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My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help.
#14484125 - 05/20/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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First off, We've got this.

It's been growing those little tiny pins for 6 days now and hasn't really showed any sign of growing bigger(it's been colonized for over 2 weeks). I read this could be from it being too cold, fully colonized casing, or genetics. Or maybe it's because I'm testing it out in my new FC, which fully looks like this.
Not sure... Clean air blows in. Plus the little device there says Hi RH, which it all the way up it goes. any suggestions on why it's not pinning.
Second. I have a side project going on... purely experimental. It's with a mono-tube. It looks like this.

I busted open a nice bulk colonized substrate... sprinkled some verm all over it and stuck it in there. Will anything become of it? or should I stop and try to save it? If so... how can I save it?
Last. I have these two trays I kept in the dark for 2 weeks with out taking a peek. I finally pulled the tin of them and their not colonized through the casing layer. Should I throw them in the FC?

Lastly... I feel I should have never broke my mold of doing casing layers and putting them right into the FC with perlite. I went from doing stuff like this.
which I have spore prints from, to what you see before you. Also. I have the spore print on foil. I used a knife that was dipped in Bleach/water. Scraped the black crap into a rye spawn bag. I saw nothing go into the bag...Will the two bags colonize?
ugh, I'm just depressed that fruits went from plentiful to almost nothing... Should have just kept up with the routine. Back to BRF cakes to get my bulk up again. =( damn.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee] 2
#14484214 - 05/20/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to hear this, my man. Take five shrooms in hope that they will cheer you up.
I'd say your RH is too low and that's the reason your not getting pins. There's always going to be a learning curve when utilizing a new way to grow mushrooms, such as going from fruiting cakes in a SGFC to growing in a Greenhouse FC. I'd keep it up with the cakes and work on getting your conditions dialed in to your Greenhouse, correctly.
Throw them cakes into a regular SGFC and give them a few days. See if that'll get em pinning.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: hamloaf]
#14484327 - 05/20/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My RH for the FC is supposedly at 100% When I turn the US on it fogs up the whole thing.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484411 - 05/20/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mowglee said: My RH for the FC is supposedly at 100% When I turn the US on it fogs up the whole thing.
First of all you should know that digital hygrometers are crap and do not give accurate readings in this humidity range. Second you should not let your casing layer be colonized - the mycelium should only peek out of it a little and then it should be fruited immediately. Third unzip that GH zipper! I do not see any measurements taken for FAE. Those are the obvious mistakes.
EDIT: Now take a look at that substrate depth! How deep is it - 5 mm? You should really do a lot more reading before moving onto GHs.
Edited by Lord_McLovin (05/20/11 01:23 PM)
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#14484456 - 05/20/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Substrate dept is 2 1/2"
I always have a mister that's on 100% of the time blowing in air through the time. the US only comes 25minutes of every hour.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484460 - 05/20/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Invest in an analog hygrometer. They're cheap & way better than digital. I never trust digital, too much shit can go wrong with them.
As for your experiment in the mono, I'd take it out & put it in a SGFC or your GH as it's not going to get the RH right in that tub due to the "cake" being so small.
A casing layer should be applied after the first flush to encourage an even pinset for the second not during colonization of the initial bulk substrate. Also, colonizing bulk does require some amount of GE as to not suffocate the myc.
IDK about your rye bags. you may have had bleach still on the knife & that killed the spores. I'd recommend making a proper MS syringe & inoculating a grain jar for each bag you want to do. then G2G that jar @ 1 jar to 1 bag.
substrate depth should be as close as possible to 4"
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484506 - 05/20/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what's GE?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484527 - 05/20/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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gas exchange
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484598 - 05/20/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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AMUer, can I fork off a piece from the one in the mono tube to involve a spawn bag?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484621 - 05/20/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't recommend it. As it's covered in contams by this point due to being in open air.
You can throw it in your garden or a nice wooded/shady spot in your yard & water it or wait for rain...you'll get something outta that at least.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484673 - 05/20/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"A casing layer should be applied after the first flush to encourage an even pinset for the second not during colonization of the initial bulk substrate."
soo... for instance, I take the rye cake from the mono tube put it in the GH. Wait for it to flush with out a casing layer? then add a casing layer? Can it flush with out a casing layer?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484698 - 05/20/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes. cubes do not require a casing layer to fruit. I personally have never used one & my tubs do fine.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484711 - 05/20/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what?!?! this whole time I've been using a casing layer... I didn't need to.. goddamnit. Even if the substrate is rye seed? I thought you had to if the substrate was Rye seed for some reason...
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484722 - 05/20/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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grain is grain...rye berries or WBS, it's treated the same in the case of cubes.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484729 - 05/20/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FWIW, that is not a 'monotub' you have there - it's a tray inside a dishtub that's acting as a fruiting chamber of sorts.
Monotubs are full-sized storage bins in which the entire bottom of the tub are loaded up with substrate, such as:

I don't think that small a tray is going to be able to keep humidity levels high enough in that large a volume. There is also no top/sides for the humidity to drip down back to the substrate. I'd get that thing into your greenhouse if possible.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Sillicybin]
#14484748 - 05/20/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sillicybin, done. thanks. I planned to fill the bottom once I get all my other spawn bags done, I just thought I would throw one in there cause... well.. just to see what would happen.
Very pissed about hearing that I don't need a casing layer. I always thought making them was a bitch.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484759 - 05/20/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Casing is a nice skill to have acquired if you ever move on to the more 'difficult-to-cultivate' species. As long as your RH is high enough, though, it's a waste of time and an invitation for contaminants with cubensis.
I used to strongly advocate casing cubes - until I realized that my RH was just not high enough to get proper yields without it.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Sillicybin] 1
#14484767 - 05/20/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This tub is what an aborted flush looks like.
At some point or another the conditions in the FC were terrible and the flush aborted on you. Probably a dry spell at some point. GH's are tricky. You really have to watch your parameters.
How dry is that substrate now? You may or may not need to rehydrate it.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484778 - 05/20/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mowglee said: sillicybin, done. thanks. I planned to fill the bottom once I get all my other spawn bags done, I just thought I would throw one in there cause... well.. just to see what would happen.
Very pissed about hearing that I don't need a casing layer. I always thought making them was a bitch.
Casing layers are easy to make.
Buy some jiffy mix. Bring to field capacity. PC @ 15 PSI for 60 minutes. Let cool. Apply
I agree w/ anon, which is why I ditched my GHs for monos.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Sillicybin]
#14484789 - 05/20/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mother father! Yea, I would always get like 2-3 flushes and then get some type of crazy growth on the casing layer. Then I would move them out side, and they would flush fatter and Taller outside for the last flushes. Makes me just want to throw everything out side. But now some damn animal keeps eating them. I have no clue which animal it is yet.
Also theres been around 20 trays that I had that started out with green mold. Really...really makes me feel like I'm at a loss. Oh well. Stay the path!
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484813 - 05/20/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484822 - 05/20/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Check your sterile procedure if you're getting green & clean your house entirely.
I bet it's a squirrel or rabbit eating them.
How long have those been colonizing?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484827 - 05/20/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about these guys.
I almost think you should dunk those two trays in a large tank of water to wash the uncolonized casing material off and see if you might have luck that way. The casing on those looks way too saturated (wet) for colonization.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484831 - 05/20/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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tomorrow will be 2 weeks.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484845 - 05/20/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm w/ sill on that one, but I wouldn't dunk them. I'd just scrape off the casing layer.
Where did you get the idea to put a casing layer on it during colonization of the bulk?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484847 - 05/20/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Once I do that, Can I double stack them in put them back in the GH?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484853 - 05/20/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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how I was having success... just did spawn bag... once it got done colonizing. I break it up, slam it into a tray... case?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484861 - 05/20/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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oic...you're just doing Cased grains...not spawn to bulk...or am I missing something?
Don't double stack them, set them side by side.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484873 - 05/20/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I may not have my terms right. Just did spawn bags with rye seed.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484881 - 05/20/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea, you just cased grains is what you did.
i would recommend actually spawning your bags to bulk & doing mono tubs or little trays to put in your GH. Your yields will be much better.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484906 - 05/20/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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can you clarify on this "spawning to bulk" I thought that's what I was doing.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484930 - 05/20/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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follow Damion5050's tek here
That's what I do every time. I add gypsum to my water as it's boiling though. about 1/4-1/2 cup
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484960 - 05/20/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, I going to follow that once I get a brick of Coir... need to find out where to get it. But, what I just take like 8 of my spawn rye bags and throw it in there? With no casing... (into the mono tube that is)
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484981 - 05/20/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have to at least case your grain to get it to fruit. Just wait, let the bags over colonize a bit & do D's tek.
If your bags are 5 quarts full it's 1-2 bags per brick of coir per D's tek.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14484988 - 05/20/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so0o0.... I DO have case?!?! =(
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14484994 - 05/20/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you DO have to case JUST grains, but not if you've spawned to bulk.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14485147 - 05/20/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so... what do I do with this giant white brick with a little verm. on it? Should I put more on it?
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Mowglee]
#14492665 - 05/22/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mowglee said: what?!?! this whole time I've been using a casing layer... I didn't need to.. goddamnit. Even if the substrate is rye seed? I thought you had to if the substrate was Rye seed for some reason...
First of all, are you getting your terms mixed up by referring to rye berries as "rye seed", or are you taling about actual rye grass seed? You only need a casing layer for rye colonized with cubesis mycleium if you just plan on plainly casing the rye to fruit, instead of spawning the colonized rye to a bulk substrate.
"Spawning to a bulk substrate" is inoculating, brought to field capacity and then pasteurized properly, organic materials such as coir, wheat straw, and field aged horse and/or cow manure at a 1:2-3 spawn to bulk sub. ratio. That mix is then left to colonize, in colonizing conditions, until full colonization is reached and then birthed (I refer to introducing any substrate into fruiting conditions, properly, as birthing). Any amount of time you can allow for a consolidation period of your substrate is beneficial.
Cubensis substrates don't require a casing layer per say but I'd recommend one for cubensis substrates 2 and a half inches thick or under. A casing layer on those substrates in your greenhouse would definitely increase the RH at the surface of those thin substrates.
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Mowglee said: so... what do I do with this giant white brick with a little verm. on it? Should I put more on it?
I would suggest breaking that brick apart and spawning it into an out door bed of manure or coir. You won't get shit fruiting a cake comprised of purely grains. Spawning the block to a bulk substrate indoors at this point is no good since the block's already been exposed to conditions and has accumulated invader spores on it that will surely contaminate your substrate before the first flush.
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Re: My progress...It has slowed. Pics. Need Ideas/help. [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
#14576730 - 06/07/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everything's moving great again! can't wait to see these tubs bloom!!!!
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