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Gary Owen
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ID Please :)
#14481559 - 05/19/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Habitat: Where does it grow? Woodchips and soil near a road, Victoria, Australia
Gills: brown, attached
Stem: around 3-8cm, diameter, color, texture, solid, thick,
Cap: 2-5cm, orange brown, smooth, spherical,
Spore print color: Very important!
Bruising: blue!

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Lord Mayonnaise


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They're subs mate or Psilocybe subaeruginosa to be exact.
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aussieshroom
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All look pretty good, try not to rip up all of the mycelium (the white stuff stuck to the bottom of the mushroom bodies), this enables you and others to come back and pick next time
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LuckOfTheFryish
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wooo! nice one! Psilocybe subaeruginosa as the lord of all that is mayo said
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The Inner Eye



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mmmm... Mayonnaise
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Gary Owen
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oohh baby, i have like 3 kitchen trays full
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ouijah


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Gary Owen said: oohh baby, i have like 3 kitchen trays full 
On the other hand you have destroyed the chances of them growing back by ripping them out like that. So you have lost about 6 or more kitchen trays... And that's not counting future years. Patch killer!
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German Kahuna
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ouijah said: Patch killer! 
Aw, come on. n00bs get excited, you know that. Especially when the spot is near a well frequented area people just wanna grab everything as quick as possible.
But yeah, never tear mushrooms that you want to come back out of the ground like that. It's not going to be as drastic as ouijah said, they will fruit again at the same spot this season, so go back later. On the other hand, one can see that you removed a significant amount of mycelium from the habitat, which makes up the main part of the actual fungal organism, so you want to leave that in place. If you want a cow's milk, you don't cut off the udder.
Use your fingernails to pinch the stipe off right above the base or just carry small scissors during sub season and cut them off. It also has the benefit that you won't have to clean off so much dirt.
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BlueLightRain
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Nice find, dude!
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mark2112



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Re: ID Please :) [Re: ouijah]
#14482776 - 05/20/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I personally think that's rubbish about the mycelium being 'ripped up'. I have subs growing in my yard and if you look around, mycelium is pretty much blanketing the whole area underneath a layer of woodchips. What causes a particular part to mushroom is beyond me but year to year, they rarely appear in the same place. Sure, idealy don't rip them up but don't act like 'mushroom jesus' out to save every last mushroom. They are fucking EVERYWHERE.
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Gary Owen
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this patch is huge and extremely public just so everyone knows
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German Kahuna
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Re: ID Please :) [Re: mark2112]
#14482818 - 05/20/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mark2112 said: I personally think that's rubbish about the mycelium being 'ripped up'. I have subs growing in my yard and if you look around, mycelium is pretty much blanketing the whole area underneath a layer of woodchips. What causes a particular part to mushroom is beyond me but year to year, they rarely appear in the same place. Sure, idealy don't rip them up but don't act like 'mushroom jesus' out to save every last mushroom. They are fucking EVERYWHERE.
It's true that it's probably overrated a bit, but at the same time you don't seem to know much about competing organisms and invading species. Have fun only finding Psathyrella or Leratiomyces ceres in your spot one season. If you have a population of bears and a population of foxes sharing the same habitat and then a hunter comes and shoots only the bears year after year, guess what happens.
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mark2112



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I understand that other species can appear but I have also noticed that it doesn't seem to matter what you do. I had a patch last year that fruited 20-30 subs and this year it has been taken over by these things (below). I didn't pick any of the subs that grew in the same spot last year. More to the point, I just think it isn't necessary to badger the new guy and make him feel silly. This is only one instance and it was reasonably tame but it is very common and gets worse than this. A nudge would suffice (like aussieshroom's response) So is it overated or is it that I don't understand?
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Edited by mark2112 (05/20/11 07:14 AM)
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German Kahuna
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Re: ID Please :) [Re: mark2112]
#14483278 - 05/20/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's a bit of an overreaction that people keep flipping out over people plucking mushrooms instead of gently cutting them off, but at the same time you gotta understand that the mushroom fruitbody is like the fungal organisms reproductive organ.
The problem is that many pickers will pick the mushrooms before they mature - especially in public spots where they fear competition from other hunters - thus depriving the organism to refresh its genetics in the habitat it inhabits. Think getting your wiener cut off before being able to take a single shot.
So premature picking is actually a bigger problem than tearing up a bit of mycelium with the mushroom, especially when you have a competing species that does not get picked by hunters. I don't know if the term "senescence" means anything to you but it has something to do with the number of divisions a cell can go through and it plays a big part of why the fungal organism needs to refresh its genetics. So, yes, it is reasonable to say that one should treat any patch with as much care as possible. A bit too much care doesn't do any harm, vandalism does, though and that's why it is indeed better to tell people to only pick mature mushrooms and try to harm the organism as a whole as little as possible than to say "wtf, I keep seeing loads of those boomers all the time, just tear that shit up, mang".
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mark2112



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German Kahuna said: I don't know if the term "senescence" means anything to you
It does now. Can you answer this for me? Is mycelium generic or does it cater for a particular species? i.e : does it depend on what spore it receives?
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German Kahuna said: Think getting your wiener cut off before being able to take a single shot.
That sunk in.
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German Kahuna said: than to say "wtf, I keep seeing loads of those boomers all the time, just tear that shit up, mang".
Noted. Won't do that.
Edited by mark2112 (05/20/11 09:12 AM)
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German Kahuna
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Re: ID Please :) [Re: mark2112]
#14483451 - 05/20/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mark2112 said: Is mycelium generic or does it cater for a particular species? i.e : does it depend on what spore it receives?
Well, yes, of course. Each mushroom species has it's own mycelium and thus genetics. In easy terms: when a spore germinates a strand of monokaryotic mycelium will form. It needs to meet another strand of monokaryotic mycelium of the opposite sex to form dikaryotic mycelium and thus an organism that is able to develop fruitbodies and reproduce. Spores of different mushroom species are not compatible and cannot mate, just like a giraffe and a horse cannot mate.
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mark2112



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Ok. I understand. So how does a patch of subs suddenly (one year apart), turn into another species?
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The Inner Eye



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Re: ID Please :) [Re: mark2112]
#14483480 - 05/20/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mark2112 said: Ok. I understand. So how does a patch of subs suddenly (one year apart), turn into another species?
In a nutshell... The Subs lost the mycelium war.
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SomeGuy
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different mushrooms can co-exist. There is no battle. they are only competing for the food. Different mush can't mate(as g/k said) just because there is another mush there doesn't mean the subs are gone
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The Inner Eye



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Re: ID Please :) [Re: SomeGuy]
#14483766 - 05/20/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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paducahovoids said: they are only competing for the food.
exactly... a battle for substrate.... jeez
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