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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
    #14499043 - 05/23/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Send them away man. You seem to be over-complicating things. There is no process to get from step 1 to step 4 (eg: step 1, 2, 3, then 4). Just go to step 4. Send them away in Love and Light. Thank them, Love them and send them away in peace. YOU have the power. They are spirits. You have the body and manifested existence into this realm. Without your will and acceptance, they cannot do anything in your reality. You are allowing this on some level.

Sit in silence, breathe deeply and slowly and communicate to them that you no longer wish them to be in your reality. Free them from your world and move on. If that is what you choose.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14499279 - 05/23/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.



For some reason I always thought that weed intake would actually reduce the amount of lipofuscin in the senile brain.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14499654 - 05/23/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.



For some reason I always thought that weed intake would actually reduce the amount of lipofuscin in the senile brain.




Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex? They're visibly different. The brain does not need to suffer from dementias, senile or presenile, if we take care of it. Of course the genetic predisposition NOT to develop Alzheimer's is important, but alcoholic shrinkage, for example, is self-imposed. We can use Piracetam/Choline, Acetyl L-Carnitine, vitamin antioxidants, to counteract the oxidation of lipofuscin, and importantly, continue to read, think, remember.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14499737 - 05/23/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex?



I have a histopathological collection of brain samples, but I have not found one that comes from a heavy cannabis user. Can you point me to some microphotographs of such a cortex?
Now I think it might have been piracetam that reduces the amount of lipofuscin. But isn't drinking it on a constant basis holding some hazards?


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14499765 - 05/23/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Actually, it is not merely a matter of how I feel. It is a matter of how I think. It is a matter of judgement, mental or physical. It is a matter of dependency versus independence, hence personal freedom. The brain can produce anandamide if it needs to. Receptor sites only responds to cannabinoids because of the similarity to anandamide. As I wrote, I become very unpopular when I write anything negative about cannabis use, but I usually encounter abuse and dependence in the objectors, not those with simple occasional use. That is just psychologically obvious - touching a guilty nerve. Those with dependency problems usually deny and take the greatest offense. Drug Counseling 101. Use may have become epidemic in California, but I for one do not want my airline pilot, my surgeons, physicians, accountant, financial advisor, or anyone whose judgement matters to me, being a stoner. I don't want my Lady to be a stoner either, which again is my preference (and hers). She and I are compatible because neither one of us gets anything significantly useful from cannabis, and I'm certain that our physiology is not different from those who sing the praises of it. It's a choice based on personal values of physical and mental health. Spirituality is not even a consideration for us in this matter, any more than we value tobacco as a sacred plant as do several tribal societies. Cannabis users can smoke indoors, btw, but cigarette smokers have to go outside.





I cannot argue about the science, but while your point is well taken I find it extremely off the mark. For one thing the health reason. I have to say again do you know what kind of extreme level of physical fitness I have to be in to compete in mixed martial arts?? I couldn't be in any better shape and I smoke like a chimney!
.There are many extremely competent athletes who 'use' but then could I argue that my physiology IS different?? A long distance endurance runner who trains for four to six hours a day is not your typical smoker.

  Second. Who is to say that someone from anyone of those professions you listed can't use when they get off of work? Yea , obviously I would not want my financial adviser stoned. But maybe I do want my video game developer or my comic book designer, dance teacher , Martial Arts instructor (<--- hint hint)or any other profession like entertainment or technology that involves money that I invest in where creativity is a key aspect. Also what about people who use for health reasons like cancer patients.? In my experience as a cultivator of medicinal cannabis  is that your lawyer or your physician is the one buying but these people are already highly educated.

Then I have to address the extremely negative social stigmas especially in the career environment and workplace.I am glad that your views on the law and mine are very similar but do away with all these old ideas of "users" "stoners" "pot heads" if you had any idea about why the laws are progressing the way they are in California its because these are just that stereotypes. I am not going to disagree with anything about abuse kids should never have access to something like this let alone be taught how to smoke it by an adult.

I finally like to address just the pure enjoyment of rolling a nice blunt of some extremely fine kushy sativa blend that smells just like the deep woods with a citrusy haze crumbling up some creamy peanut buttery chocolate hash just after a big meal or before the big workout. It becomes much more like fine wine there are so many aspects that can be experienced.

Weed addiction is harmless IMO I would much rather have my airpilot high then snorted out or hopped up on pills or drunk off his ass just because those things are socially accepted in our culture and not looked down upon. But got forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14500095 - 05/23/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14505153 - 05/24/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Weed addiction is harmless IMO I would much rather have my airpilot high then snorted out or hopped up on pills or drunk off his ass just because those things are socially accepted in our culture and not looked down upon. But got forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight.

(A) Addiction. All addiction is pathological. Addiction = slavery. That is my opinion, regardless of the trigger: food, drink, drugs, sex, sports, gambling,  fighting, violence, serial killing, sadism, masochism, etc., etc. Not all addictions amount to serial killing, but all addictions are intrinsically opposite to freedom and non-attachment. I live in the Middle Way to the best of my ability. I am not nearly as sensate an individual as you are, based upon 1) the sensuousness of your olfactory-gustatory description of cannabis, and 2) hand-to-hand combat. I'm almost 60 and I have had maybe one brief fight in my life. Where I live, a concealed weapon and a brief course in firearms safety precludes any need for martial arts training if one tends to look for, attract or be attracted to physical violence. Of course, there are those with a need to prove themselves, and there are those who enjoy fighting because they enjoy these kind of challenges, fortunately for law enforcement and military enlistment. But law enforcement and the military also don't want inebriated individuals in their ranks for good reasons other than the legal aspect. Impaired judgement and reaction time. BTW, as you age, you will naturally slow down. Those who take pride in physical speed find this more disheartening than those who do not. You will quite possibly find that prolonging speed will be more important to you than facilitating a premature slowing down. I'm not into courting forgetfulness - a major aspect of dementia, and maybe you won't either. Addicts are never apologetic, they are always rationalizing their behavior. At least you admit to being an addict, which is significant if you ever decide to change that status.

(B) Hypocrisy. You just contradicted yourself. I wasn't speaking to cocaine, speed, alcohol, or any genre of pills. I was addressing cannabis." But got [sic] forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight." Even YOU don't want your pilot to be stoned! Around 1982, when I was in grad school, the pilot and co-pilot were apparently cannabis users when this crash occurred, no matter what spokespeople from NORML maintain about zero airline disasters being attributable to cannabis use. Apparently, the reason the plane 'dropped' was that both pilots 'forgot' to lower their elevator flaps which catch sufficient air to give lift and engage the Bernoulli Effect. They never got sufficient lift, and instead dropped down hitting the bridge. It's this kind of forgetfulness, along with failing to fly 'by the book' - literally - looking at the flight manual and checking off each step of the take-off process. It seems that they either forgot to do that too, or just blew it off from apathy or arrogance or both.



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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14505201 - 05/24/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well microscopist, have you ever looked at microtome sections of chronic cannabis user's cortex?



I have a histopathological collection of brain samples, but I have not found one that comes from a heavy cannabis user. Can you point me to some microphotographs of such a cortex?
Now I think it might have been piracetam that reduces the amount of lipofuscin. But isn't drinking it on a constant basis holding some hazards?




I saw those samples before there was an internet.
No, I haven't experienced any problems with Piracetam (and Choline) 3X a week, Acetyl L-Carnitine twice a week, and Pramiracetam (which Shroomerite anominis gave me as a gift) on Saturdays sometimes. It keeps me reading for hours.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14505534 - 05/24/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im glad piracetam works for you bro... I gave it a month trial and didn't get any results(and yes I used choline bitartrate and ALCAR with it)

Maybe my brains fine for now I guess :shrug: Adderal is a different story though... :banhamster:


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: foliocb]
    #14506960 - 05/24/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I understand psychoenergizers. I learned an entire semester of Calculus I in 19 hours on prescription Dexedrine, but I was 19. One can't run a 110 volt appliance on 220 volts for long. It runs twice as fast but also burns out twice as fast.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14507525 - 05/24/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand psychoenergizers. I learned an entire semester of Calculus I in 19 hours on prescription Dexedrine, but I was 19. One can't run a 110 volt appliance on 220 volts for long. It runs twice as fast but also burns out twice as fast.




Unless you're the famous mathematician Paul Erdös, who took Benzedrine and Ritalin almost every day for the last twenty five years of his life (he lived until 83).  He abstained from amphetamines for 30 days on a wager from a friend, but said later that his theorem production (and consequently the progress of mathematics) had suffered dramatically during that time.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: deCypher]
    #14507670 - 05/24/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I always prided myself on getting good grades without study buddies.  :snub:


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14508975 - 05/25/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed addiction is harmless IMO I would much rather have my airpilot high then snorted out or hopped up on pills or drunk off his ass just because those things are socially accepted in our culture and not looked down upon. But got forbid he smokes a j before a long flight so he can keep his hands steady and fly straight.





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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
    #14509303 - 05/25/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Eh, I wouldn't want my pilot to be high. :shrug: No addiction is harmless IMO. I see people who smoke everyday, or multiple times a day, and it's not healthy IMO.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: deCypher]
    #14511384 - 05/25/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand psychoenergizers. I learned an entire semester of Calculus I in 19 hours on prescription Dexedrine, but I was 19. One can't run a 110 volt appliance on 220 volts for long. It runs twice as fast but also burns out twice as fast.




Unless you're the famous mathematician Paul Erdös, who took Benzedrine and Ritalin almost every day for the last twenty five years of his life (he lived until 83).  He abstained from amphetamines for 30 days on a wager from a friend, but said later that his theorem production (and consequently the progress of mathematics) had suffered dramatically during that time.




Interesting. I'm trying to increase synaptic speed from a walk to a trot, but I'm convinced that it should only gallup on occasion. Longevity is a part of my life-experiment.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
    #14512716 - 05/25/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.





Ohhh man, i been doin magick and kabala and entehogens for years and years.

2 years ago after coming back from a holiday these spirit entities descend on me and start guiding me towards "Kingdom"

I made a post about it a lil while ago:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13605806#13605806

According to them, smoking weed, among other things, is a no no



Jalruza, is that you?:lol:


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14512785 - 05/25/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ever seen half baked??




the weed in 1982 was shit compared to what we have today --- those two guys are just fuckups -- trust me genetics are better than ever

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I live in the Middle Way to the best of my ability.  I'm almost 60 and I have had maybe one brief fight in my life. Where I live, a concealed weapon and a brief course in firearms safety precludes any need for martial arts training if one tends to look for, attract or be attracted to physical violence. Of course, there are those with a need to prove themselves, and there are those who enjoy fighting because they enjoy these kind of challenges, fortunately for law enforcement and military enlistment.





Where I grew up if you couldn't fight you might as well stay home. The Mexicans in California are ruthless and self defense is a necessary 'evil'. I know too many people all ages, students and friends who have learned this the hard way. Sadly it usually takes you or someone you love getting robbed or jumped or both to finally come to class...In my xp its better to be safe than sorry.

In the movie Invincible Pole Fighters from Shaolin it is shown that there is also a Chamber known as the 36th Chamber. The 36th Chamber was created because the champion after passing all 35 Chambers of the Shaolin training he chose to create a new chamber. A chamber that sends a monk out into the world to teach the people the message of Shaolin. 

Kinda of hard to converse with you about fighting when you don't train in it Markos!! Lets just say that weed and mushrooms have made my Brazilian Jui Jitsu and my abilitys all around increase. Evolving a martial art is no joke. Martial arts community is very prideful and stiff-necked. They hold on to tradition and form when there is no way to use it for self defense.

Either way  I gave up non-attachment long ago when I chose to be a teacher Markos. I know my path I chose it. I deal with injury, permanent (like cauliflower ear) and non permanent (broken bone, torn muscle) every day of my career. I don't have to share this great knowledge I have been entrusted with. I could leave my wife, friends, family actually my brother and the only other student of my teacher is dealing with this now. But I enjoy the attachment to my wife. I love her. I am addicted. I am not her slave though any more than I am to weed. 

I HAD to choose some things to enjoy in this life because after so many years of the REAL DEAL your body becomes TOTALLY unattached from this world and that has its own set of perils. been there done that. no friends no women the universe makes you a counselor. So I asked for something different and so far its all jesus.

Addiction and slavery are terms that are very negative. I have very little to no negativity in my life.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14517231 - 05/26/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I live in Miami, twice voted 'the most violent city on Earth,' beating Bogata, Columbia even during the coke years. I know several people who have permits to carry firearms. I do not. I like to ask a certain variety of self-proclaimed Jesus-lover what kind of gun Jesus would carry if there were guns back then. Pure sarcasm. I know people who claim to be Christians and say that they 'love their guns,' Such people are not whole, they are confused IMO. I get the Shaolin-Buddhist connection, at least the way David Carradine portrayed it. Very impressive. Completely fictional however. Like Indiana Jones in Raiders, his answer to the yokel with 2 huge scimitars, was to pull out a revolver and put him down. Easy. No training necessary. That would be my choice if I was disposed towards violence. Awareness of one's immediate surrounding is practical prevention. As for cannabis, I'm completely uninterested in use, abuse or dependency, and they're all on a continuum.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14517344 - 05/26/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You know, some Natives would smoke cannabis at night as one of their warrior initiations and go out into the wild to face their fears due to many reasons, one being the heightened sensory system. Other have told me it is believed to be the dream killer. I personally found much, much beauty from this plant alone. I did get addicted psychologically for some time but after breaking it, I haven't used it since. It is extremely sacred, yet very easy to misuse.

It helps with so many things but at the root of all that aide, it causes an automatic dependency while clouding your mind and your sight. It can, however, cause much wisdom to be gained as I have worked with shamans who use it on a daily basis and heave learned a great deal from them. It really is one of those things that comes down you what you seek and what level you are meant to work on.

In the end, all of these words are pointless because the true idea behind them in relation to our truth already lies in each of our hearts.


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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14520384 - 05/27/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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