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North Spore Shop: Injection Grain Bag, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies

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OfflinePHIPHTIE
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PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria?
    #1448425 - 04/11/03 01:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I was wondering if you have to pressure cook your whole grain jars or can you just boil them? Or wont all the contaminated get killed boiling? Thanks a lot....


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: PHIPHTIE]
    #1448430 - 04/11/03 01:16 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

when it comes to grains you must pc. this is what i have read on here numerous of times..


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Robbyrob]
    #1448502 - 04/11/03 01:44 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

if you want to master the art of cultivating, then try it out with just one jar as a test, see what happens, even with the best sterile procedures if it fails-youll find out pretty quick-then get a pc. good luck with your shrooming


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: PHIPHTIE]
    #1449040 - 04/11/03 09:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I was wondering if you have to pressure cook your whole grain jars or can you just boil them? Or wont all the contaminated get killed boiling?




BRF can be sterilized with steam because it's ground up allowing the steam to penetrate it well. Grains are tougher and have to be pressure cooked.

The only alternative is to use a technique called Fractional Sterilization. This involves alternately steaming and cooling the jars over several days. The theory is that heat-resistant endospores will germinate in between each heating making them susceptible to the next heating cycle.

Read all about it in the FAQ:

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23372

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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Diploid]
    #1449073 - 04/11/03 10:01 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Every jar my friend has tried using different grains without PC'ing has contamed.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1449240 - 04/11/03 11:31 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have had success with rye grain boiling for 45minutes, nuking for 10, cooling, and re-boiling for another hour. Be sure to remove the metal lids!!!(you can buy plastic ones from sporeworks, but i never have.) Still a couple jars contam'd though.
(2/6 jars)


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1449477 - 04/11/03 01:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

When using grains, it is imperative to pressure cook them. Not doing so will only result in massive contamination.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Big_D]
    #1449491 - 04/11/03 01:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My friend has managed to get some limited success using fractional sterilization. His contamination rate was high, about 50%, but some jars did colonize without contaminating. He eventually decided that a 50% success rate wasn't worth all the effort and wasted grain, so he bought a pressure cooker and now get's nearly 100% success.

So, grain can be done without a PC, but you're much better off with.

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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: PHIPHTIE]
    #1450060 - 04/11/03 04:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: ]
    #1450537 - 04/11/03 07:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

ummmm.....i think like........7 people already replied to me, so..... I need not to read the faq.....and U need not to tell me too .........


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: PHIPHTIE]
    #1450856 - 04/11/03 09:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

well he has a point because you will find the answer there.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: jakeholman]
    #1450947 - 04/11/03 10:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to try to do an experiment....

I'll keep you all updated as usual.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Diploid]
    #26091831 - 07/05/19 06:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I have read that rice rarely has endospores unlike grain. And this is why PF’s TEK used BRF cakes, meant to boil/steam @ 212F. To kill the bacterial contamination in grain you must hydrate grain also germinating endospores to kill easier in PC. I luckily have an all American sterilizer from my days as a tattoo artist.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: JohnDoe7ombie]
    #26091839 - 07/05/19 06:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Quirkmeister92]
    #26091857 - 07/05/19 06:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Threads old enough to have a late night tattoo:jailbait:


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: mushboy]
    #26092455 - 07/06/19 03:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Threads old enough to have a late night tattoo:jailbait:



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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: JohnDoe7ombie]
    #26092567 - 07/06/19 06:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Not an ok way to increase post count.


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Hobbyist]
    #26093000 - 07/06/19 01:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Why not, I am naturally a little shy in new surroundings, and the conversation is relevant, is it not? Just trying to break the ice, exxccccuuuussssseeeeee mmmmmmmeeeeeeee!


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: JohnDoe7ombie]
    #26093469 - 07/06/19 06:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Literally no one who posted in this thread before you did has even posted in years. 


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Re: PC'ing whole grain jars vs. boiling, kill bacteria? [Re: Hobbyist]
    #26094162 - 07/07/19 05:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I checked out rules and missed that one. I should probably unsubscribe before irritating anyone else.


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