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Using Jars Without Lids - Questions!
    #14482509 - 05/20/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am currently in the situation that I have plenty of Multi Spore Syringes (15+), two months off, plenty of Light Malt Extract and Glucose to make LC's with and every bit of kit I need aswell as 55 kilos of Organic Rye Grain and an abundance of Rye Flour/Vermiculite; aswell as a room painted with antifungal masonry paint (it looks almost completely bright white) with flourescent bulbs 6000 kelvin+ at the ready. I have a number of jars cooking away (50+ sterilized waiting to be noc'd up)...but this isn't half enough for what I have the capability for.

  In my attic are 200 jars without lids (I stoopidly left all the lids in my old place and haven't found replacements for most of them) but was inspired by the work of Alexander Flemming (who "discovered" Penicillin) - using any and every available glass vessel to breed cultures (sometimes even hand-blowing the glass) covering the tops with foil or an archaic alternative on his modest student budget and thought, well - if HE could do it then ( at that time -1920's) with less knowledge and equipment available than is nowadays, then i should be able to rustle up some fine specimens with what I have to hand. On youtube I have seen several grows using foil containers and whiskey glasses covered in foil, yet these have seemed less than stalwart - I am obsessive compulsively a worrier when it comes to fragile ("the foil might tear!") tools and apparatus, although i am willing to use what I have at hand. I was wondering, with the wealth of knowledge here far exceding my own if anyone has any ideas of how best a person may endeavour to procede correctly along a path leading to success in replacing lids ( which I don't have anymore) though having a perfectly acceptable glass vessel.
Any advice would be appreciated, I have only £3 for the next 12 days so have to make do wih what I have. I have Incubator/glovebox all ready

One of my questions is I am using a relatively small 7 Litre (7.5 US Quarts) PC and for my larger jars would have to lay them on their side to fit them in (this sounds doomed perhaps,them laying on their sides like that). How could I effectively use foilr or something else to do what I could have if only I hadn't lost all those many lids?

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14482575 - 05/20/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have used foil with PF tek successfully but they have a dry verm filter layer. I think you need to invest in some new hardware for the grain tho, :goodluck:


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482589 - 05/20/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482591 - 05/20/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's doable... You'd want to do a double-layered foil cover, one with holes and the other loose but firmly covered over the end for pressure cooking and/or contamination barrier. Like 3n1 said, a dry verm barrier would minimise the contam risk. Proceed with jars upright as the moisture may seep upwards.

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482593 - 05/20/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see why you couldn't use th jars as long as they remained upright in the PC>

Lying down will mean water will get into the grain unless you put ring clamps around lots of foil. Too much effort.

You could try keeping the jars above the water level by putting empty jars in the bottom with grain jars on top.

You could tie the foil around the jar neck with cooking twine.

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: Steve]
    #14482606 - 05/20/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Only problem is grain jars have no protective verm layer I dont think a SFD ge hole and a self healing inoc hole would work on foil


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482616 - 05/20/11 03:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would try tying foil over the mouth of the jar, punch holes in the foil and then put another layer of foil over the top.

After PCing remove the top foil in a glovebox, dry any water of the lower foil and cover the holes with micro pore tape.

Thats what I would do.

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: Steve]
    #14482636 - 05/20/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That could work but it is sub par to ideal, I would buy a $1 sheet of easy felt from a craft store and make some GE holes and self healing ports with some $3 RTV silicone. That would be better than foil IMO on any jar, even PF tek because you could leave out the dry verm layer?


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: Steve]
    #14482671 - 05/20/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

captain ahab: that is some terrible jay-z track you linked me to. are you sure he's up to date with sterile technique

steve and sonar: my cooker elevates the jars an inch above water level so even if they were sideways they wouldn't be sitting in water. what i usually do when not using a silicone port is loop over one edge of micropore tape so it doesn't stick down and put a long strip over the hole with the blunted/looped end hanging off the edge of the jar so it can easily be tugged up with gloves in a glovebox with little effort - i usually hold my foil round the rim with a rubberband so i guess water might not get in
3in1: I get what you mean about a dry verm layer as a barrier,just i wouldn't be able to swirl the grain about to distribute spores unless i shook this off at the end when the jar finishes colonizing.
Thanks for all the feedback/raptrack so far, i got all this grain and all these jars just no lids-urr :laugh:

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14482682 - 05/20/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3 in 1: i got £3 for the next two weeks, mayb I'll be able to boost some felt- do you mean like stuff you can cut out and glue - will that cook? that may be a plan, i'm not sure yet, this will be a mass project, i'm hoping to use all the jars and grain if i can (if my lc's work out well) - hopfully i will have something substantial at the end to fruit/bulk/case whatever - my summer mission. thanks again for the replies and ideas

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14482684 - 05/20/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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captain ahab: that is some terrible jay-z track you linked me to. are you sure he's up to date with sterile technique

steve and sonar: my cooker elevates the jars an inch above water level so even if they were sideways they wouldn't be sitting in water. what i usually do when not using a silicone port is loop over one edge of micropore tape so it doesn't stick down and put a long strip over the hole with the blunted/looped end hanging off the edge of the jar so it can easily be tugged up with gloves in a glovebox with little effort - i usually hold my foil round the rim with a rubberband so i guess water might not get in
3in1: I get what you mean about a dry verm layer as a barrier,just i wouldn't be able to swirl the grain about to distribute spores unless i shook this off at the end when the jar finishes colonizing.
Thanks for all the feedback/raptrack so far, i got all this grain and all these jars just no lids-urr :laugh:





I thought you said something about PF tek also and BRF/verm?
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spacytracie said:
Grain and an abundance of Rye Flour/Vermiculite;  I have Incubator/glovebox all ready




You don't need an incubator unless your house stays under 50 degrees F, and you said flour/verm so I thought maybe some of your 200 jars were PF tek and you would be doing both, my bad


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482715 - 05/20/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i got brf and verm, but i forgot to mention of all those jars i got without lids only a few are good for PF, the rest have shoulders. sorry i didn't explain this. all these ideas are good so far. i have nothing to spend on materials except tyvek which is £1 a sheet 1.5metresx1.5metres,so i may need to spend all my dosh on that i think. I have tons of foil but it isn't super strength, unless i multi layer it

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14482822 - 05/20/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You don't have a craft store? EZ felt is less than $1, wait you don't have lids or rings?


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482829 - 05/20/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Try it out, don't waste your syringes though just make one jar of each one you want to grow and then make enough to noc up 100s of jars from one jar with this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6817701/page/5, it will keep for two weeks and it grows super fast because it is already growing.


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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14482860 - 05/20/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hi there 3in1 - to be fair, i tried this water culture method about two years ago on my best cubensis pf jar and expanded it to around 90-100 jars. i don't know if you can see in my posts, there are pictures of the vaginal oyster/like growths i had on some cakes, and lipstick mould on others. i don't know how that got in there using this water culture method...thinking back i seem to remember not wiping the jars down properly - none of it fruited and even though it must've been my fault i'd really like to try a dextrose/l malt extract lc this time round.

i see the point about not knowing wether a glucose lc is contaminated however.

Still, i plan to be super clean, i have been awake cooking the jars i have with lids for aaaages and have a whole box load. I'm going to make my g/lme lc later on tonight and inoculate in the morning. hopefully by the time that's done i will hopefully have my lidless jars cooked somehow.
thanks for the reply;)

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14483150 - 05/20/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

2 layers of foil (since your foil is thin), one layer of tyvek, secure with rubber band. Micropore inoc hole(s), and use another layer of foil for PCing.
I did this recently with a couple of grain jars, and they turned out ok. Might wanna be a little gentle when shaking so the grains don't tear a hole in the foil.

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: Abnormal]
    #14483174 - 05/20/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

just boil your pf cakes. You don't have what it takes to do grain. don't lay a pf cake sideways in the pc, it'll be ruined. Leave the lid off of your pc and boil.

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14484237 - 05/20/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i will do as you say Abnormal


paducahovoids, i see what you mean, it could potentially be a nightmare; but i saw someone use a whiskey glass and foil on youtube - nearly all my jars have shoulders/are curved at the top so i can't see how i could get pf to work in those. i have so many jars and so much grain (55kg) and no money, i think i am going to record this and show pictures of what i'm doing as a really poor girl's tek. I'll do a batch and see how it works out. This morning I went scavenging around the recycle bins in my area and found a motley crew of jars with lids, i'll see if i can find more each morning too

You must think i am mad!

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14484242 - 05/20/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the replies by the way:smile:

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Re: Using Jars Without Lids - Questions! [Re: spacytracie]
    #14484299 - 05/20/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

any plastic container that's made out of pp5 will work....I'm sure you have more than a few kicking around the house.

chinese takeout always uses quart and pint containers for liquids and sauces that are pp5 plastic...I use 'em for brf cakes when I'm too lazy to clean my glass jars.


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