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Do i need more FAE or more misting?
    #14481005 - 05/19/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have heard people tell me both things so I need an answer. I have a bulk tray inside of a sgfc and I seem to only be getting side pins. Someone please help. Do I need more fae or more misting?? I have holes in all six sides also.








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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481080 - 05/19/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hard to tell by the blurry pics but it looks dry, how do you mist and do you fan after?


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14481107 - 05/19/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is that a shoebox container ina sgfc?


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14481109 - 05/19/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its not dry and yes I mist the perlite, the sides and then spray in the air so it falls on the substrate in a mist then fan for 15 seconds after. I do that about 4 times a day. Here is some better pics. You think it could be fae??










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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14481119 - 05/19/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Moisture is more apt to stay by the sides of ur tub. So the middle is not receiving as much RH as the edge. Mist more. Let mist drop on the sub to evenly distribute & not do any harm to pins.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481120 - 05/19/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No its just a smaller plastic container. I duct taped the outside so light wouldn't come through.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481137 - 05/19/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Screw that, turn it into a dubtub. :thumbup:


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481154 - 05/19/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

See this is why I'm so confused. People on my grow log post are saying I needed more fae. So should I mist more and aloso give it more fae at the same time??


And how would I go about doing a dub tub?? Put another tub just like it on top of it upside down with holes?


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481180 - 05/19/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Drill holes in similar sized container like a shotgun fc. Place on top and it pretty much works shit out on its own.
Keep your perlite wet and every time you mist... Fan the hell out of it.
Mist/fan when you can throughout the day, and as much as your time allows.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14481194 - 05/19/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Dubtub :thumbup:


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14481209 - 05/19/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry about that, I edited, but what I meant to say is that the edges of ur substrate has more RH then the center as the edge is near the plastic and has a RH containing surrounding, (Cool plastic/warm substrate).


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481210 - 05/19/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

im no expert, but it is hearing things like this that annoy the hell out of me about message boards. I really dont see why people are telling you its fae, wouldnt the area where side pins form get less fae then the rest of the substrate. Things like this are not even experience per say, its strictly common sense. Either your humidity is to low and its perfect humidity between the sides of the substrate and the container and thats why only side pins are forming, or its to wet on the top of the substrate. If theres puddles of water you cant expect pins to want to form there. Sorry for the rant but i feel like people dont realize, read everything you can on a forum but then use your own rational thought and common sense and you should be fine.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: EOTO]
    #14481230 - 05/19/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The main reason your getting side pins.... Because thats the best place for them to form, the conditions are best there right now for them. :shrug:


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: EOTO]
    #14481310 - 05/19/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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im no expert, but it is hearing things like this that annoy the hell out of me about message boards. I really dont see why people are telling you its fae, wouldnt the area where side pins form get less fae then the rest of the substrate. Things like this are not even experience per say, its strictly common sense. Either your humidity is to low and its perfect humidity between the sides of the substrate and the container and thats why only side pins are forming, or its to wet on the top of the substrate. If theres puddles of water you cant expect pins to want to form there. Sorry for the rant but i feel like people dont realize, read everything you can on a forum but then use your own rational thought and common sense and you should be fine.





This is exactly what I was thinking but I was getting people with tc tags telling me it was fae so that's why I'm so damn confused about it. I'm just gonna let this one fruit and do a mono next time because it seems the sgfc just ain't working for me. I can't get the same answer twice as what to do.I've read about monos and they seem pretty easy.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14481465 - 05/19/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I only mist once a day on bulk because it is still moist at night when I check it, when you mist you should use a high pressure mister that makes a very fine mist and do it a few sprays at a time a few feet over the tub checking too see if there are dew size drops on the sub after each few sprays. Then you fan the hell out of it to evap the moisture to help trigger pinning. If your sub is drying out 4 times a day I would say that it is too much FAE and too low moisture, either that or the top layer of sub is overlayed and the pins cant penetrate it? You could try some crumpled up wax paper straightened back out and covering the sub to act like a casing layer since you are using a hybrid SG?


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14481593 - 05/19/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wHAT /\ HE SAiD

Pinning evenly is caused by a nice and regulated environment including light, in which fresh air and moisture can saturate and evaporate off the mycelial surface.  Your center might be dry or possibly you need some fanning + misting to stimulate it with evaporation.  Your sides are the only perfect environment in your terrarium.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: Jayslay]
    #14481684 - 05/19/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Side pinning happens because there is not an ideal fruiting environment throughout the entire tray.  Only the sides pin in this case because of the microclimate that exists between the substrate and the plastic.  You need FAE 3 or more times per day, with around 100% relative humidity throughout the entire tub. 

Your pictures are blurry, and it is difficult to tell if the substrate is properly moist.  The surface should be relatively wet, and should NEVER dry out.  If it dries, then mycelium will die, and pins will never form.  Just make sure to mist regularly.  My uncased substrate usually always has a few beads of moisture throughout its surface and I have never had issues with pinning. 

Remember, shrooms get rained on in nature, so they can handle some nice misting; and getting the substrate a little wet is not going to hurt it.  Quite the contrary in fact. 

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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #14481893 - 05/19/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Side pinning is an indicator that the environment you are providing is not ideal. The mushrooms pin and grow where they can find the best balance of humidity and FAE, the sides.

If the bin containing the substrate is sitting directly on the perlite and taking up a lot of the room in the SGFC, then the design of the FC can not function properly. This means it can not maintain proper humidity or the passive air-flow that happens in a properly made and set-up SGFC.


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: wygram]
    #14482278 - 05/20/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you had a hygrometer velcro'd to the inside just above the sub with the holes around the hygrometer taped up so you could get an accurate reading you would know if your needed more humidity or not


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Re: Do i need more FAE or more misting? [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14483562 - 05/20/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you had a hygrometer velcro'd to the inside just above the sub with the holes around the hygrometer taped up so you could get an accurate reading you would know if your needed more humidity or not




Indeed.

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im no expert, but it is hearing things like this that annoy the hell out of me about message boards. I really dont see why people are telling you its fae, wouldnt the area where side pins form get less fae then the rest of the substrate. Things like this are not even experience per say, its strictly common sense. Either your humidity is to low and its perfect humidity between the sides of the substrate and the container and thats why only side pins are forming, or its to wet on the top of the substrate. If theres puddles of water you cant expect pins to want to form there. Sorry for the rant but i feel like people dont realize, read everything you can on a forum but then use your own rational thought and common sense and you should be fine.




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