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if you are god when you're on heroin, do heroin and learn from it.
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WTF IS A SIN
I don't think I got a response from you last time OP
well. im not 100% sure but in my view sin is something you either do against your own nature and divinity or harm others.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.
Ohhh man, i been doin magick and kabala and entehogens for years and years.
2 years ago after coming back from a holiday these spirit entities descend on me and start guiding me towards "Kingdom"
I made a post about it a lil while ago:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13605806#13605806
According to them, smoking weed, among other things, is a no no
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Hmm I read it. In my opinion you may have allowed certain entities to hitchhike. Meaning, they're hanging out in/around your aura or even your being. Now, with the heaven on Earth and within, it's about manifesting truth within and since the outer realm is a reflection of inner truth, it will project outwards creating a heaven on Earth for YOU (or whoever listens to their heart and wishes to partake on this task).
You may have noticed by now, but you can't eliminate such a powerful release (masturbation) and an old habit (smoking pot) without substituting it with something. Instead of masturbating, meditate and use that sexual energy to heal the Earth. She is our mother in this lifetime after all and if you have this powerful sexual energy that heals and it is bugging you, it only makes sense to release it in an efficient way (art works well too).
Now, with pot, I get what they mean because I haven't smoked ganja in a while as well or anything altering my consciousness until I can keep it purely sacred. It is a great visionary tool when used ceremonially (once every couple of weeks or so, or McKenna's once a week philosophy) but it must be kept sacred (imo). You may have been asked to detach fully from this physical realm, thus the university situation and such. I would advise you, if you so choose to listen, to set an intention and go out in nature for a few days. The intention can be anything but keep it in a certain frame of truth. Go out and ask for visions. Fast if you need to because to me, it seems a lot like these assumes spirits came to you and now it's time for you (if you truly wish to engage in their concept) to go to them. Journey into the wild. It is in every state and every country of this world. It has not yet been taken away.
Love you brother. Blessings.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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What happened in your life 2-4 years ago that is significant? Seems like it changed a lot of your habits but not necessarily your consciousness for the better.
I don't understand your question, or your comment. "2-4 years ago?" I said that I've done a field test about every 3-5 years, over a span of about 35 years. As to my personal development, of course I have continued to grow. I can gauge my progress through my professional life - how effective am I in helping kids through their problems depends on how much they trust me, which depends upon how empathic and compassionate I can be. I can discern a diminishment in chronic anxiety as I increase my capacity to 'let be.' My consciousness has therefore improved subjectively. I also receive feedback from my Lady on the objective side.
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What i do not seem to understand is, how, smoking weed, will inhibit manifestation of Kingdom of Heaven within me?
I made a list here, and i got 25 points in favour of smoking, i will post them soon
And only 3 points against smoking!! Being
1. Its illegal
2. Its dangerous ( i got PTSD - post traumatic stress disored) as well as chronic anxiety, and weed trips CAN get rough and nasty sometimes.
3. Weed inhibits Kingdom of God within...
First 2 points seem OK, its illegal i coulnt give a bigger phuk..... its dangerous yes, when you having a bad day and smoke a bong it will make things worse - be careful when u smoke and pay attention to set and settings
Its the last point that gets me. They say smoking is a no no 
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Why don't you just transcend archaic ideologies and realize that the disconnection from god is only an illusion and that the kingdom of heaven already lies within you? 
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: foliocb]
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Why don't you just transcend archaic ideologies and realize that the disconnection from god is only an illusion and that the kingdom of heaven already lies within you?
Yes this is true but the 'obstacle' here is his assumed spirits guiding him.
Ganja is a sacred herb. It has many good uses but if you are not protected, if you do not become aware of your energy and understand that in any moment you are protected by the light of the cosmic source, it will allow entities to intrude within your being. Now, within the microcosm lies the macrocosm so these energetic patterns are already capable of manifesting on their own but an entity is a significant vibration that brings thoughts and sometimes, if fed enough, will act through your being.
Sometimes, these entities will impose laws and obstructions in your way (using YOUR energy) and deceive you (by your own choice). Ganja is one of the most 'misused' spiritual herbs in this world. It is used as an escape and when that escape leaves the reality of people (for whatever reason) they become depressed and use that as a reason to escape again which is fine and works for some people. However, you need to understand, that whatever these so called spirit helpers are bringing to you may not be valid. Ask them to speak the truth known by the highest of all things. Chant "Sat Nom" which says "Truth is my name" and see if they shift their answers or a more sincere answer flows in.
There is no spirit out here that knows better than in you. I suspect you may have a few unhealthy habits in your life and this causes a distortion in your being which leads to a distorted scenario and a distorted reception of wisdom from these assumed spirits.
They may be training you for something based on your Spirit pattern but on the other hand they very well may be using your ego to introduce images of a kingdom where there is POWER, one where you are WISE and STRONGER and ABLE to do MANY things to lure you into a loophole of power loss and after time, soul fragmentation.
Be very cautious. I can give you some pointers if this is making some sense to you to better discern but it is by your choice anything can begin or end.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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Weed is awesome.
Thats what im saying!
I LOVE weed, its my fav entheogen. So much potential so versatile, if it was not for weed i dont know where id be now, i certainly wouldn't be spiritually educated as i am now, cos smoking weed pushed me to explore and do metaphysical things...
I cant smoke weed according to the guides, yet spiritually closed friends of mine all toke! 
fuck your guides
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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stop believing in those bullshit entities and do whatever YOU like !
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The "Kingdom of Heaven," is a reinterpreted idea from the writer known as Matthew, who, as an observant Jew, did not want to write "Kingdom of G-d," even using the word 'Adonai' [Lord]. As far as I understand it from a Gnostic perspective, the Kingdom is an ever-present Reality. It is Consciousness which exists, metaphorically, both within us and without us, because Consciousness does not exist spatially. But frankly speaking, with no intention to be insulting, your concern seems strictly delusional in nature. You are 'comparing apples to oranges,' as the expression goes. Morality, upon which your term "sin" is based does not apply. The word 'sin' in Greek is 'hamartia', and it derives from an archery metaphor. Hamartia means 'missing the mark.' It does not mean offending a 'cosmic parent' who has given us commandments to follow. Sin is more of a failure to meet a standard of behavior which reflects the Truth about Reality. If one Knows the Truth, one acts accordingly. Pretenders and poseurs easily act hypocritically because they are mindless followers of an external creed. They may be acting with conviction, but not with Understanding.
I become very unpopular around these forums when I say anything negative about cannabis, but chronic users of cannabis are merely self-medicating themselves on a regular basis in my professional opinion. Want to relieve chronic anxiety? Use the amino acid L-Theanine instead. Meditate. I have never found anything 'holy' about a clouded mind, and the most mystical thing I could say about cannabis is summed up by the title of a classical book of mysticism by an anonymous author entitled The Cloud of Unknowing. If you evidence confusion about such things as morality-ethics-legality, then I recommend NOT using cannabis because it does not lend itself to clarity of neurons or of thinking. Personally, I have never learned anything from cannabis that changed my life for the better, and all I can do is be honest about that, even if I found hashish (in particular) to be quite pleasurable. There is a real reason why ascetics, hell-bent on uncovering Truth/Reality, regulate pleasure. It is obvious from observing heroin/cocaine addicts that too much pleasure results not in 'real fun,' but in a funeral. There are higher pleasures than 'getting high,' in my estimation. When I was a stoner, I might laugh at someone falling down, like I was watching a slapstick comedy, instead of feeling concern and moving to assist them. In this sense, being 'high' was actually being 'low.' That much I learned from being a stoner.
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"Hamartia means 'missing the mark.'"
Thanks for help man and that ^^ is a good saying, very smart.
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Interesting stuff here...
Can u answer a few questions OP??
What reason (besides sin) do your "spirit guides" tell you why YOU should not smoke?? Sounds to me like your spirits are trying to deceive you. Hold you back.
I actually find this kind of offensive... Saying smoking herb is a sin is a lie!
I am christian (whatever that means) and I have been smoking for most of my life.
I use it for my Tai-Chi I us it for my BJJ , I use it as an aid in my meditations. It helps me think slowly when combat is super fast paced and chaotic, it helps me stay calm in a situation designed for stress and fatigue.
from wiki
Sadhus are not unified in their practices. Some live in the mountains alone for years at a time, eating only a few bananas.[citation needed] Others walk around with one hand in the air for decades. Still others partake in the religious consumption of charas (hand-made cannabis hashish) and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God.
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I become very unpopular around these forums when I say anything negative about cannabis, but chronic users of cannabis are merely self-medicating themselves on a regular basis in my professional opinion.
Self medicating is what it is called now in California and that is why it is legal. One of the few good things left about our country is walking in a store and buying your favorite hash IMO
Everybody is different and everyone is going to react differently to different strains...
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I have never found anything 'holy' about a clouded mind, and the most mystical thing I could say about cannabis is summed up by the title of a classical book of mysticism by an anonymous author entitled The Cloud of Unknowing. If you evidence confusion about such things as morality-ethics-legality, then I recommend NOT using cannabis because it does not lend itself to clarity of neurons or of thinking
Are you saying then that weed clouds all minds or just yours?? It sounds to me like the one who wrote that book smokes too much indica. Sativa based strains have an uplifting effect a more cerebral high and usually don't last as long.
Marijuana has become a major part of my life just like eating breakfast. I find it a delicacy and one of the most enjoyable aspects of being alive. Growing this plant has taught me things that just smoking never could.
IMO what matters is how YOU feel when YOU smoke it if you like it GREAT!! If you feel weird or gross SORRY!! Its not for everyone!
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" others partake in the religious consumption of charas (hand-made cannabis hashish) and contemplate the cosmic nature and presence of God."
Hah! Thats interesting they say that, cos my most mystical experience was achieved by smoking weed and activating some unused parts of my brain and upper chakras... it was very mystical, it touched me, it really did, and how it was suggested on another forum i think, if it touched u - it can not be a lie/demon
As for the reason, they dont provide any reason, other than saying "it is better sober" and "drugs are bad" and stuff, and if i smoke - good bye spiritual development
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: desant]
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"Marijuana has become a major part of my life just like eating breakfast. I find it a delicacy and one of the most enjoyable aspects of being alive. Growing this plant has taught me things that just smoking never could."
Dude, inetesrting u say that.
MarkostheGnostic says that weed doesnt do much. That is probably limited to his case cos world of weed is MASSIVE.
Weed is a very versatile entehogen. And due to poor quality of produce and poor administration in wrong set and settings, weed can be miss understood as a negative or "anti social" substance.
But believe me it anything but.
I forgot to mention that i have 2 very different spirtual friends around me. The ones that been here for 2 years prohibit me porn and smoking weed.
But i have spirits who been here for 10 years and say weed is fine by all means...
SOMEBODY is lieng like a little bitch here. Or maybe not. According to 10 year old spirits i already achieved spiritual height and dont need to do shit, according to new 2 year old spirits i activly must seek Fathers Kingdom!  maybe thats because they can not percieve me true self
And before i forgot , Forever White Belt, if u like weed now, wait till 2012 and planet ascension man.
There is a big surprise there 
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Actually, it is not merely a matter of how I feel. It is a matter of how I think. It is a matter of judgement, mental or physical. It is a matter of dependency versus independence, hence personal freedom. The brain can produce anandamide if it needs to. Receptor sites only responds to cannabinoids because of the similarity to anandamide. As I wrote, I become very unpopular when I write anything negative about cannabis use, but I usually encounter abuse and dependence in the objectors, not those with simple occasional use. That is just psychologically obvious - touching a guilty nerve. Those with dependency problems usually deny and take the greatest offense. Drug Counseling 101. Use may have become epidemic in California, but I for one do not want my airline pilot, my surgeons, physicians, accountant, financial advisor, or anyone whose judgement matters to me, being a stoner. I don't want my Lady to be a stoner either, which again is my preference (and hers). She and I are compatible because neither one of us gets anything significantly useful from cannabis, and I'm certain that our physiology is not different from those who sing the praises of it. It's a choice based on personal values of physical and mental health. Spirituality is not even a consideration for us in this matter, any more than we value tobacco as a sacred plant as do several tribal societies. Cannabis users can smoke indoors, btw, but cigarette smokers have to go outside.
It may be common practice for some sadhus to use cannabis 'to commune with God,' but communing with God is what being a sadhu is all about anyway. Being stoned probably takes the edge off of a life that's already embedded in abject poverty, which includes begging and garbage picking. That's a culture I am not born into, and my observation is not a condemnation. I've been blessed to have been born into the USA where the drinking water won't kill me anywhere I go.
A chronic cannabis user no longer has a baseline of clear neurons to establish what I mean by clarity. A brain suffused with cannabinoid resins does NOT work as well as one which is free of them. This is established in many studies, but if an adult (and adult brain development commences at 25) wants to use, that's OK with me as long as they are not in one of the capacities that I named. I am not offended by friends who use at our home or at their's, but I've been there and done that. I used cannabis for about 10 years, but finished with it 30 years ago. I work with adolescents whose brains are only half developed. Pot makes their grades drop down rapidly, it diminishes their interest in education because in many cases they lose all perspective and don't want to do anything that requires effort. I have a long history as an addictions counselor, and I'll never forget the 18 year old who started smoking pot at age 6. His emotional growth was damaged in the max, probably irreparably because of the critical developmental periods it interfered with.
Regardless of my regard for cannabis, I think the laws regarding it are draconian, heinous even. Any plant should be allowed to be cultivated for personal use. The government wants its taxable piece of the action. I never want to see someone in prison for anything pertaining to the cultivation, use or sale of cannabis - to adults. Like every other substance, it is harmful to children/adolescents along several developmental lines. I want to develop along certain psychospiritual lines, and that development is never going to occur if I stop working on it but settle for a counterfeit of interior peace. Similarly, my use of indole entheogens has become very rare, for exactly the same reason. I'm still a 'Fourth Way' advocate, but as Alan Watts said decades ago, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone."
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Desant: I see where you're at man. You want to smoke herb and are looking for that one reason (if it even exists) that will resonate deeper than your spirit guides. Truth is man, every single being is unique in the aspect of oneness. We are all unique expressions of one source. If you wish to smoke this plant, do so. I believe you need to think bigger than your spirit guides but if they have not lead you astray, disregarding their knowledge is most foolish.
Use your heart man. No one here, including me, is going to know if it's wise or a good idea for you to smoke it or not. It's about you, brother, not me or anyone else here. It's about you and your truth. You.
In the end, all is well.
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: OneU]
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MarkostheGnostic
Thats interesting u mention emotional development of that 6 year old who started smoking pot.
If it is down to me, i dont want my children smoking pot under the age of 16, if at all, because brain matures from 18 - 30 years of age
but smoking from 6 is just wrong man, unless he wants to be full time hippie and leave as an outsider
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Lung tissue is designed for air. It should remain pink in appearance, without brown, black or white coloring (coatings of potentially carcinogenic hydrocarbons or cancerous growth). There should not be holes in the tissue, as in an emphysemic condition. Likewise, neural tissue - Purkinje and pyramidal cells of the neocortex should remain crystal clear, not be tainted an amber color to ordinary light microscopic microtome samples from fat soluble substances such as those found in the resinous accumulation of cannabis products.
Intoxication had two meanings. One mean inebriation, the other means poisoning. It is usually a matter of degree between the first and second meaning. But whereas something like alcohol intoxication immediately manifests an overdose poisoning, cannabis use is gradual. I haven't used cannabis since the late 1970s, except for a 'field test' every 3-5 years when someone really wants me to taste something. I attend parties and concerts and do not imbibe. Been there, done that. It is helpful for anxiety, but I have constitutional anxiety (as a Sheldonian Cerebrotonic Meso-ectomorph), and if I choose to control it myself. I have never like anxiolytic drugs (benzodiazepines) either, and just as well. After years, their use results in tardive dyskinesia which is irreversible.
My own experience with cannabis began at age 15, and diminished my motivation for academics while yet in high school (not to mention exacerbating my constitutional introversion as well). By my 3rd college semester I dropped out to get my act together. I continued to use, but as a philosophy major, not as a pre-med major. I stopped while working on my doctorate, and I never went back. Some of my peers continued to smoke for the 40 years that I didn't, and I see apathy as manifested in their appearance, or in their social life or in their failure to complete actions for career advancement (not getting licensed, for example, and remaining in entry level positions until retirement age). I am in late middle age and I am not into courting a diminution of my brain's processing speed. I prefer a high speed cable to a low speed dial-up in my computer as well. So, I take 'smart drugs' like Piracetam & Choline, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Pramiracetam, to stay sharp, and I use Passion Flower for anxiety/depression, as needed. Bottom line is that the floaty pleasure of being stoned is not conducive to thinking, reading comprehension, meditating, or increasing my compassion. Neither does it improve relations with my Lady. It is regressive in its effect on my consciousness, causes some disorientation, forgetfulness, and makes me a hypocrite to the kids for whom I'm an addictions counselor, so I just don't use it. I believe that I am better off for it because more than anything else in my life, it was nothing more than another version of "an opiate for the people." But no, cannabis use isn't a sin unless all psychoactives are considered in the light of the New Testament to be pharmakeia, in the Greek, which is sorcery. Sorcery always utilized plant based drugs. Cannabis is not a food from a biblical perspective. For me, it is another attachment which means addiction which means the opposite of freedom. But freedom is interpreted differently by different folks. In George Orwell's 1984, "Freedom is Slavery." You decide.
Great post man
Sometimes I feel like I'm a prisoner to my own cannabinoid addiction. For example if I have a number of different substances at once including hallucinogens, dissociatives, benzos, opiates, stimulants and weed I can abstain from everything other than weed. I would compulsively take it, roll a joint and get stoned and not doing anything productive till the end of the day when I fall asleep.
Im trying to save it for tripping or whenever I'm on other drugs. It is as if my endocannabinoid system has been abused too many times and now I have little control over it 
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Re: Is smoking weed a sin?? [Re: mellowparty]
#14498955 - 05/23/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A piece of interesting information came to me just now walking the dog
There are 2 principle entities who forbid me use of drugs: a shaman lady who i known for 9 years and spirit guides of unknown rank.
Well, back in 2007 i had experience with lead angels, they did not know my true identity who i am and where i am from!! But they realised that.
These two, mentioned above treat me like im a standard soul who needs standard experiences and lessons. That is not the case. If angels were wrong, then these 2 are very wrong, but dont realise it, following me?
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