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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #14483634 - 05/20/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Except neither of you are experts. To much misting can stiffle the top of the casing. More FAE would allow that water to evaporate. What makes mushrooms pin? Getting wet (think rain or morning dew) then drying out (sun comes out) is what makes them pin. Evaporation from the surface.

If you want to stop side pins, line the tub with foil or a trashbag or something. Its not necessarily the light you want to stop, but lining the tub with a bag or foil will cause your lining to shrink with your substrate and not allow fresh air in the sides where it pulls away.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14492702 - 05/22/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Except neither of you are experts. To much misting can stiffle the top of the casing. More FAE would allow that water to evaporate. What makes mushrooms pin? Getting wet (think rain or morning dew) then drying out (sun comes out) is what makes them pin. Evaporation from the surface.

If you want to stop side pins, line the tub with foil a trashbag or something. Its not necessarily the light you want to stop, but lining the tub with a bag or foil will cause your lining to shrink with your substrate and not allow fresh air in the sides where it pulls away.



Yes!  Also, the plastic lining shrinking along with the substrate as the myce consumes it causes and encourages moisture evaporating from the substrate to do it evenly, though out the surface of the substrate resulting in more pins through out the surface.

Air blowing across a moistened substrate is an even bigger evaporation trigger then the sun or any artificial light.  Any outdoor cubensis bed should be placed in an area that doesn't receive direct sunlight anyway.

Also, go with a plastic lining of the substrate instead of foil.  Foil is know to cause myce to metabolize.  Mycelium metabolites can eat through foil.  If your foil gets eaten through at any point of the lining, it will defeat the purpose of having a lining and open vectors for contamination at the sight of the leak.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14492733 - 05/22/11 05:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why would you want to "stop" side pins, besides the difficulty of picking them? It's not like if you prevent all side pins they will all relocate and come up where you want them to, my biggest fruits are usually side pins and they taste just as yummy as the top ones. Let them go and print them or let them go till b4 you chuck it and pick them easily, Side pins are just fine by me. My Hpoo mono had nothing but side pins and just one huge one in the middle, I am happy I got side pins on it because I want some PR prints and it was the only tub of PR.:shrug:
Subs will fruit where they want to, where the best conditions are.
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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14492964 - 05/22/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not only is it difficult to pick side pins, I don't like chewing up the substrate between the substrate's sides and fruiting chamber walls to pick fruits for several reasons.

Lining a substrate with a plastic liner also keeps the substrate virtually protected against water pooling between the floor of the fruiting chamber and bottom of the substrate. 

Lining substrates with plastic also makes clean up of contaminated or spent substrates and tubs a cinch. 

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It's not like if you prevent all side pins they will all relocate and come up where you want them to



That's exactly what that means.  :wink:

The reason side pins are created is due to conditions being ideal for pin formation between the walls of the fruiting chamber and the side surfaces of the substrate created as the mycelium consumes the substrate. 

Lining the substrate with plastic encourages that moisture to evaporate through nowhere else but the surface of the substrate.

The plastic lining covering up and shrinking along with the substrates' sides and bottom as the mycelium consumes it is how the liner encourages moisture to be evaporated from only the substrate's top surface.


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