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overstand
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Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens 1
#14481265 - 05/19/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is my first attempt at growing pans. These cakes are brown rice flower, store bought cow manure and vermiculite inoculated from a Panaeolus cyanescens print. After birthing, I soaked them for 24 hours and I then rolled them in vermiculite. I put them in a shotgun fruiting chamber on May 13 and three days later on May 16 I saw pins. I have been doing my best to give these guys a lot of FAE by fanning often. Temperature in the fruiting chamber has been fluctuating between 68 and 78 f. The RH was 100% until I saw pins. I then fanned more and sprayed less keeping the RH in the 90s. Things looked good until this morning. I noticed some black substance on some of the fruits. It appears as if some of the fruits have shot out spores. I think that might be a problem because these guys are still tiny. These look nothing like the pictures of mature pans that I have seen.
So my questions are: Do pans put out spores only when fully mature? Is it possible that these fruit will grow more? What is up with the spores from fruits that are less than half an inch?
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: overstand]
#14481286 - 05/19/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pan cyan on cakes... Nice job.
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Luger0815]
#14481327 - 05/19/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ahhhh shit! They look neat as hell!

Good job man  
Sorry, hopefully someone more experienced with pans can help ya with your ??s tho.
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Luger0815]
#14481645 - 05/19/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm in the middle of my first attempt at pans also. I'm doing trays of cow poo/verm substrate in a martha tent. My first set of pins stalled out when they were a little smaller than the ones in your pics.
I posted a thread looking for some advice, and someone suggested that I needed to keep my temperature from fluctuating. I was having some erratic springtime weather, and my temps fluctuated from about 72 to about 86 over the course of about 3 days. It was suggested that I try to get it steady in the upper 70s or lower 80s.
That was about 4 days ago, and I've had my temps steady at 77-79 since then. In the past 2 days, some new pins have started to grow and they look much better. They're growing quickly, and are already bigger than the ones that stalled out earlier.
The other thing I did in the same time frame was I completely stopped misting, and started using a syringe to squirt some water down the sides of my trays to hydrate the substrate.
I don't know if either of these things will help you, but I figured I'd pass them along.
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: overstand]
#14481850 - 05/19/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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they are as big as they are going to get
growing conditions made your mushrooms small
but they are beautiful,better pics would rock
its awesome to see more pans around
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14482706 - 05/20/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice cakes! I'll bet that those little guys are potent. Here's a thread that might help: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13249652#13249652
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: overstand]
#14482731 - 05/20/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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These cakes are brown rice flower, store bought cow manure and vermiculite
what ratio? tnx
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14484094 - 05/20/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you guys for the input. Captain thats a great link! Billy good luck with your endeavor! The ratio that I used for 10 jars was 5 cups vermiculite,3 cups manure,10 tablespoons BRF, 1.75 cups water, pressure cooked 90 minutes
So what is the consensus? If it puts out spores is it done growing?
What aspect of my growing condition could cause them to grow so short?
Here are some pics from today. A few have grown a little taller and a lot more are putting out spores. I got a lot of mutant conjoined twins. It looks the caps of two or three shrooms grew together but the stocks remained separate. That is odd. Has anyone else seen this before?
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Edited by overstand (05/20/11 12:06 PM)
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eLShaMukO



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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: overstand]
#14486205 - 05/20/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what is the consensus? If it puts out spores is it done growing?
it can still grow a bit, but spores dropping is a clear sing of maturity after that, decay begins and fruit quality goes down
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What aspect of my growing condition could cause them to grow so short?
its hard to pin point that , could be temps or humidity fluctuating or both. pans are not huge  i have seen ugly pans before your are small .. but not that small and have great shape
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14495248 - 05/22/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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*update* I harvested 6 cakes today. Three cakes were late to pin. So they are still growing. At first I was a bit concerned about the size of these guys but I do believe that their quantity and potency shall make up for their size. I picked 106.3 grams from six cakes. In my opinion that is pretty damn cool! That should be more than enough me and a few friends. I think Pan cakes are an easily way for noobs to experience something different than cubes. Growing pan cakes is really just as easy as the PF tek except that you add some manure to the substrate.
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Re: Questions about Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: overstand]
#14495351 - 05/22/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really enjoyed watching this grow. Thanks for sharing.
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