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Is smoking weed a sin??
#14488355 - 05/21/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the latest installment of "is it a sin" threads i give u this
Is smoking weed a sin? and what about doing other drugs, and what about drinking?
I was brought to believe that weed is a Gods gift, every seed to be used and appreciated by man.
Yet these spirit guides of mine tell me not to smoke weed, do other drugs or even drink.
How come? I have no idea. I think it has something to do with the fact weed is illegal and if my family finds out i smoke againthey will not be pleased. It also seems partly because smoking is dangerous for a man with my condition (PTSD, anxity and cardio).
So according to spirit guides smoking weed is no no... but wait , there is more: it also coming to where reading or veiwing weed photos is not good iether. I bought a very good book about weed a month ago, i only got to read 1 chapter after which spirits got pissed off... so i had to hide the book and promised them not to touch it 
And the fact that my so called spiritually graduated mates smoke. And even my best buddy "same gender soul mate" smokes and grows, it is OK to them?
So, is smoking weed a sin and it is better to be sober?
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14488361 - 05/21/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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too much of anything is a sin
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Chronic7]
#14488363 - 05/21/11 04:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i havent had a good smoke in 2 - 3 years
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14488366 - 05/21/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what are you worried about then?
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Chronic7]
#14488374 - 05/21/11 04:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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its all to do with my spiritual goals man... its like i need to pass a lesson on this earth
i like to refer to my self as "power user" but these rules spirits make me follow are grinding me down
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14488397 - 05/21/11 05:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Almost forgot: i bought a expensive bottle of scotch a week ago cos i got some extra money some bonus, according to guides that is not OK with them also, even tho i use it in tiny ammounts 1 - 2 times a week
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14488417 - 05/21/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The voices in your head are wrong. Weed is awesome. Alcohol in moderation isn't bad either. If it was Jesus wouldn't have turned water into wine.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14488425 - 05/21/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, sure didn't.
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LadyLittleZeppelin said: Weed is awesome.
Thats what im saying!
I LOVE weed, its my fav entheogen. So much potential so versatile, if it was not for weed i dont know where id be now, i certainly wouldn't be spiritually educated as i am now, cos smoking weed pushed me to explore and do metaphysical things...
I cant smoke weed according to the guides, yet spiritually closed friends of mine all toke!
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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it doesn't matter what you did to get to a certain state of mind, the state of mind itself it what matters most.
if you are god when you smoke weed, then smoke weed and learn from it.
if you are god when you're on heroin, do heroin and learn from it.
everything in moderation....
but sin is all in the eye of the beholder.
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if you are god when you smoke weed, then smoke weed and learn from it.
if you are god when you're on heroin, do heroin and learn from it.
everything in moderation....
but sin is all in the eye of the beholder.
this.
everything in moderation including moderation.
i think i remember seeing that the bible says its a sin to cut youre beard if youre a man? so dont believe the bible word for word, theres a lot of writing that doesnt make any sense.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Wine and weed probably just hinder your spiritual development. This doesn't make them sins. What your friends do is irrelevant.
I hope you don't think you have to obey your spirit guides. I found it to be optional advice. I also was encouraged to give up drugs, which I have except an occasional mushroom trip.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: 1983]
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1983 said: Wine and weed probably just hinder your spiritual development.
I think this depends on how dependent of them you become. I think it's safe for recreational use just as going to the beach on vacation every so often is safe.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant] 1
#14489537 - 05/21/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lung tissue is designed for air. It should remain pink in appearance, without brown, black or white coloring (coatings of potentially carcinogenic hydrocarbons or cancerous growth). There should not be holes in the tissue, as in an emphysemic condition. Likewise, neural tissue - Purkinje and pyramidal cells of the neocortex should remain crystal clear, not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.
Intoxication had two meanings. One mean inebriation, the other means poisoning. It is usually a matter of degree between the first and second meaning. But whereas something like alcohol intoxication immediately manifests an overdose poisoning, cannabis use is gradual. I haven't used cannabis since the late 1970s, except for a 'field test' every 3-5 years when someone really wants me to taste something. I attend parties and concerts and do not imbibe. Been there, done that. It is helpful for anxiety, but I have constitutional anxiety (as a Sheldonian Cerebrotonic Meso-ectomorph), and if I choose to control it myself. I have never like anxiolytic drugs (benzodiazepines) either, and just as well. After years, their use results in tardive dyskinesia which is irreversible.
My own experience with cannabis began at age 15, and diminished my motivation for academics while yet in high school (not to mention exacerbating my constitutional introversion as well). By my 3rd college semester I dropped out to get my act together. I continued to use, but as a philosophy major, not as a pre-med major. I stopped while working on my doctorate, and I never went back. Some of my peers continued to smoke for the 40 years that I didn't, and I see apathy as manifested in their appearance, or in their social life or in their failure to complete actions for career advancement (not getting licensed, for example, and remaining in entry level positions until retirement age). I am in late middle age and I am not into courting a diminution of my brain's processing speed. I prefer a high speed cable to a low speed dial-up in my computer as well. So, I take 'smart drugs' like Piracetam & Choline, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Pramiracetam, to stay sharp, and I use Passion Flower for anxiety/depression, as needed. Bottom line is that the floaty pleasure of being stoned is not conducive to thinking, reading comprehension, meditating, or increasing my compassion. Neither does it improve relations with my Lady. It is regressive in its effect on my consciousness, causes some disorientation, forgetfulness, and makes me a hypocrite to the kids for whom I'm an addictions counselor, so I just don't use it. I believe that I am better off for it because more than anything else in my life, it was nothing more than another version of "an opiate for the people." But no, cannabis use isn't a sin unless all psychoactives are considered in the light of the New Testament to be pharmakeia, in the Greek, which is sorcery. Sorcery always utilized plant based drugs. Cannabis is not a food from a biblical perspective. For me, it is another attachment which means addiction which means the opposite of freedom. But freedom is interpreted differently by different folks. In George Orwell's 1984, "Freedom is Slavery." You decide.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
#14489538 - 05/21/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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WTF IS A SIN
I don't think I got a response from you last time OP
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What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Oweyervishice said: WTF IS A SIN
I don't think I got a response from you last time OP
well. im not 100% sure but in my view sin is something you either do against your own nature and divinity or harm others.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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OneU said: What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.
Ohhh man, i been doin magick and kabala and entehogens for years and years.
2 years ago after coming back from a holiday these spirit entities descend on me and start guiding me towards "Kingdom"
I made a post about it a lil while ago:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13605806#13605806
According to them, smoking weed, among other things, is a no no
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Hmm I read it. In my opinion you may have allowed certain entities to hitchhike. Meaning, they're hanging out in/around your aura or even your being. Now, with the heaven on Earth and within, it's about manifesting truth within and since the outer realm is a reflection of inner truth, it will project outwards creating a heaven on Earth for YOU (or whoever listens to their heart and wishes to partake on this task).
You may have noticed by now, but you can't eliminate such a powerful release (masturbation) and an old habit (smoking pot) without substituting it with something. Instead of masturbating, meditate and use that sexual energy to heal the Earth. She is our mother in this lifetime after all and if you have this powerful sexual energy that heals and it is bugging you, it only makes sense to release it in an efficient way (art works well too).
Now, with pot, I get what they mean because I haven't smoked ganja in a while as well or anything altering my consciousness until I can keep it purely sacred. It is a great visionary tool when used ceremonially (once every couple of weeks or so, or McKenna's once a week philosophy) but it must be kept sacred (imo). You may have been asked to detach fully from this physical realm, thus the university situation and such. I would advise you, if you so choose to listen, to set an intention and go out in nature for a few days. The intention can be anything but keep it in a certain frame of truth. Go out and ask for visions. Fast if you need to because to me, it seems a lot like these assumes spirits came to you and now it's time for you (if you truly wish to engage in their concept) to go to them. Journey into the wild. It is in every state and every country of this world. It has not yet been taken away.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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OneU said: What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.
I don't understand your question, or your comment. "2-4 years ago?" I said that I've done a field test about every 3-5 years, over a span of about 35 years. As to my personal development, of course I have continued to grow. I can gauge my progress through my professional life - how effective am I in helping kids through their problems depends on how much they trust me, which depends upon how empathic and compassionate I can be. I can discern a diminishment in chronic anxiety as I increase my capacity to 'let be.' My consciousness has therefore improved subjectively. I also receive feedback from my Lady on the objective side.
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What i do not seem to understand is, how, smoking weed, will inhibit manifestation of Kingdom of Heaven within me?
I made a list here, and i got 25 points in favour of smoking, i will post them soon
And only 3 points against smoking!! Being
1. Its illegal
2. Its dangerous ( i got PTSD - post traumatic stress disored) as well as chronic anxiety, and weed trips CAN get rough and nasty sometimes.
3. Weed inhibits Kingdom of God within...
First 2 points seem OK, its illegal i coulnt give a bigger phuk..... its dangerous yes, when you having a bad day and smoke a bong it will make things worse - be careful when u smoke and pay attention to set and settings
Its the last point that gets me. They say smoking is a no no
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Why don't you just transcend archaic ideologies and realize that the disconnection from god is only an illusion and that the kingdom of heaven already lies within you?
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: foliocb]
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foliocb said: Why don't you just transcend archaic ideologies and realize that the disconnection from god is only an illusion and that the kingdom of heaven already lies within you? 
Yes this is true but the 'obstacle' here is his assumed spirits guiding him.
Ganja is a sacred herb. It has many good uses but if you are not protected, if you do not become aware of your energy and understand that in any moment you are protected by the light of the cosmic source, it will allow entities to intrude within your being. Now, within the microcosm lies the macrocosm so these energetic patterns are already capable of manifesting on their own but an entity is a significant vibration that brings thoughts and sometimes, if fed enough, will act through your being.
Sometimes, these entities will impose laws and obstructions in your way (using YOUR energy) and deceive you (by your own choice). Ganja is one of the most 'misused' spiritual herbs in this world. It is used as an escape and when that escape leaves the reality of people (for whatever reason) they become depressed and use that as a reason to escape again which is fine and works for some people. However, you need to understand, that whatever these so called spirit helpers are bringing to you may not be valid. Ask them to speak the truth known by the highest of all things. Chant "Sat Nom" which says "Truth is my name" and see if they shift their answers or a more sincere answer flows in.
There is no spirit out here that knows better than in you. I suspect you may have a few unhealthy habits in your life and this causes a distortion in your being which leads to a distorted scenario and a distorted reception of wisdom from these assumed spirits.
They may be training you for something based on your Spirit pattern but on the other hand they very well may be using your ego to introduce images of a kingdom where there is POWER, one where you are WISE and STRONGER and ABLE to do MANY things to lure you into a loophole of power loss and after time, soul fragmentation.
Be very cautious. I can give you some pointers if this is making some sense to you to better discern but it is by your choice anything can begin or end.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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LadyLittleZeppelin said: Weed is awesome.
Thats what im saying!
I LOVE weed, its my fav entheogen. So much potential so versatile, if it was not for weed i dont know where id be now, i certainly wouldn't be spiritually educated as i am now, cos smoking weed pushed me to explore and do metaphysical things...
I cant smoke weed according to the guides, yet spiritually closed friends of mine all toke! 
fuck your guides
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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stop believing in those bullshit entities and do whatever YOU like !
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The "Kingdom of Heaven," is a reinterpreted idea from the writer known as Matthew, who, as an observant Jew, did not want to write "Kingdom of G-d," even using the word 'Adonai' [Lord]. As far as I understand it from a Gnostic perspective, the Kingdom is an ever-present Reality. It is Consciousness which exists, metaphorically, both within us and without us, because Consciousness does not exist spatially. But frankly speaking, with no intention to be insulting, your concern seems strictly delusional in nature. You are 'comparing apples to oranges,' as the expression goes. Morality, upon which your term "sin" is based does not apply. The word 'sin' in Greek is 'hamartia', and it derives from an archery metaphor. Hamartia means 'missing the mark.' It does not mean offending a 'cosmic parent' who has given us commandments to follow. Sin is more of a failure to meet a standard of behavior which reflects the Truth about Reality. If one Knows the Truth, one acts accordingly. Pretenders and poseurs easily act hypocritically because they are mindless followers of an external creed. They may be acting with conviction, but not with Understanding.
I become very unpopular around these forums when I say anything negative about cannabis, but chronic users of cannabis are merely self-medicating themselves on a regular basis in my professional opinion. Want to relieve chronic anxiety? Use the amino acid L-Theanine instead. Meditate. I have never found anything 'holy' about a clouded mind, and the most mystical thing I could say about cannabis is summed up by the title of a classical book of mysticism by an anonymous author entitled The Cloud of Unknowing. If you evidence confusion about such things as morality-ethics-legality, then I recommend NOT using cannabis because it does not lend itself to clarity of neurons or of thinking. Personally, I have never learned anything from cannabis that changed my life for the better, and all I can do is be honest about that, even if I found hashish (in particular) to be quite pleasurable. There is a real reason why ascetics, hell-bent on uncovering Truth/Reality, regulate pleasure. It is obvious from observing heroin/cocaine addicts that too much pleasure results not in 'real fun,' but in a funeral. There are higher pleasures than 'getting high,' in my estimation. When I was a stoner, I might laugh at someone falling down, like I was watching a slapstick comedy, instead of feeling concern and moving to assist them. In this sense, being 'high' was actually being 'low.' That much I learned from being a stoner.
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"Hamartia means 'missing the mark.'"
Thanks for help man and that ^^ is a good saying, very smart.
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Interesting stuff here...
Can u answer a few questions OP??
What reason (besides sin) do your "spirit guides" tell you why YOU should not smoke?? Sounds to me like your spirits are trying to deceive you. Hold you back.
I actually find this kind of offensive... Saying smoking herb is a sin is a lie!
I am christian (whatever that means) and I have been smoking for most of my life.
I use it for my Tai-Chi I us it for my BJJ , I use it as an aid in my meditations. It helps me think slowly when combat is super fast paced and chaotic, it helps me stay calm in a situation designed for stress and fatigue.
from wiki
Sadhus are not unified in their practices. Some live in the mountains alone for years at a time, eating only a few bananas.[citation needed] Others walk around with one hand in the air for decades. Still others partake in the religious consumption of charas (hand-made cannabis hashish) and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I become very unpopular around these forums when I say anything negative about cannabis, but chronic users of cannabis are merely self-medicating themselves on a regular basis in my professional opinion.
Self medicating is what it is called now in California and that is why it is legal. One of the few good things left about our country is walking in a store and buying your favorite hash IMO
Everybody is different and everyone is going to react differently to different strains...
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Are you saying then that weed clouds all minds or just yours?? It sounds to me like the one who wrote that book smokes too much indica. Sativa based strains have an uplifting effect a more cerebral high and usually don't last as long.
Marijuana has become a major part of my life just like eating breakfast. I find it a delicacy and one of the most enjoyable aspects of being alive. Growing this plant has taught me things that just smoking never could.
IMO what matters is how YOU feel when YOU smoke it if you like it GREAT!! If you feel weird or gross SORRY!! Its not for everyone!
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" others partake in the religious consumption of charas (hand-made cannabis hashish) and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God."
Hah! Thats interesting they say that, cos my most mystical experience was achieved by smoking weed and activating some unused parts of my brain and upper chakras... it was very mystical, it touched me, it really did, and how it was suggested on another forum i think, if it touched u - it can not be a lie/demon
As for the reason, they dont provide any reason, other than saying "it is better sober" and "drugs are bad" and stuff, and if i smoke - good bye spiritual development
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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"Marijuana has become a major part of my life just like eating breakfast. I find it a delicacy and one of the most enjoyable aspects of being alive. Growing this plant has taught me things that just smoking never could."
Dude, inetesrting u say that.
MarkostheGnostic says that weed doesnt do much. That is probably limited to his case cos world of weed is MASSIVE.
Weed is a very versatile entehogen. And due to poor quality of produce and poor administration in wrong set and settings, weed can be miss understood as a negative or "anti social" substance.
But believe me it anything but.
I forgot to mention that i have 2 very different spirtual friends around me. The ones that been here for 2 years prohibit me porn and smoking weed.
But i have spirits who been here for 10 years and say weed is fine by all means...
SOMEBODY is lieng like a little bitch here. Or maybe not. According to 10 year old spirits i already achieved spiritual height and dont need to do shit, according to new 2 year old spirits i activly must seek Fathers Kingdom! maybe thats because they can not percieve me true self
And before i forgot , Forever White Belt, if u like weed now, wait till 2012 and planet ascension man.
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Actually, it is not merely a matter of how I feel. It is a matter of how I think. It is a matter of judgement, mental or physical. It is a matter of dependency versus independence, hence personal freedom. The brain can produce anandamide if it needs to. Receptor sites only responds to cannabinoids because of the similarity to anandamide. As I wrote, I become very unpopular when I write anything negative about cannabis use, but I usually encounter abuse and dependence in the objectors, not those with simple occasional use. That is just psychologically obvious - touching a guilty nerve. Those with dependency problems usually deny and take the greatest offense. Drug Counseling 101. Use may have become epidemic in California, but I for one do not want my airline pilot, my surgeons, physicians, accountant, financial advisor, or anyone whose judgement matters to me, being a stoner. I don't want my Lady to be a stoner either, which again is my preference (and hers). She and I are compatible because neither one of us gets anything significantly useful from cannabis, and I'm certain that our physiology is not different from those who sing the praises of it. It's a choice based on personal values of physical and mental health. Spirituality is not even a consideration for us in this matter, any more than we value tobacco as a sacred plant as do several tribal societies. Cannabis users can smoke indoors, btw, but cigarette smokers have to go outside.
It may be common practice for some sadhus to use cannabis 'to commune with God,' but communing with God is what being a sadhu is all about anyway. Being stoned probably takes the edge off of a life that's already embedded in abject poverty, which includes begging and garbage picking. That's a culture I am not born into, and my observation is not a condemnation. I've been blessed to have been born into the USA where the drinking water won't kill me anywhere I go.
A chronic cannabis user no longer has a baseline of clear neurons to establish what I mean by clarity. A brain suffused with cannabinoid resins does NOT work as well as one which is free of them. This is established in many studies, but if an adult (and adult brain development commences at 25) wants to use, that's OK with me as long as they are not in one of the capacities that I named. I am not offended by friends who use at our home or at their's, but I've been there and done that. I used cannabis for about 10 years, but finished with it 30 years ago. I work with adolescents whose brains are only half developed. Pot makes their grades drop down rapidly, it diminishes their interest in education because in many cases they lose all perspective and don't want to do anything that requires effort. I have a long history as an addictions counselor, and I'll never forget the 18 year old who started smoking pot at age 6. His emotional growth was damaged in the max, probably irreparably because of the critical developmental periods it interfered with.
Regardless of my regard for cannabis, I think the laws regarding it are draconian, heinous even. Any plant should be allowed to be cultivated for personal use. The government wants its taxable piece of the action. I never want to see someone in prison for anything pertaining to the cultivation, use or sale of cannabis - to adults. Like every other substance, it is harmful to children/adolescents along several developmental lines. I want to develop along certain psychospiritual lines, and that development is never going to occur if I stop working on it but settle for a counterfeit of interior peace. Similarly, my use of indole entheogens has become very rare, for exactly the same reason. I'm still a 'Fourth Way' advocate, but as Alan Watts said decades ago, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone."
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Desant: I see where you're at man. You want to smoke herb and are looking for that one reason (if it even exists) that will resonate deeper than your spirit guides. Truth is man, every single being is unique in the aspect of oneness. We are all unique expressions of one source. If you wish to smoke this plant, do so. I believe you need to think bigger than your spirit guides but if they have not lead you astray, disregarding their knowledge is most foolish.
Use your heart man. No one here, including me, is going to know if it's wise or a good idea for you to smoke it or not. It's about you, brother, not me or anyone else here. It's about you and your truth. You.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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Thats interesting u mention emotional development of that 6 year old who started smoking pot.
If it is down to me, i dont want my children smoking pot under the age of 16, if at all, because brain matures from 18 - 30 years of age
but smoking from 6 is just wrong man, unless he wants to be full time hippie and leave as an outsider
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MarkostheGnostic said: Lung tissue is designed for air. It should remain pink in appearance, without brown, black or white coloring (coatings of potentially carcinogenic hydrocarbons or cancerous growth). There should not be holes in the tissue, as in an emphysemic condition. Likewise, neural tissue - Purkinje and pyramidal cells of the neocortex should remain crystal clear, not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.
Intoxication had two meanings. One mean inebriation, the other means poisoning. It is usually a matter of degree between the first and second meaning. But whereas something like alcohol intoxication immediately manifests an overdose poisoning, cannabis use is gradual. I haven't used cannabis since the late 1970s, except for a 'field test' every 3-5 years when someone really wants me to taste something. I attend parties and concerts and do not imbibe. Been there, done that. It is helpful for anxiety, but I have constitutional anxiety (as a Sheldonian Cerebrotonic Meso-ectomorph), and if I choose to control it myself. I have never like anxiolytic drugs (benzodiazepines) either, and just as well. After years, their use results in tardive dyskinesia which is irreversible.
My own experience with cannabis began at age 15, and diminished my motivation for academics while yet in high school (not to mention exacerbating my constitutional introversion as well). By my 3rd college semester I dropped out to get my act together. I continued to use, but as a philosophy major, not as a pre-med major. I stopped while working on my doctorate, and I never went back. Some of my peers continued to smoke for the 40 years that I didn't, and I see apathy as manifested in their appearance, or in their social life or in their failure to complete actions for career advancement (not getting licensed, for example, and remaining in entry level positions until retirement age). I am in late middle age and I am not into courting a diminution of my brain's processing speed. I prefer a high speed cable to a low speed dial-up in my computer as well. So, I take 'smart drugs' like Piracetam & Choline, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Pramiracetam, to stay sharp, and I use Passion Flower for anxiety/depression, as needed. Bottom line is that the floaty pleasure of being stoned is not conducive to thinking, reading comprehension, meditating, or increasing my compassion. Neither does it improve relations with my Lady. It is regressive in its effect on my consciousness, causes some disorientation, forgetfulness, and makes me a hypocrite to the kids for whom I'm an addictions counselor, so I just don't use it. I believe that I am better off for it because more than anything else in my life, it was nothing more than another version of "an opiate for the people." But no, cannabis use isn't a sin unless all psychoactives are considered in the light of the New Testament to be pharmakeia, in the Greek, which is sorcery. Sorcery always utilized plant based drugs. Cannabis is not a food from a biblical perspective. For me, it is another attachment which means addiction which means the opposite of freedom. But freedom is interpreted differently by different folks. In George Orwell's 1984, "Freedom is Slavery." You decide.
Great post man
Sometimes I feel like I'm a prisoner to my own cannabinoid addiction. For example if I have a number of different substances at once including hallucinogens, dissociatives, benzos, opiates, stimulants and weed I can abstain from everything other than weed. I would compulsively take it, roll a joint and get stoned and not doing anything productive till the end of the day when I fall asleep.
Im trying to save it for tripping or whenever I'm on other drugs. It is as if my endocannabinoid system has been abused too many times and now I have little control over it
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: mellowparty]
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A piece of interesting information came to me just now walking the dog
There are 2 principle entities who forbid me use of drugs: a shaman lady who i known for 9 years and spirit guides of unknown rank.
Well, back in 2007 i had experience with lead angels, they did not know my true identity who i am and where i am from!! But they realised that.
These two, mentioned above treat me like im a standard soul who needs standard experiences and lessons. That is not the case. If angels were wrong, then these 2 are very wrong, but dont realise it, following me?
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Send them away man. You seem to be over-complicating things. There is no process to get from step 1 to step 4 (eg: step 1, 2, 3, then 4). Just go to step 4. Send them away in Love and Light. Thank them, Love them and send them away in peace. YOU have the power. They are spirits. You have the body and manifested existence into this realm. Without your will and acceptance, they cannot do anything in your reality. You are allowing this on some level.
Sit in silence, breathe deeply and slowly and communicate to them that you no longer wish them to be in your reality. Free them from your world and move on. If that is what you choose.
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MarkostheGnostic said: not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.
For some reason I always thought that weed intake would actually reduce the amount of lipofuscin in the senile brain.
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MarkostheGnostic said: not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.
For some reason I always thought that weed intake would actually reduce the amount of lipofuscin in the senile brain.
Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex? They're visibly different. The brain does not need to suffer from dementias, senile or presenile, if we take care of it. Of course the genetic predisposition NOT to develop Alzheimer's is important, but alcoholic shrinkage, for example, is self-imposed. We can use Piracetam/Choline, Acetyl L-Carnitine, vitamin antioxidants, to counteract the oxidation of lipofuscin, and importantly, continue to read, think, remember.
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Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex?
I have a histopathological collection of brain samples, but I have not found one that comes from a heavy cannabis user. Can you point me to some microphotographs of such a cortex? Now I think it might have been piracetam that reduces the amount of lipofuscin. But isn't drinking it on a constant basis holding some hazards?
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I cannot argue about the science, but while your point is well taken I find it extremely off the mark. For one thing the health reason. I have to say again do you know what kind of extreme level of physical fitness I have to be in to compete in mixed martial arts?? I couldn't be in any better shape and I smoke like a chimney! .There are many extremely competent athletes who 'use' but then could I argue that my physiology IS different?? A long distance endurance runner who trains for four to six hours a day is not your typical smoker.
Second. Who is to say that someone from anyone of those professions you listed can't use when they get off of work? Yea , obviously I would not want my financial adviser stoned. But maybe I do want my video game developer or my comic book designer, dance teacher , Martial Arts instructor (<--- hint hint)or any other profession like entertainment or technology that involves money that I invest in where creativity is a key aspect. Also what about people who use for health reasons like cancer patients.? In my experience as a cultivator of medicinal cannabis is that your lawyer or your physician is the one buying but these people are already highly educated.
Then I have to address the extremely negative social stigmas especially in the career environment and workplace.I am glad that your views on the law and mine are very similar but do away with all these old ideas of "users" "stoners" "pot heads" if you had any idea about why the laws are progressing the way they are in California its because these are just that stereotypes. I am not going to disagree with anything about abuse kids should never have access to something like this let alone be taught how to smoke it by an adult.
I finally like to address just the pure enjoyment of rolling a nice blunt of some extremely fine kushy sativa blend that smells just like the deep woods with a citrusy haze crumbling up some creamy peanut buttery chocolate hash just after a big meal or before the big workout. It becomes much more like fine wine there are so many aspects that can be experienced.
Weed addiction is harmless IMO I would much rather have my airpilot high then snorted out or hopped up on pills or drunk off his ass just because those things are socially accepted in our culture and not looked down upon. But got forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight.
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Weed addiction is harmless IMO I would much rather have my airpilot high then snorted out or hopped up on pills or drunk off his ass just because those things are socially accepted in our culture and not looked down upon. But got forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight.
(A) Addiction. All addiction is pathological. Addiction = slavery. That is my opinion, regardless of the trigger: food, drink, drugs, sex, sports, gambling, fighting, violence, serial killing, sadism, masochism, etc., etc. Not all addictions amount to serial killing, but all addictions are intrinsically opposite to freedom and non-attachment. I live in the Middle Way to the best of my ability. I am not nearly as sensate an individual as you are, based upon 1) the sensuousness of your olfactory-gustatory description of cannabis, and 2) hand-to-hand combat. I'm almost 60 and I have had maybe one brief fight in my life. Where I live, a concealed weapon and a brief course in firearms safety precludes any need for martial arts training if one tends to look for, attract or be attracted to physical violence. Of course, there are those with a need to prove themselves, and there are those who enjoy fighting because they enjoy these kind of challenges, fortunately for law enforcement and military enlistment. But law enforcement and the military also don't want inebriated individuals in their ranks for good reasons other than the legal aspect. Impaired judgement and reaction time. BTW, as you age, you will naturally slow down. Those who take pride in physical speed find this more disheartening than those who do not. You will quite possibly find that prolonging speed will be more important to you than facilitating a premature slowing down. I'm not into courting forgetfulness - a major aspect of dementia, and maybe you won't either. Addicts are never apologetic, they are always rationalizing their behavior. At least you admit to being an addict, which is significant if you ever decide to change that status.
(B) Hypocrisy. You just contradicted yourself. I wasn't speaking to cocaine, speed, alcohol, or any genre of pills. I was addressing cannabis." But got [sic] forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight." Even YOU don't want your pilot to be stoned! Around 1982, when I was in grad school, the pilot and co-pilot were apparently cannabis users when this crash occurred, no matter what spokespeople from NORML maintain about zero airline disasters being attributable to cannabis use. Apparently, the reason the plane 'dropped' was that both pilots 'forgot' to lower their elevator flaps which catch sufficient air to give lift and engage the Bernoulli Effect. They never got sufficient lift, and instead dropped down hitting the bridge. It's this kind of forgetfulness, along with failing to fly 'by the book' - literally - looking at the flight manual and checking off each step of the take-off process. It seems that they either forgot to do that too, or just blew it off from apathy or arrogance or both.
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Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex?
I have a histopathological collection of brain samples, but I have not found one that comes from a heavy cannabis user. Can you point me to some microphotographs of such a cortex? Now I think it might have been piracetam that reduces the amount of lipofuscin. But isn't drinking it on a constant basis holding some hazards?
I saw those samples before there was an internet. No, I haven't experienced any problems with Piracetam (and Choline) 3X a week, Acetyl L-Carnitine twice a week, and Pramiracetam (which Shroomerite anominis gave me as a gift) on Saturdays sometimes. It keeps me reading for hours.
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Im glad piracetam works for you bro... I gave it a month trial and didn't get any results(and yes I used choline bitartrate and ALCAR with it)
Maybe my brains fine for now I guess Adderal is a different story though...
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I understand psychoenergizers. I learned an entire semester of Calculus I in 19 hours on prescription Dexedrine, but I was 19. One can't run a 110 volt appliance on 220 volts for long. It runs twice as fast but also burns out twice as fast.
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Unless you're the famous mathematician Paul Erdös, who took Benzedrine and Ritalin almost every day for the last twenty five years of his life (he lived until 83). He abstained from amphetamines for 30 days on a wager from a friend, but said later that his theorem production (and consequently the progress of mathematics) had suffered dramatically during that time.
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I always prided myself on getting good grades without study buddies.
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Eh, I wouldn't want my pilot to be high. No addiction is harmless IMO. I see people who smoke everyday, or multiple times a day, and it's not healthy IMO.
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Unless you're the famous mathematician Paul Erdös, who took Benzedrine and Ritalin almost every day for the last twenty five years of his life (he lived until 83). He abstained from amphetamines for 30 days on a wager from a friend, but said later that his theorem production (and consequently the progress of mathematics) had suffered dramatically during that time.
Interesting. I'm trying to increase synaptic speed from a walk to a trot, but I'm convinced that it should only gallup on occasion. Longevity is a part of my life-experiment.
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Ohhh man, i been doin magick and kabala and entehogens for years and years.
2 years ago after coming back from a holiday these spirit entities descend on me and start guiding me towards "Kingdom"
I made a post about it a lil while ago:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13605806#13605806
According to them, smoking weed, among other things, is a no no
Jalruza, is that you?
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Ever seen half baked??
the weed in 1982 was shit compared to what we have today --- those two guys are just fuckups -- trust me genetics are better than ever
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I live in the Middle Way to the best of my ability. I'm almost 60 and I have had maybe one brief fight in my life. Where I live, a concealed weapon and a brief course in firearms safety precludes any need for martial arts training if one tends to look for, attract or be attracted to physical violence. Of course, there are those with a need to prove themselves, and there are those who enjoy fighting because they enjoy these kind of challenges, fortunately for law enforcement and military enlistment.
Where I grew up if you couldn't fight you might as well stay home. The Mexicans in California are ruthless and self defense is a necessary 'evil'. I know too many people all ages, students and friends who have learned this the hard way. Sadly it usually takes you or someone you love getting robbed or jumped or both to finally come to class...In my xp its better to be safe than sorry.
In the movie Invincible Pole Fighters from Shaolin it is shown that there is also a Chamber known as the 36th Chamber. The 36th Chamber was created because the champion after passing all 35 Chambers of the Shaolin training he chose to create a new chamber. A chamber that sends a monk out into the world to teach the people the message of Shaolin.
Kinda of hard to converse with you about fighting when you don't train in it Markos!! Lets just say that weed and mushrooms have made my Brazilian Jui Jitsu and my abilitys all around increase. Evolving a martial art is no joke. Martial arts community is very prideful and stiff-necked. They hold on to tradition and form when there is no way to use it for self defense.
Either way I gave up non-attachment long ago when I chose to be a teacher Markos. I know my path I chose it. I deal with injury, permanent (like cauliflower ear) and non permanent (broken bone, torn muscle) every day of my career. I don't have to share this great knowledge I have been entrusted with. I could leave my wife, friends, family actually my brother and the only other student of my teacher is dealing with this now. But I enjoy the attachment to my wife. I love her. I am addicted. I am not her slave though any more than I am to weed.
I HAD to choose some things to enjoy in this life because after so many years of the REAL DEAL your body becomes TOTALLY unattached from this world and that has its own set of perils. been there done that. no friends no women the universe makes you a counselor. So I asked for something different and so far its all jesus.
Addiction and slavery are terms that are very negative. I have very little to no negativity in my life.
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I live in Miami, twice voted 'the most violent city on Earth,' beating Bogata, Columbia even during the coke years. I know several people who have permits to carry firearms. I do not. I like to ask a certain variety of self-proclaimed Jesus-lover what kind of gun Jesus would carry if there were guns back then. Pure sarcasm. I know people who claim to be Christians and say that they 'love their guns,' Such people are not whole, they are confused IMO. I get the Shaolin-Buddhist connection, at least the way David Carradine portrayed it. Very impressive. Completely fictional however. Like Indiana Jones in Raiders, his answer to the yokel with 2 huge scimitars, was to pull out a revolver and put him down. Easy. No training necessary. That would be my choice if I was disposed towards violence. Awareness of one's immediate surrounding is practical prevention. As for cannabis, I'm completely uninterested in use, abuse or dependency, and they're all on a continuum.
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You know, some Natives would smoke cannabis at night as one of their warrior initiations and go out into the wild to face their fears due to many reasons, one being the heightened sensory system. Other have told me it is believed to be the dream killer. I personally found much, much beauty from this plant alone. I did get addicted psychologically for some time but after breaking it, I haven't used it since. It is extremely sacred, yet very easy to misuse.
It helps with so many things but at the root of all that aide, it causes an automatic dependency while clouding your mind and your sight. It can, however, cause much wisdom to be gained as I have worked with shamans who use it on a daily basis and heave learned a great deal from them. It really is one of those things that comes down you what you seek and what level you are meant to work on.
In the end, all of these words are pointless because the true idea behind them in relation to our truth already lies in each of our hearts.
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-------------------- vi veri veniversum vivus vici What she said : "I smoke 'cos I'm hoping for an Early death AND I NEED TO CLING TO SOMETHING !"
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What's worst than smoking weed is smoking cigarettes. I mean it's a sin to commit suicide. You're killing yourself with those things. Muahahaha everybody is going to hell
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didnt Mark Twaine said: if smoking aint allowed in heaven im not coming
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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i grew out of weed a few years back, but i'm considering picking it up again. i really wanna stop drinking. i hate the calories and what it is undoubtedly doing to my body. don't get me wrong, it's not like i'm smashing a 12 a night, but i have a few almost every night. 3's my magic number - if i get nuts i might have 7-10 over the course of several hours along with a meal. it's made me a fat slob.
i would rather munch on a pot cookie and have some kava or blue lotus if i wanna take the edge off. aside from the smoke and the potential for psychological addiction, i haven't read or heard any compelling evidence to pot being bad for anyone. not like either of those are to be taken lightly, but it beats getting fat on beer. i also would like to restrict my usage to one to three times a week, but i think school and work will do that for me.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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desant said: didnt Mark Twaine said: if smoking aint allowed in heaven im not coming
he said that he'd limit his cigar smoking to one at a time. sam clemens was an o.g.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: millzy]
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I have a dear friend who has been drinking more than once a week for 20 years. This person is so, for the lack of a better word, spiritually coherent. However, this cycle of drinking (even if it's not to get drunk but just have a drink) has severely brought pain and sorrow in his life and those around him. I have seen him smoke ganja. He becomes a kinder person and a more free person. Even if he is still in a clouded reality, it is much better for him to be making a plant ally that will teach him rather than alcohol which is mostly for pleasure.
I say this only to inform you, the longer you drink, the harder (like any habit, really) it is for you to stop. Life is infinitely vast and to anchor yourself to a substance such as alcohol take so much away from it because alcohol is very dense. It keeps you down and it's mass covers a lot of open space in life.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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i've been drinking for over 20 years. i started in sixth grade. obviously not hard and often, but still, that's when i started. i don't want to stop entirely, just not so often. if i could do once a month, or every other month, i'd be more than happy. but outright quitting might not be so bad either. i quit for 6 months one time and it was incredible. maybe i will switch up to thc.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: millzy]
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Yeah he had been drinking since a young age as well. Often times when people end a very integrated habit like drinking, watching TV, smoking, etc. they don't replace it. It leaves a void in their lives and they go back to it. Drinking is one of those things I can say (for me) has no health benefits. I only drink when I feel destructive energy and need to release it. Of course, there are much better ways to do it but that's a very easy way (or eat junk food).
After drinking or doing something unhealthy, I do a liquid fast for 1-3 days. Just water and tea, sometimes juices. Liquids help flush the system. If you have an herbal store or a whole foods store, drop by and get some Ginkgo tea. Mix it with some ginger and lime and drink a couple of those a day (you can add a bit of cayenne pepper as well). It helps flush the system out. Saunas, swimming, hiking or sweat lodging also helps tremendously to purify your system.
I thank you for wanting to do this for yourself. Not many people even want to change for the healthier.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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desant said: It also seems partly because smoking is dangerous for a man with my condition (PTSD, anxity and cardio).
In medical marijuana states it's prescribed for PTSD and anxiety... and I highly doubt it'll effect your cardio more than exercising. Back on topic: No I do not think smoking weed is a sin.
God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man." (Psalm 104:14)
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Yea Genesis 1:12 I give the all the seed bearing plants and herbs to use.
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If it's a hindrance to you and you feel it separates you from the Lord at all the don't do it. I believe god gave it to us. Just don't do so much you take your mind of of the Lord. Then we are sinning.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: lsatrap]
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I think of God every time i smoke- Usually its like "jesus that was some good weed" Or " Omg i am so high"
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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First of all, there is no such thing as sin. The idea of sin was created and placed in the bible to deceive people. Let me just say this, All religions have some truths but are propaganda placed in order to keep people in a thought pattern of limited thinking. All Religions blend truth with lies to keep the people confused. THE RULERS OF OUR WORLD DO NOT WANT FREE THINKING INDIVIDUALS! THEY DO NOT WANT THOSE THEY FEEL ARE INFERIOR TO THEM TO BE MORE OR JUST AS POWERFUL AS THEY ARE! If you don't believe me, then take a hard look at these absurd times were living in. Everything is ludicrously expensive, Greed is at an all time high, promotion of misuse of sexual energy is encouraged and the truth about all the mysteries of this world and the universe is hidden. (Mystical secrets, Aliens, Monolithic Structures, UFOs, Crop Circles, Free Energy, Time Travel and More). For example, after the conquistadors first encountered the Mayans of Central America they were told to take there books of true knowledge and the Vatican told them to burn them. Why? Because the knowledge in these books would have awoken the entire planet to the wisdom of US BEING THE PRIME CREATOR AS THE ONE. REMEMBER! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND KNOWLEDGE IS PROTECTION! They don't want unity. For Ages these Elitists have been doing there best to divide, separate, isolate and conquer. There so hell bent on domination that most of these rulers have been reincarnating into the same bloodline repeatedly just so they don't lose CONTROL. At this point on Earth, nothing is truly as it seems to be. Everything is topsy turvy.
DESANT do not let any one "supposed" spirit guide tell you what to do. Free Will is a Universal Concept and you have the right to express it. There are many entities in the astral realm that will try to deceive you IF you let them. The reason Marijuana is illegal is because every time you smoke or ingest it, it raises your psychic abilities. Weed opens the gateways of the Subconscious and the Unconscious mind, thus allowing one to think more freely and creatively and it helps to raise your souls vibrational frequency. And trust me, this the elitists do not want. My advice to whoever reads this is this, Always strive to learn about anything that is Spiritual and Metaphysical. Keep your mind open and never become stuck in one belief system. It constricts the flow of energy and inhibits soul growth. Always remember that there are endless possibilities and that there are always new truths ready to be created and explored! Nothing is ever set in stone, everything can change instantly, and remember, true knowledge is true freedom and true power!
People forget that before they can truly walk in the light, they must first understand darkness and the purpose it serves. THIS is what people are so afraid of, they see the darkness around them but refuse to acknowledge that its there because of fear and complacency.
I believe it was former U.S President Woodrow Wilson who said that there is a deception so immense and so vast and so horrendous that if the people only knew what it is, they would be in utter shock and disbelief. Now it is your time to figure out what that deception is (If you don't already know) that he speaks of because its there to find, if only you'd open your eyes. REMEMBER! Some rules are meant to be broken! And we ARE the renegades of change.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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The word 'hashish,' according to some accounts, derives from an Arabic word, 'hashashin,' from which we derive the word 'assassin.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins Cannabis, like everything else, doesn't embody sacrality any more than a bottle of wine does. Wine can be used with the intention of a sacrament, or in the addicted hands of a wino. This is true of all things, and substances belong to the set of 'all things.' I have never met anyone whom I found to be particularly wise through their use of cannabis. Wisdom belongs to a higher order of logic - "wisdom-logic" as Ken Wilber terms it. Cannabis causes all manner of psychophysical alterations, but all I've ever heard were truisms that seemed profound to the stoner. It's like the classic album A Child's Garden of Grass from the late 60s where a stoned revelation goes like this: "Pickles are the only thing you can make with cucumbers!"
I have watched stoned 9th grade boys eye each other in a hallway and commence beating the shit out of each other on the spot. So much for the alleged 'peaceful easy feeling' associated with cannabis. This year an 8th grade boy had a full-fledged panic attack before school from getting off on a grass brownie. This Christmas I contacted a high school friend whom I haven't spoken to in 20 years when we had a falling out over the phone about cannabis! Now, 20 years later, the once muscular track runner, who got into a better college than I did, was 250 lbs. of flab, never married, never owned property, living in another apartment in an imaginary hub of a wheel around the college he graduated from in 1975 (but never left in his mind). He now drinks whiskey too. He works two entry-level jobs because he became too apathetic to take a licensing test, and so he still does the jobs of an as-yet unlicensed grad student with a masters degree (one of which requires sleeping at the location like a camp counselor instead of a clinical counselor). He was too apathetic to date, so he'd hire a girl from an escort service. And yes, he still smokes pot regularly. I invited him from the Northeast to warm himself in Florida, but he can neither take off from his jobs, or afford a trip down the east coast, and he's 58 years old. I know it sounds judgemental, but all I feel is sad for him because he is infirm from a fall on the ice. He fell hard and hasn't carried himself as an athlete for a very long time.
This is the kind of stuff I experience around me. Yeah, being stoned reduces anxiety, even death anxiety to some degree. That, and an appetite enhancer for chemotherapy patients are the only legitimate uses I can come up with. I don't like dependency as a condition of being. I accept air, water, food, sleep and decent housing as conditions of basic survival needs, and as higher needs I require a livelihood that provides meaning, a partner who appeals to my body and soul. But it's enough that I take two meds and several supplements just to maintain optimal health. I do not want to diminish my mental acuity like I did when I was a kid not knowing or caring. So, to each his own. Just don't get into the cockpit of the jet I need to take if you're a stoner. Oh yeah, the same thing if I need a medical diagnosis or treatment. It's a matter of trust, and I don't trust the judgement of the stoned state. Been there, done that for a critical decade, which worked against me ultimately, which is why I have some bitterness about the effect of cannabis in my own life, and why I earnestly try to steer kids away from it as part of my job.
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MarkostheGnostic said: The word 'hashish,' according to some accounts, derives from an Arabic word, 'hashashin,' from which we derive the word 'assassin.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins Cannabis, like everything else, doesn't embody sacrality any more than a bottle of wine does. Wine can be used with the intention of a sacrament, or in the addicted hands of a wino. This is true of all things, and substances belong to the set of 'all things.' I have never met anyone whom I found to be particularly wise through their use of cannabis. Wisdom belongs to a higher order of logic - "wisdom-logic" as Ken Wilber terms it. Cannabis causes all manner of psychophysical alterations, but all I've ever heard were truisms that seemed profound to the stoner. It's like the classic album A Child's Garden of Grass from the late 60s where a stoned revelation goes like this: "Pickles are the only thing you can make with cucumbers!"
I have watched stoned 9th grade boys eye each other in a hallway and commence beating the shit out of each other on the spot. So much for the alleged 'peaceful easy feeling' associated with cannabis. This year an 8th grade boy had a full-fledged panic attack before school from getting off on a grass brownie. This Christmas I contacted a high school friend whom I haven't spoken to in 20 years when we had a falling out over the phone about cannabis! Now, 20 years later, the once muscular track runner, who got into a better college than I did, was 250 lbs. of flab, never married, never owned property, living in another apartment in an imaginary hub of a wheel around the college he graduated from in 1975 (but never left in his mind). He now drinks whiskey too. He works two entry-level jobs because he became too apathetic to take a licensing test, and so he still does the jobs of an as-yet unlicensed grad student with a masters degree (one of which requires sleeping at the location like a camp counselor instead of a clinical counselor). He was too apathetic to date, so he'd hire a girl from an escort service. And yes, he still smokes pot regularly. I invited him from the Northeast to warm himself in Florida, but he can neither take off from his jobs, or afford a trip down the east coast, and he's 58 years old. I know it sounds judgemental, but all I feel is sad for him because he is infirm from a fall on the ice. He fell hard and hasn't carried himself as an athlete for a very long time.
This is the kind of stuff I experience around me. Yeah, being stoned reduces anxiety, even death anxiety to some degree. That, and an appetite enhancer for chemotherapy patients are the only legitimate uses I can come up with. I don't like dependency as a condition of being. I accept air, water, food, sleep and decent housing as conditions of basic survival needs, and as higher needs I require a livelihood that provides meaning, a partner who appeals to my body and soul. But it's enough that I take two meds and several supplements just to maintain optimal health. I do not want to diminish my mental acuity like I did when I was a kid not knowing or caring. So, to each his own. Just don't get into the cockpit of the jet I need to take if you're a stoner. Oh yeah, the same thing if I need a medical diagnosis or treatment. It's a matter of trust, and I don't trust the judgement of the stoned state. Been there, done that for a critical decade, which worked against me ultimately, which is why I have some bitterness about the effect of cannabis in my own life, and why I earnestly try to steer kids away from it as part of my job.
If someones going to be lazy and not live to their full potential then that's them... not the cannabis. I say if you can carry out your normal everyday activities and hold a good job while smoking responsibly then why should you be penalized? Feel me? All I'm saying is the weed isn't the reason why that dude didn't get his life on track, hes still struggling because he chooses to. You can't blame the marijuana, I've seen plenty of people smoke and have a successful life.
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Psychedelic substances inspire me to capture the divine in the mundane--thus raising my belief in the spirit of brahman, dhammakaya, that all binds us.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
#14539850 - 05/31/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude how do you know how ganja makes him feel vs drink?
sounds like conjecture if you ask me.
everything is subjective.
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yea but if life is lived moment to moment (which it is), as long as you aren't suffering that exact moment, does it really matter how you got yourself to be so content?
if i feel better momentarily high than i do sober, does it really matter, moment to moment?
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desert father said: yea but if life is lived moment to moment (which it is), as long as you aren't suffering that exact moment, does it really matter how you got yourself to be so content?
if i feel better momentarily high than i do sober, does it really matter, moment to moment?
If still water is what wants, I prefer still, clear and deep to still and mud-choked. The same with my neurons. And, stillness from Realization of the Ever-Present is what I choose to derive peace from, not material tampering with the physical apparatus, be it from cannabis, opiates, benzodiazepines or Ketracel White. A professor of mine - Egyptologist Bob Brier - once asked the class if they could have an electrical implant in their pleasure-center (Cingulate gyrus?), to be stimulated by a wireless signal, would they. I said no, because the LSD I was taking regularly was not about the pleasure system like, say, cocaine was. I sought, and still seek transcendence over my base nature, not an aggrandizement of it like the typical egocentric, hedonic-motivated worldling. This no longer means ascetical behavior for me: celibacy, sleeping on a hard floor, vegetable diet, etc., but it does mean moderation while honoring the motives of my animal nature, not inflating them.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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