/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    I don't think you're going to have that good of luck w/ those Whatmans...

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        #14579018 - 06/08/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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        #14580877 - 06/08/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    Made up 2 batches of jars (14) with these on Sunday.  Something I wonder about is the slight condensation under the foil that always seems to occur.  Can't get it airtight obviously so the steam will penetrate and leave a little bit.  Nothing was saturated but I'm sure they ended up a little damp.  Think that will be an issue?  I immediately dabbed a fresh dry paper towel to soak any excess up, so hopefully all will be well.


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        #14580890 - 06/08/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    I don't use foil over my lids w/ SFDs...

    IDK about Barakatalksalot & EZ-Felt...

    Now, I have less condensation on the lids of my jars w/out the foil than when I did after PC runs...

    Use foil on the lids if you're using tyvek or poly...

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        #14580990 - 06/08/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    Oh ok, hadn't thought about that.  I thought the foil actually prevented condensation since the PC is packed with steam for so long, anything would get soaked (or so I thought)...


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        #14581410 - 06/08/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    The micron size on SFDs are so small/low that water molecules can't pass through them.

    As you've observed, you can't get the foil 100% sealed around the jar lid. Therefore, you're allowing steam in there, but it doesn't escape the foil packaging during cooling. Therefore, you get condensation on your lids+foil, which leave water droplets on your lids.

    You can do the experiment yourself. Try 1/2 your PC load w/ & 1/2 w/out...


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        #14583664 - 06/09/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    ez felt and whatmans




    I don't think you're going to have that good of luck w/ those Whatmans...

    They're the smaller version (13mm) & may not allow enough GE once the jars are more colonized.



    yeah thats what i was thinking to but it was that or tyvek lol

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        #14585400 - 06/09/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    I'd only do a foil test with one jar with out foil. Would suck of half your pc load got flooded :shrug:


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        #14585431 - 06/09/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    I'd only do a foil test with one jar with out foil. Would suck of half your pc load got flooded :shrug:




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        #14585489 - 06/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    Great tek! Should I still use foil over my lids when pcing or does this eliminate the need for it?




    I always use foil, for me it eliminates any question of:

    "Why didn't my agar solidify?"

    "My grains were dry when I loaded the jar why is there extra moisture?"

    I use 1 single layer of Easy Felt
    which is about half the thickness of Vendor sold SFD's,
    Being its a little thinner I have seen water drip into the jar
    when the filter became saturated.


    This could be a disaster in
    the same manner as vendor sold SFD's if you were to "pop" the
    weight off early and as the pressure releases the jar sucks
    extra moisture and water in through the filter, regardless
    if its a vendor sold or Easy Felt SFD, That's why I always use
    foil and let the PC cool naturally, keeps all the ratio's and
    eliminates one more variable into the already myriad of questions
    for every PC cycle every grow and every dish.

    More often then not as n00bs we tend to look in the wrong place when issues arise.:noob::dumbhunter:

    So why not make it easy on ourselves and reduce the variables so we can deduce efficiently:super:

    So if I have foil on my lids and allow for proper cool down of the pc,
    I can start looking for the vector/problem where I should be.



    Thanks for all the kind words you guys
    I'm glad you enjoyed the Tek :hatsoff:




    I always see a drop of water in my agar jars regardless of foil or no foil,
    so this tells me that the material is a little bit thinner.

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        #14585978 - 06/09/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    I have some jars that I cut proper sfd up into pieces to stretch them out. I am doing a pc load right now and left one with out foil to see what happens.

    Also, I think most of the time "excess water" is jars is just condensation from the outside coooling before the inside regardless of speed. Either the agar or grain will probably re absorb it if giving enough time and the right temperatures.

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        #14586007 - 06/09/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

    When I PC'd my 1/2 pint jars (stacked two high), with synthetic filter disks, I didn't use a foil cover...  The top jars was bone dry on the surface of the lid. However; the bottom jars were soaking wet on top. I attribute it to condensation dripping down from the separation rack and top jars...  I plotted dry with a paper towel, then wiped down with alcohol... Seem to be fine :smile:


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    Sweeeeeetness... Thank you for the feedback :smile: Lookin' good there, good sir!


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        #14627954 - 06/17/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    So how many runs, at the most, through the PC, have you put the EZ-Felt material and, have you noticed any change in pore size the more and more it runs through the PC?


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        #14670467 - 06/25/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    So far I'm pretty damn happy with this 'sticky' felt stuff..
    At first, I thought it'd restrict GE with the extra layer adhesive, but it seems to breath just fine for me
    Haven't been taking any precaution at all,

    .....the sticky side seems to repel liquid




    Bottom line? :super:
    GE seems on point, fully colonized (water-logged with weak GLC)
    4oz cake in 9 days ain't bad at all.

    ..and no contams after I basically asked for them

    I soaked that 4 oz, growth should have been slow if
    anything and contam risk high, but performed surprisingly great


    I'd say this stuff's pretty legit guys :hatsoff:







    I'm glad your getting fabulous results! :whoo:

    The great thing about a community is all the feedback and evolution of techniques/materials.

    great job on adding to this :headbang3:
    I'm getting some sticky felt soon and will try it on my mono's:plot::hehehe::uptosomething::naughty:


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    So how many runs, at the most, through the PC, have you put the EZ-Felt material and, have you noticed any change in pore size the more and more it runs through the PC?




    Well I have been using this for 9 or so months now
    and if I had to guess how many times a filter had been cycled through the PC
    I would guess 30 or 40 times without a single sign of deterioration.

    My thoughts are, since it is polyfil that has been ironed out into a mat and is a synthetic material,
    I treat it as a synthetic filter disk with a polyfil melting point and characteristics.

    I could see this stuff lasting quite a long time and on par with a vendor sold SFD.
    In any case the cost simply rules out any concerns,
    I would gladly pay a couple of dollars every couple of years
    to replace them if that was the case. These are just my thoughts and
    everyone is different and has different preferences/concerns/tastes.


    I'm Glad everyone is liking the material so far,
    I haven't had any neg responses from anyone I have given this stuff too.



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    I will be looking for this next time I get a chance. Thank you for the contribution!


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    Well, I am going try some of this, eventually.

    Thanks for sharing BA!

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    i used this on two jars to test it out.
    the "eazy felt" brand
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    im really looking forward to any info on using this with monos
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    I dont think it would be a good replacement for polyfil in a mono. But excellent for filters on jars.


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    I dont think it would be a good replacement for polyfil in a mono. But excellent for filters on jars.





    Yeah your probably right...
    I'll stop using them immediately and hopefully nobody uses them
    on there mono's, they might end up with crappy results like this:







    Thanks for your input and scientific explanation of why you think
    this Tek isnt a good replacement for use of polyfil in a mono
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    Hi there! Just read your thread, looks nice! Cheers from KD:)

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    How do you adjust the breathe-ability? I like the variable thickness aspect of polyfil. Do you glue the felt to the tub? If so, how do you adjust for varying conditions?


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        #14690138 - 06/29/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    Hope you dont mind but I broke the question into parts
    Hope I can help clear things up a bit and I hope
    I didnt sound too short with ya, Just a bit :crankdre: today...lol:heart:


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    How do you adjust the breathe-ability?




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    heres my setup

    hopefully you can glean some good info from it:super:

    I will have my mono tek up in a few,

    in short, what I do is this:

    1. spawn to bulk in your mono tub and close the lid.

    2. place your tub in your fav location to colonize for 10 days and consolidate for 5-8 days

    3. Introduce to fruiting conditions.


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    since the Easy Disks are on the inside you can tape any holes you want, I dont ever mess with it anymore.


    The trick is to have tonnes of FAE in the beginning
    then when you see pins, raise your RH and drop the FAE, and give them plenty of water.

    but as you can tell from that PES-A growlog, not much attention was needed. Almost a complete neglect.





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    I like the variable thickness aspect of polyfil.






    what do you like about it?
    All I ever hear is people trying to pull it as far out as they can and pack
    it as loosely as possible to provide max FAE, so much so everyone
    always says they have it so far out that it falls out...lol

    The same adjustments can be made with a lil bit o gorilla tape
    Seeing how the filter is inside the mono.:grin:






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    Do you glue the felt to the tub?




    Yep, with silicone. I place the filter on the inside of the mono.

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    Construction

    well it's all in the name, It's Easy!

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    If so, how do you adjust for varying conditions?




    you can use tape,
    Same way as you would adjust a SGFC.
    Put a piece a tape over part of the hole or over the whole thing.

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    just one piece of felt? Would that be allowing too much FAE? I suppose one could put a double piece of felt...






    thats a good question and I didnt mention it in the tek,
    but adding layers is another way to control the FAE,
    I dont layer though I just stick it on, spawn and walk away...lol





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    I took a look at your grow. Very nice!

    Okay, so it seemed to colonize just fine with a piece of felt over all the holes. Lately I have seen people talking about stuffing the holes really tight with polyfill while their monotub colonizes. So I wonder if a piece of felt is equivalent to that... If it is, that means later when the tub needs more FAE you won't be able to adjust accordingly, right?

    Also, I saw somebody mention something about "double layer felt"... That is obviously thicker felt compared to other pieces of felt... I'm curious if that makes a big difference.






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    1 layer of felt is all I use, you may use more if you wish:grin:

    I don't add, subtract or adjust.

    1. build the mono

    2. spawn to bulk and wait 15 days

    3. put into fruiting.

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    If you want to cover the holes with tape during colonization you can do that as well.







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        #14690781 - 06/29/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    Oh ok. Yea i like the ability to have polyfil tight or almost falling out if needed. It looked like a set, unvarying filter. Which i saw as good and bad. The temps and humidity fluctuate some much where i live i need to adjust everyday. But it looks like you've had good sucess with it. Im gonna pick some up this weekend and try it on some jars and eventually a mono :smile:


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        #14692880 - 06/29/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    It looked like a set, unvarying filter.




    It is, but you can put a piece of tape on to reduce FAE
    or go "Au natural" to increase FAE...lol
    When I peek in to check on the monos they
    always have water droplets on the inside
    and a clear unmistakable path, that the FAE leaves,
    you can actually see where/How the FAE is moving.

    I guess in order to gauge the path/amount
    I just try some Polyfil and see if there is a difference.


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        #14720552 - 07/05/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    spawing to a mini mono tomorow
    and i will be using tight pollyfill for colonization
    then once fc are initated i will put on the easy disks

    hopefully i can borrow someones camera to document. if not ill atleast get a few of the whole proses and report back

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    spawing to a mini mono tomorow
    and i will be using tight pollyfill for colonization
    then once fc are initated i will put on the easy disks

    hopefully i can borrow someones camera to document. if not ill atleast get a few of the whole proses and report back

    im feeling good about this barak :thumbup:




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        #14722342 - 07/05/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    So how many runs, at the most, through the PC, have you put the EZ-Felt material and, have you noticed any change in pore size the more and more it runs through the PC?




    Well I have been using this for 9 or so months now
    and if I had to guess how many times a filter had been cycled through the PC
    I would guess 30 or 40 times without a single sign of deterioration.

    My thoughts are, since it is polyfil that has been ironed out into a mat and is a synthetic material,
    I treat it as a synthetic filter disk with a polyfil melting point and characteristics.

    I could see this stuff lasting quite a long time and on par with a vendor sold SFD.
    In any case the cost simply rules out any concerns,
    I would gladly pay a couple of dollars every couple of years
    to replace them if that was the case. These are just my thoughts and
    everyone is different and has different preferences/concerns/tastes.


    I'm Glad everyone is liking the material so far,
    I haven't had any neg responses from anyone I have given this stuff too.



    :obamadre:



    Thanks for your reply, and, I believe you. 

    Good point about the life span (thus far) far outweighing the ratio of cost.  I can agree with that.  In my belief, this easy-felt contraption's proven EASIER to locate, over synthetic filter disks.


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    Yeah, he has it backwards, but IME there's really no point in using them over polyfil for monotubs.
    Too hard to gauge the GE and a PITA to adjust, I'm sure it can perform a tub just fine but I'm just stickin' it to my lids for now on.



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        #14725908 - 07/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    I like the fact that mushrooms wouldnt grow inside my polyfil
    Hate pickin that shit out while i clean...

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    I like the fact that mushrooms wouldnt grow inside my polyfil
    Hate pickin that shit out while i clean...

    Who really wants to eat pillow stuffing?



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    I like the fact that mushrooms wouldnt grow inside my polyfil
    Hate pickin that shit out while i clean...

    Who really wants to eat pillow stuffing?




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    Or the ones with "mushroom seeds"(birdseed) in them...

    I acctually heard this bitch say that, and that she was going to go plant it...
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    Or the ones with "mushroom seeds"(birdseed) in them...

    I acctually heard this bitch say that, and that she was going to go plant it...
    I looked at her very stupidly... 
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    Quick question on EZ-Felt, I bought the exact same stuff in your first recommended picture.  Actual white EZ-Felt, same model number, etc.  Anyway, I made some jar lids up, I use RTV for injection ports and instead of my usual quarter sized tyvek layer, I used an EZ-Felt layer attached with RTV.  Now, today I gave my jars a shake and smelled mushrooms.  When using Tyvek, this has never happened since air barely passes through building tyvek, however, I noticed immediately with the EZ-Felt lids that air passes easily through it.  Now, I don't know exactly what micron level EZ-Felt goes down too, but, it would seem to me that if mushroom mycelium particles make it out during a jar shake, then nasties could make it back in, correct?  With tyvek, I cannot blow through the 3/8" GE hole at all, but with EZ-Felt, I could blow right through it as if it were polyfill.  So, am I at risk here?  This is my first time using EZ-Felt, so I'm just curious to see if this is normal, thanks,


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        #14738500 - 07/08/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    bbox - :shrug2: I wish I could help you. I've only used SFDs for jar lids, which is, basically, two layers of EZ-Felt.

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    Good to know, just out of curiousity, when you shake SFD filtered jars, do you smell mushrooms?  Thanks,





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    Thanks a bunch, that makes me feel MUCH better.  I've been waiting on all sorts of nasties to take over my jars, and doing 17 my first time with EZ-Felt, I got a bit nervous :wink:  So far, everything looks good since the shake, everything's colonizing fine, no mold or bacteria signs at all.

      Some of the WBS was so tightly colonized I had to give a couple jars a whack on a car tire, the bicycle tire in my lab didn't cut it, so I had to take them outside which always makes me nervous.  I have a clean air environment inside.  Those are fine too, I just had some really crazy PESA mono-cultures which are extremely rhizomorphic and they are extremely fast, on agar, it was incredible, and now in grains, it's really amazing, these cultures are just eating up anything I put them on.  Now, they just have to fruit, and I'll really be happy :wink:  Thanks for the help.

    A little note on usage of EZ-Felt: My felt "boards" were bent when they arrived and I had some trouble getting the bent circles to stay flat when RTV'ing them, so I used a clothing iron on a very low temp, to flatten them a bit, I had to throw a couple away at first since the temp was too high and they shrank, so, using a very low temp I was able to flatten them and then they adhered to the lids perfectly, without losing any thickness.  Hopefully this helps someone who runs into the same problem, this stuff is rigid, so if it's bent, it's hard to get a good seal using RTV.  The iron makes it perfectly flat using low temps, without effecting thickness.


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        #14750558 - 07/11/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

    good tip bbox
    and to reply to a post up the page

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    Am I missing something?  Wouldn't it be better to have the ez-felt on for colonization and loose polyfill for fruiting?




    i think the ez felt is on par with "very loose" polyfill(almost falling out)

    ive done some simple tests like geting a paper-towel role
    attaching ez felt ,tight poly-fil,and loose poly-fil
    to the end of three separate tubes

    i find their is very little difference in the loose poly vs. the ez felt
    its hard to belive, but the test are very easy to re-create

    also to the rest of the people in this thread,my friend brought the idea up of using a "hole punch" of the felt come fruiting time

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        #14788587 - 07/18/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

    I have a question about the stiffness/rigidity of the ez felt.  Is it supposed to bend very easily like paper would, or should it be stiff like cardboard?  I've looked at a few different kinds, and they all bend very easy even though they're rather thick (even the kind with a sticker on the back)

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    :tardhi:
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    I have a question about the stiffness/rigidity of the ez felt.  Is it supposed to bend very easily like paper would, or should it be stiff like cardboard?  I've looked at a few different kinds, and they all bend very easy even though they're rather thick (even the kind with a sticker on the back)

    I decided to get a few sheets of the bendy kind, made by eco fi, should these work?




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        #14803020 - 07/21/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

    I got some Eazy Felt today from AC Moore... the variation in thickness between sheets was astounding. Some sheets were literally 3 times as thick as others, and all are supposed to be the exact same thing?!

    Fished through the entire stack to pick out three that were decently thick (as seen in the OP) and uniform throughout. Gonna give this a shot soon!


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        #14965116 - 08/23/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

    48 jars later and I'm another saitsfied Easy Felt Tek user.

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        #14968464 - 08/23/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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    I have a question about the stiffness/rigidity of the ez felt.  Is it supposed to bend very easily like paper would, or should it be stiff like cardboard?  I've looked at a few different kinds, and they all bend very easy even though they're rather thick (even the kind with a sticker on the back)

    I decided to get a few sheets of the bendy kind, made by eco fi, should these work?




    on the tag it should say "stiff" find one that says stiff and compare.



    it shouldnt bend like paper.






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    48 jars later and I'm another saitsfied Easy Felt Tek user.

    :highfive:






    :awegroove: Glad you like it :headbang3:


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    Same, I'm at 100% success @ ~40 jars and I'm teh noob

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        #14970401 - 08/24/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

    BTW, anyone who has a smart phone can make use of that UPC in the picture to find it very easily online.


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    BTW, anyone who has a smart phone can make use of that UPC in the picture to find it very easily online.




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    lol  I was wondering what that UPC was for!  :laugh2:  Good one!  :super:


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    Will this work, I worry about the thickness, I guess I could all ways double up:shrug:



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    looks good to me bro.


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        #15074908 - 09/13/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

    50+jars w/ the sticky backed stuff = 0% contam. rate
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        #15075325 - 09/13/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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    good tip bbox
    and to reply to a post up the page

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    Am I missing something?  Wouldn't it be better to have the ez-felt on for colonization and loose polyfill for fruiting?




    i think the ez felt is on par with "very loose" polyfill(almost falling out)

    ive done some simple tests like geting a paper-towel role
    attaching ez felt ,tight poly-fil,and loose poly-fil
    to the end of three separate tubes

    i find their is very little difference in the loose poly vs. the ez felt
    its hard to belive, but the test are very easy to re-create

    also to the rest of the people in this thread,my friend brought the idea up of using a "hole punch" of the felt come fruiting time

    i thought i was an interesting idea having to do with "adjusting" the felt




    well ive been banking on covering my holes with eco fi felt. so far so good. im 6 days into fruiting now, primordia is forming. havent had much of a problem. are you saying felt is not good to use on tub holes or what?


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    Will this work, I worry about the thickness, I guess I could all ways double up:shrug:







    Looks good to me:sunny::thumbup:


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        #15504237 - 12/12/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

    I've got a question on the subject for all you folks who are big supporters of the easy felt.  Since applying it to my lids, I've noticed that when I pressure cook my jars, even with foil on them nice and tight, the filters seem to be getting wet.  I have no idea why this is happening.  I've been letting them dry under the foil and since I have them on the top AND bottom of the lid I think there's a good chance I'm safe.  It just concerns me that they get wet consistently, every time.  No contams yet but I think it's too early to tell.

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    I've got a question on the subject for all you folks who are big supporters of the easy felt.  Since applying it to my lids, I've noticed that when I pressure cook my jars, even with foil on them nice and tight, the filters seem to be getting wet.  I have no idea why this is happening.  I've been letting them dry under the foil and since I have them on the top AND bottom of the lid I think there's a good chance I'm safe.  It just concerns me that they get wet consistently, every time.  No contams yet but I think it's too early to tell.

    I'm not releasing pressure on my cooker, just letting it sit.  Maybe it's the inside of the jars steaming up?





    I notice that as well, since then I have taken my AMU
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    jars in without the foil, so far so good, I havent noticed any issues yet.

    I also spray the tops of my lids with Iso Prop Alc when I remove them from the PC.
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    Ah okay and despite the wetness it's still not a contam issue, I take it?  I just GLC'd and G2G'd a crap ton of jars with the new double easy-felt filters.  I'm excited to find out I didn't fuck up some semi-challenging procedures.

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    Ah okay and despite the wetness it's still not a contam issue, I take it? 






    My thinking is...when the jars are hot and the
    filter is wet its drawing air into the jar/filter
    so if its wet its bringing in with it contams,
    so I let cool naturally and spray/sometimes dab
    some iso prop alc on the filter just for good measure,
    but in terms of not seeing a contam yet is right.

    Its not necessary to do it like this its just one of those things I prefer to do thats all.

    Alcohol helps to displace/evaporate the water,
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    I've done 100+ jars with easy felt and no contams :thumbup:

    So you PC without foil? Interesting!

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        #15505014 - 12/12/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

    Ive got a filter test experiment going with this stuff right now. So far so good. Though Im considering extending the time, just to make sure.

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    It's to help keep moisture out & ensure the filter doesn't get wet, which causes contams.

    I stopped using foil on my lids a long time ago &, actually, have less moisture on my lids when done w/ the PC run than before.

    SFDs won't allow moisture through the filter, due to the the pore size of the filter being so small.

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    thanks for the great tek ! 


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    I've done 100+ jars with easy felt and no contams :thumbup:

    So you PC without foil? Interesting!

    Same grain prep?
    I thought the foil was to keep extra moisture out?




    Yeah without foil, but I haven't been doing
    it long enough to recommend it to anyone.
    Yep same grain prep:yesnod:

    I actually noticed less moisture after the PC run,
    Sometimes my jars would have a lil extra moisture
    and i would have to dry them out a bit.

    now all the jars I have done come out 100% on point.
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    I admit I was nervous about wasting time,
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    thanks for the great tek ! 


    now i am ready to make some glc, and wont have to cut tyvek circles anymore yay !!





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    Ive got a filter test experiment going with this stuff right now. So far so good. Though Im considering extending the time, just to make sure.

    http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15431433





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    Barakanaten what really tripped me out was the link to get the SHIPs  that place is in my home town and I went there the next day, the employees were all stoked about the link and said they sold alot. I just buy packs of jar lids and make the ez felt ship lids ! Then I can make my own glc and be on my way to sclerotia heaven ! Barakakakakaka FTW ! I did find that cutting the sticky ez felt in to squares is much faster than circles =D


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    Barakanaten what really tripped me out was the link to get the SHIPs  that place is in my home town and I went there the next day, the employees were all stoked about the link and said they sold alot. I just buy packs of jar lids and make the ez felt ship lids ! Then I can make my own glc and be on my way to sclerotia heaven ! Barakakakakaka FTW ! I did find that cutting the sticky ez felt in to squares is much faster than circles =D




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    Sweet deal bro, glad everything is easy breezy for ya :sunny::thumbup:

    I agree about the squares,
    I have tried to get past circles but my OCD type
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        #15518347 - 12/14/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

    Ok just pc'd 10 - pint jars with sticky ez felt lids and ships and the moisture content seems right on and the felt stayed intact and in place. Gonna noc them up blue oyster, enoki, and lions mane and make some glc . Also I didn't use foil and there wasn't much condensation on the lids and only 2 had moisture on them. I did not have the jar lids screwed down tight either. Will update results. :-D


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: choicecutz]
        #15518574 - 12/14/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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    I will let you know how the sticky ez felt performs.




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    Ok so far so good jars are doing great !


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        #15557125 - 12/22/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Hmm I just got my first in-jar contams, black mold on the grain right under the EZ Felt GE hole.

    Possibly cos these sheets vary so much in thickness, from one sheet to the next, even within the same stack in the same store. I must've got a thin one and not noticed or something.

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        #15557317 - 12/22/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Yeah I've been putting one under the lid and one over the lid.  The little bit of space between makes me feel better about the possibility of either of them getting wet.


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        #15571828 - 12/25/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Update :  all pint jars are colonized with NO CONTAMS sticky ez felt squares

    Now if I can just make glc with no flowhood or glovebox contam free it would be awesome !


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: choicecutz]
        #15610021 - 01/03/12 12:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Ack wtf!  I just did another batch of jars and I made sure they were bone dry before I PC'd them and lo and behold, theres a TON of standing water in each jar.  How the hell do I fix this??  I'm seriously thinking of going back to tyvek... I feel like I just wasted 28 hours of soaking, rinsing,  drying, and pressure cooking so that I could waste my last bit of grain as well.


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        #15627933 - 01/06/12 10:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Results are in:

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        #15628107 - 01/06/12 11:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    really awesome tek, gonna have to pick some up tomorrow! thanks a lot


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        #15628198 - 01/06/12 11:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TacoHerder]
        #15628338 - 01/07/12 12:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    Results are in:

    The Filter Test





    nice, well done test experiment.





    Thinking of doing it again with:

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        #15628897 - 01/07/12 06:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    sounds like a plan to me nice work :thumbup:


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        #15628937 - 01/07/12 06:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    IMO don't even bother with the coffee filters.  We know those aren't suitable.  Coffee goes through them.  Why wouldn't EVERYTHING else?


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        #15629878 - 01/07/12 12:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    coffee filters have no place on top of a jar.
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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
        #15630229 - 01/07/12 01:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    I agree. But I still see posts where people are putting coffee filters on the jar. It just one more variable that can be introduced and then dis-proven.

    The only thing I stand to lose is a bit of agar, and a little time.


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        #15630356 - 01/07/12 02:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    I wouldn't even waste your time with it. It's not worth it.
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        #15633046 - 01/08/12 12:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    ^ This, dude.

    Laboring over facts that have already been proven is a futile task, and a waste of time.

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    Well, we're not crazy, but...
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        #15634267 - 01/08/12 10:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    Growing mushrooms does make you Gay.
    O well...



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        #15634325 - 01/08/12 10:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    I thought it was eating mushrooms that made you gay?  Growing them just taught me that patience and hard work are the only things that pay off.

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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Inocuole]
        #15634404 - 01/08/12 10:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Great tek man! Super clean. Your craftsmanship is sick!


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Sparkit]
        #15634566 - 01/08/12 11:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Great tek, I definitely plan to use this for all my filtering applications, it just looks great.


    I did notice that some people have preference of the type/color of silicone they might use as an adhesive so I thought I would weigh in a little bit.

    Permatex is the brand I would use, RTV silicone, now the 3 colors they carry have max temperatures of:

    Clear: 400 F  (204 C)
    Black: 450 F  (232 C)
      Red: 600 F  (315 C)

    ** Since I did not look up other brands of RTV I can only assume the max temp. of other RTVs of the same color but by a different maker would be around the same **

    Given that information, using clear is just fine, and as OP demonstrates, it comes out looking very clean.

    I appreciate the time you've put into this tek (and everyone else that has posted their teks on this suject).


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Hartge]
        #15664697 - 01/14/12 10:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    Just got my EZ Felt today in the mail (none of my local stores carried it).  I got 12 sheets for about $0.99 each with $3.00 shipping or so, not too shabby for how many filters that is going to make.

    Here is my template for my first sheet, I am sure I can consolidate a little better and get a few more quarter size (GE) disc out of each sheet.



    1 sheet has produced 15 lid size discs and 43 quarter size discs, not bad for $0.99 which is usually the cost of a single SFD.


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Hartge]
        #15666222 - 01/14/12 04:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

    My local craft store stocks "stiffened felt," but not any of the brands so far discussed. The felt looks basically useless for filtration. The thickness varies wildly across the surface, and the thin spots appear to be far too thin to be of any protection. You can almost read through this stuff.

    The brand:

    Held against a light:

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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: Bacchus]
        #15724615 - 01/27/12 11:12 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

    Anyone use the Creatology stuff from Michael's?


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: TranscendingLife]
        #15724649 - 01/27/12 11:22 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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    coffee filters have no place on top of a jar.
    Save them & use them for your coffee.



    I put coffee filter over my pf tek jars in the summer, it keeps the mushroom flies from getting in there and ruining them. It only takes one case of maggots in a ruined jar to see that it works. It doesn't do anything as far` as a filter goes, though


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        #15724736 - 01/27/12 11:50 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

    Mushroom Flies? Maggots? :confused2:

    You shouldnt ever have maggots in your pf jars...
    Either you have huge holes that a regular house fly can enter in your jars, or your sterile procedure is bad :frown:

    Maybe your thinking of fungus gnats?
    These things live in your house plants soil, and rarely cause any concern...


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        #15724819 - 01/27/12 12:14 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

    Allow me to quote a few things from the links you provided...

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    I put some wild caps that I found on top of my rice cakes for a few hours to let them drop some spores onto the cakes...
    Now a few days later, I see worms EVERYWHERE in the cakes.  The jars are about half white, but now they have little wiggly bugs in them - what should I do? 
    Is there a way to get them out before I move the cakes to the grow chamber?  Thanks in advance!



    So he simply puts a wild cap ontop of a cake...?:confused2:
    Where is the sterile procedure in that?

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    I knocked up some jars a week or two ago. I went to look at them a week later and there were literally hundreds maybe thousands of worms crawling in one of the jars.
    I used a homemade syringe of multispore and micropore tape over holes, its brf.




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    There was no mycelium only worms. I have had success with thousands of pf jars and some bulk trays with casings. I used micropore during the steaming, 90 mins, then applied fresh micropore after innoc.



    Im willing to bet, also bad sterile procedure...
    Steaming works, but is iffy at best...
    Hell, he says he got NO mycelium growth...
    Prob improperly made syringe, or shitty vendor...

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    my jars are set up with 2 holes in the lid, one just larger than the needles i use for innoc and one for GE with a sheet of tyvec between the opening of the jar and the lid.... the innoc holes i cover with electrical tape immediately after i pull the needle out, but that had to be where the problem happened i imagine
    either that or i have some crazy ass mutant gnats/flies that can lay eggs through tyvek o.O lets hope thats not the case



    Op used a PC, good for him...
    But uses electrical tape? :confused2:
    Flys cant penetrate tyvek...i know this...ive used it for 8 years...
    Im willing to bet my myco-job that once again, "Improper sterile procedure"





    So in all cases, it just appears to be improper sterile procedure at one point or another...
    A coffee filter doesnt really "filter" what we try to bro...:shrug:


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: total]
        #15724858 - 01/27/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

    well, I just searched for "maggots in pf cake" and then linked a few, without reading them. I know I've had maggots in my jars before, was it from the print or was it from them crawling in there? I can't say. Sure tyvek keeps the bugs out, but on pf jars, the verm is your filter, and the flies can burrow through that and have contaminants on thier body/open holes up in the vermiculite and ruin a cake. I haven't seen another maggot in my jar since I put a coffee filter over it.


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        #15728244 - 01/28/12 05:31 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

    Quote:

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    Mushroom Flies? Maggots? :confused2:

    You shouldnt ever have maggots in your pf jars...
    Either you have huge holes that a regular house fly can enter in your jars, or your sterile procedure is bad :frown:

    Maybe your thinking of fungus gnats?
    These things live in your house plants soil, and rarely cause any concern...


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    Anyone use the Creatology stuff from Michael's?



    :hug:
    Im glad your finally home!



    I've had fungus gnats in pf jars before. Larva and all. Pink oysters ate them up though. Was crazy. I can see the benefit of having a coffee filter for keeping out bugs.

    Yeah I made it home!!!

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        #15899473 - 03/04/12 02:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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    Well, we're not crazy, but...
    Growing mushrooms does make you Gay.
    O well...




    Oh sure...now they tell us.

    And Ive been noticing lately how hot you look in that keffiyeh, TL.

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    My local craft store stocks "stiffened felt," but not any of the brands so far discussed. The felt looks basically useless for filtration. The thickness varies wildly across the surface, and the thin spots appear to be far too thin to be of any protection. You can almost read through this stuff.

    The brand:

    Held against a light:

    I've started an experiment to test it's effectiveness.
    http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15666342






    This is the kind that I use for jar lids as well as to cover up the holes in my tubs, seems to work very well. I have had a couple stone jars contam under these but if I had to guess it was due to reasons other than the filters.


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        #16022318 - 03/31/12 12:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

    Everyone should use this felt; I just started using it and see no contamination in any of my jars. I use really good sterile technique but I have cats and kids so I always see some contamination. Ever since I started using these NONE!!


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        #16025088 - 03/31/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

    Thank you for this!  Easy to do and I feel safer with it then just having 4 holes in the top.


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        #16192632 - 05/06/12 10:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    I have used different colors but just be careful that you dont choose the "glitter" sheets.

    The glitter brings out the Disco-tech in me :discodance::discoboogie:, but when the funs all done
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    Awesome post.  Unfortunately I couldn't find any of your tested kinds of Easy Felt. The only stiff felt I could find was some cpe Stiff Glimmer Felt, with glitter all over it.  Would this stuff work?  Is there any reason to avoid the glittery stuff besides getting covered in glitter?  I also found the sticky ones, but I thought that might limit  GE too much (I hadn't read the whole thread yet...apparently the sticky felt works fine).

    Also, there seems to be some disagreement whether to cover the jars in tin-foil or not while in the PC.  What do you suggest?  I'm not going to be stacking any jars in the PC because it is too small.


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    love it


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        #16192823 - 05/06/12 11:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    Awesome post.  Unfortunately I couldn't find any of your tested kinds of Easy Felt. The only stiff felt I could find was some cpe Stiff Glimmer Felt, with glitter all over it.  Would this stuff work?  Is there any reason to avoid the glittery stuff besides getting covered in glitter?  I also found the sticky ones, but I thought that might limit  GE too much (I hadn't read the whole thread yet...apparently the sticky felt works fine).

    Also, there seems to be some disagreement whether to cover the jars in tin-foil or not while in the PC.  What do you suggest?  I'm not going to be stacking any jars in the PC because it is too small.





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        #16192865 - 05/06/12 11:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

    Here's another easy felt testimonial. Been using it for the last couple months, across over 40 quart grain jars and not one has contaminated. :thumbup: Got mine from Joanne's. Cost $1.50 for like 2.5 square feet.


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        #16193368 - 05/07/12 02:21 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

    i really like this idea for easy felt. i didnt see anyone go over the price compared to tyvek.


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    i really like this idea for easy felt. i didnt see anyone go over the price compared to tyvek.



    Well you can scavenge tyvek for free, if you know where to look. But I don't like to use tyvek More than once. My ez felt disks just did their 8th trip through my All American, and I don't see any noticable wear beyond staining.


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        #16193456 - 05/07/12 03:10 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

    ah i see i agree quality over cheapness always prevails in my mind. when i get my hands on some spores i feel like im going to an art store for that easy felt.


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        #16193630 - 05/07/12 06:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

    Using ez felt, it costs only a few pennies to make a grain jar filter.


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    Awesome post.  Unfortunately I couldn't find any of your tested kinds of Easy Felt. The only stiff felt I could find was some cpe Stiff Glimmer Felt, with glitter all over it.  Would this stuff work?  Is there any reason to avoid the glittery stuff besides getting covered in glitter?  I also found the sticky ones, but I thought that might limit  GE too much (I hadn't read the whole thread yet...apparently the sticky felt works fine).

    Also, there seems to be some disagreement whether to cover the jars in tin-foil or not while in the PC.  What do you suggest?  I'm not going to be stacking any jars in the PC because it is too small.





    Don't use sticky felt. Not sure about the glitter type. I did a test and a write up about this stuff, its in my journal if you're interested.




    Thanks for the reply.  Good job testing the various filters.  After some more searching I finally came across some Friendly Felt, at Joann's, so I don't need to chance anything by trying the glittery crap.

    For those people who have used Easy Felt successfully, do you cover your jars with foil while in the PC?


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    Re: Easy Felt Tek [Re: SporeNewb]
        #16210944 - 05/10/12 04:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

    no matter what lid i just .I always cover my lids with foil


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    always cover my lids


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        #17273517 - 11/24/12 12:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

    dope thread will def be using this.  so i can use felt instead of polyfill on the monotub?


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    Yes. But it's not adjustable like polyfil.


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        #18397808 - 06/10/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

    I am very interested in using ez felt on my tubs as I use it on my jars and am 145/145 clean 100% colonized following your method.  :cheers:  What size holes are you using on your 60-75 qt range tubs?  It looks like maybe 2.5-3"?


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        #18598815 - 07/23/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

    what happens if you use felt instead of stiff felt like EZ FELT? i feel like felt paper may be more accessible than stiff felt...One is stiff, the other isnt..

    I saw felt paper with the same certification "ECO-FI". It just means its made out of recycled plastics..

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        #18599027 - 07/23/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

    Eco-fi is the same stuff.


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        #18599659 - 07/23/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

    thanks. im amazed at the kind of support this forum has towards noobs with questions.


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    Another thing I have to say about the Ez-Felt tek is that it has nothing protruding into your tub hanging over your sub possibly creating a little spot for mold to grow.  Last run I did I had 2 tubs where the sub lvl was kinda high and the holes were kinda low so the poly was pretty darn close to the sub.  Both tubs started to mold under one of the wads of poly about 1.5 weeks into 1st flush.:justfuck:  I am going to do another run soon of 8 tubs, and do 4 and 4 and do a solid pros/cons list on poly vs felt, side by side all other variables removed tub runs.  All have same amt of verm, gypsum, coffee, whatever, only difference is the filling/cover on the holes.


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    I know I'm bringing up an old thread but where do you find this easy felt stuff?


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    I'm sure it's been said a few times in here but... hobby and craft stores.  I could've sworn OP made that pretty clear. :shrug:


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        #22759902 - 01/10/16 12:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

    Look for the brand "Eco Fi" the spelling on that might be off a little.

    Edit: Eco-Fi not Eco Felt.


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    I'm sure it's been said a few times in here but... hobby and craft stores.  I could've sworn OP made that pretty clear. :shrug:



    I don't think I know any store called craft store, so I was wondering what store is a craft store. Like what a name of a craft store.... for example the name of a bulk store... bulk barn. But its all good I found some "Stiffened Felt" not "Easy Felt" on amazon. $10 for 12 sheets 12x8 good bye need for ever buying SFDs. :bow2::bow2:


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