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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: skatealex2]
#14470480 - 05/17/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: According to some chick in her new book, the Roswell crash was in fact a Russia Spy Plane.
What you all think, legit or fake?
So in other words, the government is still covering up the actual truth? They said it was project Mogul weather balloons. Why didn't they just admit it was a Russian spy plane when the military published two books on the subject? This seems to be an attempt by yet another author to make money off an overly-published topic.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: skatealex2]
#14470734 - 05/17/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: According to some chick in her new book, the Roswell crash was in fact a Russia Spy Plane.
What you all think, legit or fake?

Probably legit. They experimented with the "flying wing" design for decades before they solved the problem sometime in the 70's or 80's. Be that as it may, it's hardly proof of "alien technology" as some of you are implying.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: skatealex2]
#14470744 - 05/17/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: DeadHearts]
#14470807 - 05/17/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not to mention the papers in Roswell before the cover up stated that they had recovered an alien craft and 2 alien bodies (IMO this is what caused most of the controversy).
I mean russians can look kinda fugly but.....
Just saw the author of this book on the daily show... wish I would have payed more attention but she seemed like a douche insisting upon her theories to me.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: NlightNme]
#14470935 - 05/17/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: Space Elf]
#14471578 - 05/18/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Space Elf said: So in other words, the government is still covering up the actual truth? They said it was project Mogul weather balloons. Why didn't they just admit it was a Russian spy plane when the military published two books on the subject? This seems to be an attempt by yet another author to make money off an overly-published topic.
I'd say the water is way too murky to ever get the truth now. The only thing that is definite is the cover up as they have officially released so many different stories that there must be lies. They can't all be true. Initially it was reported buy the airforce that they had captured a "flying disc".
Since then they have claimed its everything else but that Doesn't surpise me from the US though. Nothing against the people but the US establishment has an incredible history of lies, corruption and cover ups. Hence nobody believes anything they say any more.
When you think about it, its a pretty specific thing to say.
"Captured" meaning its not theirs "flying disc" a circular shaped aerial vehicle
What military on our planet is capable in that time era of flying a disc shaped aircraft to the USA ? All the disc shaped aircraft we have experimented with have been shit. Seems very unlikey one could one get from Europe or Russia to the USA.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: nice1]
#14471907 - 05/18/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: When you think about it, its a pretty specific thing to say.
"Captured" meaning its not theirs "flying disc" a circular shaped aerial vehicle
What military on our planet is capable in that time era of flying a disc shaped aircraft to the USA ? All the disc shaped aircraft we have experimented with have been shit. Seems very unlikey one could one get from Europe or Russia to the USA.
I was listening to the author on NPR yesterday and she stated the disk was of russian origin and it's really not that difficult to fathom since projects like that are still going on, what this book goes into is the developments of things like the U2 spy planes and the CIAs hand in the development of the SR-71 Blackbird which was then turned over to the Air Force, it also covers Area 25 and the weapons testing there in addition to manned space flight to mars... it really sounds like it could be a great read
http://rt.com/news/sci-tech/russia-flying-saucer-airship/


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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14472205 - 05/18/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think its just slightly absurd that people will immediatly jump to the conclusion of "oh, it must be aliens" its along the lines of people seeing something odd and blaming it on paranormal activity or ghosts . (or like people not knowing how the world began and so going "oh it must of been this guy called 'God'")
why jump to that conclusion?
its weird how we turn to the supernatural so fanatically to explain things
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: spazmodog]
#14472296 - 05/18/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's mankind's reliance on religion as science for so many thousands of years, once a few start thinking outside the box they start coming up with all kinds of crazy ideas to explain shit
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: spazmodog]
#14472334 - 05/18/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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spazmodog said: why jump to that conclusion?
Its an attempt to explain things. When humans don't understand something they make up a theory. The whole of science is based on it - the only difference is in science you have to prove it with repeatable experiments. The problem with a paranormal event is that it cannot be repeated in an experiment so it remains as unexplained theories.
As for the alien theory its not completely absurd. We are aliens on a planet who send probes (ufos) to other planets. It started because of so many people reporting meeting or seeing the occupants of the craft and they aledgedly didn't look human. So its not a completely absurd random explaination IMO its a reasonable theory or possibility but its not a definite as explained it is an unknown.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: nice1]
#14472380 - 05/18/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dunno man,
im personally skeptical about the whole alien thing....
if aliens had the ability/technology to travel from whatever end of the galaxy/universe to get here it seems unlikely that they would then crash on our planet.... if theyve made it 99.9999999% of the way through all the perils of the universe you would expect them to know how to fucking land....
maybe, maybe not.... i guess we'll never know.
the american govt is a strange institution.... i certainly wouldnt hide the greatest discovery in human history from the world....
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: spazmodog]
#14472383 - 05/18/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That a very reasonable conclusion but its not evidence that aliens have never visited Earth.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: nice1]
#14472400 - 05/18/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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certainly not,
imo, if aliens have/do visit earth we'll probably have no clue about it...
we could be being watched right now...
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: nice1]
#14472432 - 05/18/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always say this but even if UFOS are somehow a natural phenomenon or just government projects then that is just as important than ET's coming here.
But with the amount of incredible crafts seen all around the world for so many thousands of years I think it is quite logical to throw the possibility of ET's indeed visiting here. We are not the first and will not be the last signs of intelligent life in the universe and we are certainly not the peak of evolution.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: DeadHearts]
#14472453 - 05/18/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've seen some real crazy shit in my time as well but unfortunately the only people who understand are fellow experiencers. Thats reasonable though but I don't like it Its annoying to have people tell you "you didn't see what you did because I don't believe in it" makes me mad.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: nice1]
#14484387 - 05/20/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What constitutes aliens as supernatural?
Also, what percentage of ants do you think have ever seen a human, even though we live on the same planet?
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: NlightNme]
#14484426 - 05/20/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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NlightNme said: What constitutes aliens as supernatural?
Also, what percentage of ants do you think have ever seen a human, even though we live on the same planet?
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: blewmeanie]
#14484455 - 05/20/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: Looks like Nazi technology to me. I'm pretty sure I've even seen that same picture before, except it was supposed to be a picture of one of the prototype fighter planes designed by the Germans during WWII.
Yes I think you are correct. This is WWII era Nazi prototype stuff, not russian. I watched a show one time and they were talking about this thing. They rebuilt a full scale model of it.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
#14502563 - 05/24/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not saying it had anything to do with Aliens but I don't buy this chick's claims.
Let's talk about the book's most controversial claim: that the long-claimed crash of a UFO near Roswell, N.M., didn't involve a flying saucer of extraterrestrial origin, but one of Soviet origin. Correct? It's not an argument of mine. It's the oral history of one man whom I absolutely trust implicitly with the information. He's the only source in my book who's anonymous; everyone else uses their real names. I think this is where some of the controversy comes from: People are somehow skeptical of my using an unnamed source. Of course, this is part of journalism historically—you sometimes have to use unnamed sources. And I believe that the program the source told me about—the reverse-engineering of a flying disk from the Soviet Union—is not declassified, so he remains anonymous for reasons of safety and security.
I absolutely stand by the veracity of what he told me, which is that something did crash in New Mexico; it was taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base; and then in 1951, it was transported to the Nevada desert. Hence, that is why Area 51 has the name Area 51.
Q The chief piece of evidence you offer is his eyewitness report that inside the saucer was a band of Cyrillic lettering. What did it say?
A [I don't know.] He was an engineer, whose "need to know" was about reverse-engineering the craft, meaning taking it apart . . . so he did not have a need to know about what the Russian writing said.
Q Were there instruments or controls inside that also bore Cyrillic lettering?
A I never asked that question, but there were instruments and controls inside of the craft. What he told me is that he believes it was piloted remotely. He also says that there's room for the fact that it could have been flown by the pilots, who were child-size but may have been older.
As preposterous as it sounds, we know from the testimony at Auschwitz and also at the Nuremberg trials that [Nazi scientist] Joseph Mengele was conducting barbaric experiments on midgets. The whole thing sounds so preposterous, [but] the reason I chose to include it in my book is that I believe in the veracity of my source. I've worked with him now for two years. He's someone who has an impeccable career. He worked for the Atomic Energy Commission over three decades. He was an early member of the Manhattan Project right after the war, so that period of time when it was still the Manhattan Project and before it became the Atomic Energy Commission. I've examined his Atomic Energy Commission awards and certificates. I examined his war record, his military records, his medical records.
So as stunning or jaw-dropping his revelation . . . may seem, I believe it, and I made the decision to include it in my book.
Q So the craft appeared to have been crewed by children?
A Yes.
Q At one point you mention that they were about 13, or seemed to be. And they had been physically altered or were deformed in some way?
A [First,] there's what the source did—he was an EG&G engineer, one of five who received this equipment and reverse-engineered it, and also had access to the child-size pilots. Then there's what he was told, and what he was told was that it was a flying craft sent by Stalin to create a hoax à la The War of the Worlds. And what he was told was that these child-size pilots had been the horrific creation of Dr. Mengele at Stalin's direction.
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Re: Area 51: Never Before Seen Photos of America's Secret Base [Re: skatealex2]
#14503179 - 05/24/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: Not saying it had anything to do with Aliens but I don't buy this chick's claims.
yes, and some guy with a few scraps of foil faced insulation and mylar is far more trustworthy
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