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NetDiver
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14485833 - 05/20/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that the insights you get on psychedelics are not really good in and of themselves (or at least any better than revelations you might get while sober), but experiencing such a radical sensory alteration from the consumption of a simple powder/blotter/mushroom really can give you some interesting food for thought.
Then again, I'm a philosophy major, so I'm used to constantly analyzing abstract metaphysical theories. It doesn't strike me as out of the ordinary or detrimental in any way.
I did the weekly tripping thing for awhile and stopped for a couple of months, and now I trip much less frequently. I feel like moderate usage can be enriching and refreshing; it's much better than weekly usage, which can leaved you with a clouded head and confused thoughts.
Marijuana, though... I smoke that every day and find it to be beneficial to everything but my bank account.
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Joolz


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: NetDiver]
#14485868 - 05/20/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pot can leave me in a cloud, but tripping takes me out of it.
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BenBanned
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: NetDiver]
#14485877 - 05/20/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont see physchadelics as a gateway to harder drugs. Actually the opposite for me. After trippin on shrooms I have absolutely 0 curiousity for anything that doesnt grow out the ground. The feelin I get from taking designed drugs is allways a dirty feeling........except that one e-pill
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ifoundwaldo


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14485878 - 05/20/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I was waiting for this convenient post from you. Thank you for not disappointing me. I'm wrong, you are right. How does that feel, knowing that you have proven that drug use does not escalate?
The only thing that's really been proven is that widespread generalization from a small sample size is wrong. I could be the norm; I could be the exception. Although I do think the gateway theory is a bunch of horse shit.
I also fail to see how viewing everything (the world, your thoughts, your emotions, your desires) from an entirely new vantage point (one without "you" in the way) is "bullshit." But whatever gets you through the night is alright.
Now, DMT... I don't know what the deal is with that. Never tried it. Sounds fun though. I don't happen to think there's any real hyperdimensional elves waiting for me to blast off though.
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BenBanned said: except that one e-pill 
That's how they reel you in.
"Oh, you mean 4-OH-DMT feels just like mushrooms?"
Bam. You're shooting heroin.
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lifeinallday
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
#14485909 - 05/20/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psilosomniac said: I don't necessarily believe the government is trying to hide something magical from us. I think the government is trying to protect many of us from the dangerous potential these drugs have. I was just reading an article in a 1966 issue of Life Magazine about the danger of LSD. It contained surprisingly little bias; it made points about the positive and negative potentials of the drug. The reason I'm on the fence about legalization of these substances is because I believe that limiting what we do to ourselves could be considered an infringement on our rights, but I also believe that there are people who can't handle these substances. The article in Life was all about bad trips and the potential to accelerate the onset of psychological disorders and such. It talked about how people had trouble reintegrating themselves into regular life after having a bad experience. This is what the government wants to protect us from. It could be argued that they also inhibit productivity and all that, but I do think, for the most part, the government is in our best interest on this one. If you read about all the people in the 1960s who took LSD and had horrible experiences that ruined their lives, you can see how people can take these drugs in poor environments and with poor set and setting, for example. The people who take them without careful consideration can find themselves in terrible situations.
I don't think anything is really wrong with you. You enjoy the experiences you get from these drugs, so you take them. It seems to me you no longer have any issues living in the real world, so it seems to me that it's not a big deal to be taking them.

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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14485923 - 05/20/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also fail to see how viewing everything (the world, your thoughts, your emotions, your desires) from an entirely new vantage point (one without "you" in the way) is "bullshit." But whatever gets you through the night is alright.
Oh, I just deny it and call it bullshit because I am scared to face the Truth that psychedelics so bravely and honestly confront me with. I'm hiding from these powerful insights because they threaten my safe little world. Maybe that's what's really going on here. I'm too close-minded for these drugs. I wish I were open-minded and free.
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DesertedAnt
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: BenBanned]
#14485945 - 05/20/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BenBanned said: I dont see physchadelics as a gateway to harder drugs. Actually the opposite for me. After trippin on shrooms I have absolutely 0 curiousity for anything that doesnt grow out the ground. The feelin I get from taking designed drugs is allways a dirty feeling........except that one e-pill 
Look at the bigger picture.
After experiencing what pyschs have to offer you will move to something else.
poppy(grows out of ground)-opiate-morphine-heroin! YAY ITS A PLANT! *gets out tinfoil*
two months after a amazing trip, tell me to my face that you don't get the same kind of need a heroin junkie has on the verge of wanting another fix.
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Did you ever wonder if the person in the puddle is real, and you're just a reflection of him? ~Calvin and Hobbes
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Joolz


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: DesertedAnt]
#14485964 - 05/20/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The difference between a psych junkie and a heroin junkie is that the heroin junkie will eventually OD, and the psych junkie will eventually go insane.
The best way to keep from "needing a fix" is moderation.
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savage.renegade



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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: DesertedAnt]
#14485970 - 05/20/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awesome views. I wish i had answers, but I just have mostly question's. I wish you safe and happy journeys and you find what your looking for.
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ifoundwaldo


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Joolz]
#14486019 - 05/20/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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I also fail to see how viewing everything (the world, your thoughts, your emotions, your desires) from an entirely new vantage point (one without "you" in the way) is "bullshit." But whatever gets you through the night is alright.
Oh, I just deny it and call it bullshit because I am scared to face the Truth that psychedelics so bravely and honestly confront me with. I'm hiding from these powerful insights because they threaten my safe little world. Maybe that's what's really going on here. I'm too close-minded for these drugs. I wish I were open-minded and free.
If only sarcasm were the key to enlightenment...
Seriously though...
Some people liken states of the psychedelic experience to states of enlightenment (e.g. Dr. Leary); there have been countless parallels drawn between drugs and eastern religion. Assuming that the persons who have experienced both are not lying about the similarity of the experiences (which I can't really attest to), would you call his enlightened but sober mind "bullshit"?
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Joolz said: The difference between a psych junkie and a heroin junkie is that the heroin junkie will eventually OD, and the psych junkie will eventually go insane.
The best way to keep from "needing a fix" is moderation.
They're both an escape. Just that psychedelics are a lot easier to moderate.
Also, moderation's a great word. It's a lot harder when you've got a bunch of drugs in front of you and are having an awesome time.
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PhishXIII
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Some pretty good debating here. I just wanted to say for me personally, there wasn't really a gateway drug, I just sort of decided at some point I was going to experiment with drugs; weed just happened to be the first thing available. From there I went to opium, MDMA and then shrooms.
Never got into alcohol or cigarettes, though. 
Edit - Also, I have GOT to try tripping while staring at ifoundwaldo's signature and listening to Radiohead's Everything in its Right Place.
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SpiritDreamer
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If we said 'fat people were fat because they all can't stop eating' would that be correct? Of course not. Too many other causes to pinpoint being fat ONLY with eating habits.
Its exactly the same with drugs, everyone reacts differently to each drug. My mate gets serious paranoia when he smokes weed, and another mate goes fucking crazy on shrooms.
Then you need to look at the bad publicity for drugs, every time someone commits a crime using drugs, the headline usually reads "druggie commits crime", then the government turn and say EVERYONE who takes drugs is a criminal. I bet if you did a survey in every prison I'm sure 99% of inmates drink alcohol, does that mean everyone who drinks is going to be a criminal? Or when someone dies from an overdose the headline is "druggie overdoses" and the government scream it'll kill you (regardless of what drug), yet when someone overdoses on alcohol, 'silly boy' 'he drank too much', then plaster health warnings on every bottle. The government bans Mephedrone which only killed 27 people in a whole year, there were 1000+ alcohol related deaths (only in UK), where's the ban?? oh I forgot, alcohol is THEIR drug. They don't abuse it so why should they not drink. Bloody hypocrites.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: PhishXIII]
#14486097 - 05/20/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seriously though...
Some people liken states of the psychedelic experience to states of enlightenment (e.g. Dr. Leary); there have been countless parallels drawn between drugs and eastern religion. Assuming that the persons who have experienced both are not lying about the similarity of the experiences (which I can't really attest to), would you call his enlightened but sober mind "bullshit"?
I'd say anyone claiming to be enlightened is either delusional or a huckster or a mixture of both. I'm sure if were allowed to interrogate such persons I'd expose all of them as such. Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and fellow travelers of the magic trade beware.
Hey, I'm glad we toned it down a bit. It's too easy to be an insulting dick sometimes and I play the role too damn quickly, especially when discussing such emotional issues.
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FUTURIST
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14486113 - 05/20/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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enlightened is such a gimmick...
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Joolz


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: FUTURIST]
#14486118 - 05/20/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is a word that you have to find your own meaning to.
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PhishXIII
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14486122 - 05/20/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you saying mushrooms, or psychedelics in general have no merits at all?
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: PhishXIII]
#14486171 - 05/20/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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PhishXIII said: Are you saying mushrooms, or psychedelics in general have no merits at all?
Oh for a long while I had a whole list of merits. I've whittled it down to one though after all these trips.
They can be fun. Sometimes.
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Joolz


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14486183 - 05/20/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree Joe, although I don't think fun is the only thing psychs have. Psychs taught me to be calm, happy, "here in the now". They taught me to let go of my problems and enjoy my short time here while I'm conscious for this life.
They also taught me a few more things, but I'd ramble on for hours trying to explain myself to no avail.
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PhishXIII
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14486199 - 05/20/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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joemolloy said:
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PhishXIII said: Are you saying mushrooms, or psychedelics in general have no merits at all?
Oh for a long while I had a whole list of merits. I've whittled it down to one though after all these trips.
They can be fun. Sometimes.
What about the new perspective on life you get? I don't think it falls under fun, and I would definitely say it is a merit. I believe it is enriching to be able to view life "outside the box", so to speak. Perhaps some can achieve this perspective on their own, without the help from psychedelics, but for me they were definitely the catalyst to my new outlook on life.
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Vsnares.Zappa
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14486226 - 05/20/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joe , you have to admit that the evolution of your critical thinking/consciousness is,(to a certain degree)intimatly tied to your drug use.To say that the delusional thought patterns are detrimental is debatable. They can shed a light on habitual thought patterns and give you a better understanding of your own mind.
Personally, I had some spooky moments during my shroom trips that kept me from abusing it.it's all subjective really. the way you approach the drug changes how it affect you.
Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (05/21/11 10:50 AM)
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