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Invisiblejoemolloy
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My dirty little psychedelic drug habit * 1
    #14480380 - 05/19/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't tripped in five weeks.  That's a record for me because for the past six months I've had weekly mescaline trips and for two years before that I had weekly oral DMT/ayahuasca trips.  During those two an a half years of Saturday tripping, I also managed to squeeze in a bunch of shroom and LSA trips.  No weed, drinking, or any other drugs.  Am I a good test subject for helping to determine some of the effects of our favorite drugs?

I've seemingly gained many insights into complex ideas, a microscopic view into my personality and motivations, experienced divinity in the Jesus/Mohammed/Buddhist sense, and peered into alternate realities.  These ideas no longer move me in an awe-inspiring way.  These seem to me a remnant of that powerful, but ultimately nonsensical abstract thinking.  Its all really a self-indulgent, intellectual type of jerking off.  That type of thinking seemed to dominate my mind when I was heavily into these drugs.  Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK.  Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to  life.  That's all it is.  A fucked up circus parading inside and outside of your consciousness as the carefully calibrated chemical organ in your head is flooded with unusual new chemicals. I can't deny that it can be a hell of a lot of fun and unfortunately its too damn easy to believe you've found something magical that the government wants to hide from us.  I was fucking convinced of it and I'd bet most of you still are.

It's difficult to speak in absolutes, but for the overwhelming majority of users, these drugs are probably more damaging than helpful.  The psychedelic stage in many drug user's lives is usually just a stepping stone to more powerful drugs.  I see this stage of glorifying psychedelics as setting people up for future acceptance and use of harder drugs - it softens people up to the idea, kinda like the Gateway Marijuana theory of drugs.  Most people who trip have smoked weed first.  Weed softened them up to the idea of tripping, right?  Most people who get into a drug like heroin have had intense psychedelic stints.

There are some responsible users who do not graduate to more harmful drugs, but I suspect prolonged use of psychedelics is not good for anyone who must operate successfully in consensus reality.  It can handicap you and turn you into a retard who thinks he's a sophisticate.

I still feel my brain racing occasionally, I still have too many abstract thoughts that pollute and clutter my mind.  Strange shit often pops into my head when I'd rather have useful shit pop into my head.  I've developed a few strange tics that I catch myself stopping.

On the positive side since stopping, I feel my short and long term memory have improved and I make less mistakes that embarrass me.  I am less of a retard since I stopped.  No, this is not scientific and completely subjective so ignore or ridicule me if you wish.  I know, I know, how do I know psychedelics did all that shit to me? Blah, blah, blah.  I think the effects of these drugs are subtle and my experience will be different than yours, but this information is worth adding to your knowledge bank as you consider what drugs to put into your body.

With that being said, I plan on having a nice strong bridgesii trip in a week or two.  What the fuck is wrong with me?  The same thing that's wrong with you.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14480459 - 05/19/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have to agree that tripping and doing any other types of softer drugs will set up a gateway. But I have to disagree that there's much harm in this, yes hard drugs can really fuck up your life if you're not careful, but if you are they're a good way to have fun and/or relax. All you have to do is set standards of what responsible use is for each drug. Some drugs can be used for days on end without any harm and others are best to do only every few months, but all drugs can have a place in our lives. I've personally tried many hard drugs all multiple times, never gotten close to ODing or getting addicted, all you have to do is make sure you keep in control. Now this is different if you're using the drugs for purposes other than just having fun, if you're using it because of daily life problems, now that can easily spin out of control. Like most things though they aren't for everyone, but if you can control it and do it safely I see no problems with doing these types of drugs.

Now on your opinions about psychedelics I have to say I agree for the most part. Personally I do believe that psychedelics open your mind and can lead to great discoveries, but you certainly aren't getting visited by gods and spirits from other dimensions. They can be very beneficial to thinking and discovering ones self though, so I do think in rare cases that psychedelics can be more than just "jerking off" but in all honesty most of the time that's exactly what it is.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14480495 - 05/19/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One thing I'd like to point out is a fundamental difference between psychedelics and harder drugs: physical addiction.  The physically addictive potential of Marijuana use is debatable, but this isn't the case with psychedelics.  There is no evidence of it.  I strongly feel like that would be the limit for me; I wouldn't want to escalate drug use to anything physically addictive.  I actually quit smoking weed a while ago, and I'm starting to feel a lot better about it.  I can appreciate the potential of hallucinogens to escalate drug use to a higher, more dangerous level, for sure.  I think people have their limits, and I think people should be educated about any drug they think they know about.  I think that people should research drugs before they think about trying them and before they decide that they are dangerous.  Personally, I know my limit would be at the physical addiction point, but that's not to say I would do any drug that isn't physically addicting.  MDMA is a drug I would also opt to avoid because of the possible brain damage.  That's not to say I know MDMA is extremely dangerous; I just want to avoid it because it's one of those drugs that is controversial in terms of physical damage.

I don't necessarily believe the government is trying to hide something magical from us.  I think the government is trying to protect many of us from the dangerous potential these drugs have.  I was just reading an article in a 1966 issue of Life Magazine about the danger of LSD.  It contained surprisingly little bias; it made points about the positive and negative potentials of the drug.  The reason I'm on the fence about legalization of these substances is because I believe that limiting what we do to ourselves could be considered an infringement on our rights, but I also believe that there are people who can't handle these substances.  The article in Life was all about bad trips and the potential to accelerate the onset of psychological disorders and such.  It talked about how people had trouble reintegrating themselves into regular life after having a bad experience.  This is what the government wants to protect us from.  It could be argued that they also inhibit productivity and all that, but I do think, for the most part, the government is in our best interest on this one.  If you read about all the people in the 1960s who took LSD and had horrible experiences that ruined their lives, you can see how people can take these drugs in poor environments and with poor set and setting, for example.  The people who take them without careful consideration can find themselves in terrible situations.

I don't think anything is really wrong with you.  You enjoy the experiences you get from these drugs, so you take them.  It seems to me you no longer have any issues living in the real world, so it seems to me that it's not a big deal to be taking them.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14480523 - 05/19/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

im currently on my break
i built up a high tollerance to manny chemcials tripping every outher day about 2-4 times a week for afue months. and im currently on my break :laugh: i actualy feel preety dulled down now :/, i was doing so much lsd i had to take 15 hits just to get to a 3-4 hit level, :*(
i have not moved on to harder drugs :laugh:

they just lost the wow effect and i found my self doing them just to stay up while everyone drank,--i used to drink alot and thought it woudl be healthyer to swithc to psychs.

now now when i do end up on tripping there will be alot more meaning behind it

Edited by harrisonbrtn (05/19/11 07:42 PM)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14480534 - 05/19/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ghotbijr said:
I have to agree that tripping and doing any other types of softer drugs will set up a gateway. But I have to disagree that there's much harm in this, yes hard drugs can really fuck up your life if you're not careful, but if you are they're a good way to have fun and/or relax. All you have to do is set standards of what responsible use is for each drug. Some drugs can be used for days on end without any harm and others are best to do only every few months, but all drugs can have a place in our lives. I've personally tried many hard drugs all multiple times, never gotten close to ODing or getting addicted, all you have to do is make sure you keep in control. Now this is different if you're using the drugs for purposes other than just having fun, if you're using it because of daily life problems, now that can easily spin out of control. Like most things though they aren't for everyone, but if you can control it and do it safely I see no problems with doing these types of drugs.





I agree wholeheartedly.  I've enjoyed a pretty wide variety of drugs at least once, including heroin, and don't feel that I've ever even come close to harming myself with them.  It's all about having the right mentality and not abusing them. 



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Psilosomniac said:
I don't necessarily believe the government is trying to hide something magical from us.  I think the government is trying to protect many of us from the dangerous potential these drugs have.  I was just reading an article in a 1966 issue of Life Magazine about the danger of LSD.  It contained surprisingly little bias; it made points about the positive and negative potentials of the drug.  The reason I'm on the fence about legalization of these substances is because I believe that limiting what we do to ourselves could be considered an infringement on our rights, but I also believe that there are people who can't handle these substances.  The article in Life was all about bad trips and the potential to accelerate the onset of psychological disorders and such.  It talked about how people had trouble reintegrating themselves into regular life after having a bad experience.  This is what the government wants to protect us from.  It could be argued that they also inhibit productivity and all that, but I do think, for the most part, the government is in our best interest on this one.  If you read about all the people in the 1960s who took LSD and had horrible experiences that ruined their lives, you can see how people can take these drugs in poor environments and with poor set and setting, for example.  The people who take them without careful consideration can find themselves in terrible situations.



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InvisibleLuman
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14480539 - 05/19/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK.  Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to  life.  That's all it is.  A fucked up circus parading inside and outside of your consciousness as the carefully calibrated chemical organ in your head is flooded with unusual new chemicals.





I always thought this was the point.  :shrug:

Whether your thinking is nonsensical or not really depends.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Luman]
    #14480558 - 05/19/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I take drugs for entertainment. Isn't that what life is all about? Being happily entertained?


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Luman]
    #14480567 - 05/19/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Luman said:
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joemolloy said:
Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK.  Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to  life.  That's all it is.  A fucked up circus parading inside and outside of your consciousness as the carefully calibrated chemical organ in your head is flooded with unusual new chemicals.





I always thought this was the point.  :shrug:

Whether your thinking is nonsensical or not really depends.




The consequences of those thoughts may be the problem.  If you take the classic psychedelic advice and integrate these experiences, you may be setting yourself up for accepting the new psychedelic "religion" or the incorporation of a constellation of superstitious/mystical/bullshit ideas that will change you.  Change is not always good.


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InvisibleLuman
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14480580 - 05/19/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nor should it be taken to extremes


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Luman]
    #14480618 - 05/19/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I used to chase the "integrate psychs into daily life" and maybe a little Buddhist practices here or there.

I then, one time, got so mindfucked I decided that the only reason I'm alive anymore is to party, be happy, and have fun. That's all I've been doing since, and boy howdy, I don't have a care in the world outside make them bills at the beginning of the month, work my job, and party my face off with good company.

Joe, you probably helped with that. You were always level headed and came out loud and clear. I don't know if you remember me, but I used to give you shit. The only reason though, was you came off the page like a major dickwad. It doesn't matter how right you are about something, people won't listen if they think you're being a jerk.

I hope you're doing awesome. I think you and I would have a fun trip, sitting and talking about what psychs have taught us and how we both live our lives. I hope you don't take this offensively, but I feel like you and I could possibly be on the same page, if you understand what I mean.


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Invisiblejoemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Joolz]
    #14480658 - 05/19/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:

I agree wholeheartedly.  I've enjoyed a pretty wide variety of drugs at least once, including heroin, and don't feel that I've ever even come close to harming myself with them.  It's all about having the right mentality and not abusing them. 






Do you think when people lose control of their ability to responsibly take drugs that it is a choice?

Are you lucky?  Or do you have a great deal of self-control?  Where did you get such powerful self-control?  Did you develop it, earn it, hone it?  Or are you dancing with danger by playing with heroin and you're lucky for the time being.

You have the right mentality?  Explain this mentality to the junkies.  Don't bother, they already know it because they've all said the same thing.  People smarter, stronger, and with better intentions than you and I have had their lives ruined.  Part of me feels that with drug use, we're just corks in the ocean and the waves and the current do their thing even though we think we have a lot of control.

I think we're fucking with stuff that is so damn powerful that its largely luck that determines whether or not we destroy ourselves.  Intelligence plays no part in this game because we're often so damn smart that we tell awesome lies to ourselves, you know?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Joolz]
    #14480667 - 05/19/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joolz said:
I used to chase the "integrate psychs into daily life" and maybe a little Buddhist practices here or there.

I then, one time, got so mindfucked I decided that the only reason I'm alive anymore is to party, be happy, and have fun. That's all I've been doing since, and boy howdy, I don't have a care in the world outside make them bills at the beginning of the month, work my job, and party my face off with good company.

Joe, you probably helped with that. You were always level headed and came out loud and clear. I don't know if you remember me, but I used to give you shit. The only reason though, was you came off the page like a major dickwad. It doesn't matter how right you are about something, people won't listen if they think you're being a jerk.

I hope you're doing awesome. I think you and I would have a fun trip, sitting and talking about what psychs have taught us and how we both live our lives. I hope you don't take this offensively, but I feel like you and I could possibly be on the same page, if you understand what I mean.




Good Joolz.  It sounds like your path is a healthy one, at least the healthiest you can hope for when dabbling in this world.  Thanks for the kind words.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14480723 - 05/19/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:


I think we're fucking with stuff that is so damn powerful that its largely luck that determines whether or not we destroy ourselves.  Intelligence plays no part in this game because we're often so damn smart that we tell awesome lies to ourselves, you know?




This I agree with 100%, people can convince themselves of anything if they want to. Best to take the hard line approach and try and keep it real. Dont get me wrong i love eating shrooms, just for me personally i have to be hard on myself and make sure im not getting to carried away.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Horrie]
    #14480934 - 05/19/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I respect your opinion. Over analyzing a small piece of the big picture will only leave you confused. When you take a sacrament without the full ceremonial ritual thats all you have. A perverted interpretation created by your mind. Its always much more to it than eating drugs and philosophizing about things.
Some mysteries will never be solved

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14481457 - 05/19/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Psilosomniac said:
The reason I'm on the fence about legalization of these substances is because I believe that limiting what we do to ourselves could be considered an infringement on our rights, but I also believe that there are people who can't handle these substances.  The article in Life was all about bad trips and the potential to accelerate the onset of psychological disorders and such.  It talked about how people had trouble reintegrating themselves into regular life after having a bad experience.  This is what the government wants to protect us from.  It could be argued that they also inhibit productivity and all that, but I do think, for the most part, the government is in our best interest on this one.  If you read about all the people in the 1960s who took LSD and had horrible experiences that ruined their lives, you can see how people can take these drugs in poor environments and with poor set and setting, for example.  The people who take them without careful consideration can find themselves in terrible situations.





The US government prohibited LSD in the 60's because it was an easy way to crack down on political dissidents (who, at the time were very much into LSD and Marijuana).

The potential for a life destroying trip is actually very low. LSD induced psychosis is the EXCEPTION and when it does happen the effects usually wear off after a few days. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd#Psychosis)

Compare the dangers of LSD to the dangers of driving a car. Cars not only kill and disable thousands upon thousands of people each year, but they also destroy the environment. The costs of driving are considered acceptable, yet we are told to be scared of things which are in reality not really a threat at all (things like terrorism, immigrants, and DRUGS!!!).

Please don't be so naive as to think that the government is "protecting" anybody from the dangers of drugs. The dangers of psychedelics are not worse than the dangers of PRISONS where your chances of getting beaten, raped, infected with TB/meningitis/HIV skyrocket (not to mention the psychological damage).

Prohibition makes drug use MORE dangerous because people can't get pure products, they can't get good information, and they can't use them openly in places that encourage safe use and peer support.

If the gov't REGULATED the drugs... maybe I might agree with you, but that's not what's happening.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14481479 - 05/19/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
I haven't tripped in five weeks.  That's a record for me because for the past six months I've had weekly mescaline trips and for two years before that I had weekly oral DMT/ayahuasca trips.  During those two an a half years of Saturday tripping, I also managed to squeeze in a bunch of shroom and LSA trips.




key lesson from JoeMolloy... Don't abuse drugs, even if they are psychedelics...


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14482236 - 05/20/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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Luman said:
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joemolloy said:
Think about it, all these drugs really do is make you THINK.  Nonstop thinking at breakneck speed with random colors, intersecting ideas, and occasional visions and distorted dreamlike moments that are brought to  life.  That's all it is.  A fucked up circus parading inside and outside of your consciousness as the carefully calibrated chemical organ in your head is flooded with unusual new chemicals.





I always thought this was the point.  :shrug:

Whether your thinking is nonsensical or not really depends.




The consequences of those thoughts may be the problem.  If you take the classic psychedelic advice and integrate these experiences, you may be setting yourself up for accepting the new psychedelic "religion" or the incorporation of a constellation of superstitious/mystical/bullshit ideas that will change you.  Change is not always good.




Psychedelic religion is just as nonsensical as mainstream religions.  The problem is, the mainstream nonsense has cultural approval. 

That said, even if all religion is nonsense, is that enough reason to reject it?  Might we embrace its practice even while rejecting its ontological validity?

We should be aware of the four roles that religion can play:
*As a basis of morality and social control (normative "ought" claims about the universe)---bad idea, in my opinion.
*As a basis of ontology about the universe ("is" claims)--another bad idea, in my opinion.
*As a source of peak experiences that are inherently gratifying because of various wiring we talking apes happen to have--okay in moderation, in my opinion.
*As a source of ritual.  This is perhaps the least well-understood role for religion in modern times. 

Ancient religion was all about ritual.  It didn't really matter what you believed, just as long as you washed your hands 3 times a day and sacrificed a goat to some random god on the appointed day. 

What was the point of this ritual?  UCLA anthropologist Robert Sapolsky argues that this was basically a way of coping with OCD anxiety in a way that elevated that OCD to something seemingly meaningful.  So, instead of just washing your hands compulsively, you washed your hands compulsively so that you could "cleanse your spirit before god" or whatever.

As long as you keep in mind at the end of the day that the ritual is actually serving *you* and not some god, then what is the harm in this?  Granted, it requires suspension of disbelief while you are actually performing the ritual for it to work in the intended way, but no more than is required when watching a movie.

I think psychedelics appeal especially to OCD types because they make for a seemingly excellent object of obsession.  They are full of seemingly endless surprises, endless novelty, endless intrigue.  Plus, the act of investigating them glorifies your ego because it is a risky endeavor that you have withstood.  If psychedelics, in this way, provide a genuine feeling of satisfaction, then is that not better than moping around and feeling anxious about one's OCD, or having that OCD expiated on some more mundane activity like flipping light switches?  Even if psychedelics didn't cure OCD, if all they did was make it fun instead of a burden, wouldn't that be good enough? 

As for legalizing them, what if we required people to have a "tripping license" that was sort of like a driver's license?  You would have to take a written exam in which you demonstrated your knowledge of the substances, and you would also have to be evaluated by a psychologist to screen out any crazies, and then you would be free to possess and use personal amounts of a substances, which you could ideally obtain from government regulated pharmacies in standardized dosages.  If our government really wanted to "protect" us, that's what it would do...not throw us in prison. 

There is still no justification for any compromise with the War on Drugs.  Its harm far outweighs any minuscule good it does.  Real, reasonable government regulation, however, I would welcome.

Edit:  I should elaborate my position on the truth-claims of psychedelics.  While I don't see it as wise to come to many, if any, firm conclusions about the truth of reality based on one's experiences with psychedelics, I do think that engaging with the questions that come up can be a fun and healthy way to exercise one's mind (in moderation).  Psychedelics precisely do make one THINK...a lot.  In my opinion, many people get through life while doing far too little thinking.  It is also possible to do too much thinking.  But yeah, I see nothing wrong with engaging with ideas such as, "Maybe I'm living in someone else's dream...holyshitwhatthefuck?!" as if they might be true...although to come to an affirmative conclusion on such far-out questions is always risky, which warrants the most extreme skepticism and logical/evidential proof to match these extraordinary claims.


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Edited by Comradez (05/20/11 01:34 AM)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14482501 - 05/20/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The reason I'm on the fence about legalization of these substances is because I believe that limiting what we do to ourselves could be considered an infringement on our rights, but I also believe that there are people who can't handle these substances.  The article in Life was all about bad trips and the potential to accelerate the onset of psychological disorders and such.  It talked about how people had trouble reintegrating themselves into regular life after having a bad experience.  This is what the government wants to protect us from.  It could be argued that they also inhibit productivity and all that, but I do think, for the most part, the government is in our best interest on this one.  If you read about all the people in the 1960s who took LSD and had horrible experiences that ruined their lives, you can see how people can take these drugs in poor environments and with poor set and setting, for example.  The people who take them without careful consideration can find themselves in terrible situations.





The US government prohibited LSD in the 60's because it was an easy way to crack down on political dissidents (who, at the time were very much into LSD and Marijuana).

The potential for a life destroying trip is actually very low. LSD induced psychosis is the EXCEPTION and when it does happen the effects usually wear off after a few days. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd#Psychosis)

Compare the dangers of LSD to the dangers of driving a car. Cars not only kill and disable thousands upon thousands of people each year, but they also destroy the environment. The costs of driving are considered acceptable, yet we are told to be scared of things which are in reality not really a threat at all (things like terrorism, immigrants, and DRUGS!!!).

Please don't be so naive as to think that the government is "protecting" anybody from the dangers of drugs. The dangers of psychedelics are not worse than the dangers of PRISONS where your chances of getting beaten, raped, infected with TB/meningitis/HIV skyrocket (not to mention the psychological damage).

Prohibition makes drug use MORE dangerous because people can't get pure products, they can't get good information, and they can't use them openly in places that encourage safe use and peer support.

If the gov't REGULATED the drugs... maybe I might agree with you, but that's not what's happening.




Most certainly I agree that prohibition is not a good thing.  That's why I said I was on the fence about it.  There are situations where use of these drugs can be dangerous, and that needs to be regulated in some way.  At the same time, it's not right for the government to prohibit what we do to our own bodies.  What's the middle ground?

Government regulation would definitely help protect from impure or mislabeled substances and such, but it wouldn't help regulate the conditions under which people do it and who does it.  I don't want you to get the impression that I believe prohibition is okay because the government is just trying to protect us.  I just think that some people do need protection from it in a certain manner, and that the government is fulfilling that role.  I definitely think there are tons of hypocrisies involved in this issue, and don't think I'm neglecting those or protecting prohibition.  I just think we don't have a good, viable solution to this problem because I don't think complete legalization of everything will solve it.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Comradez]
    #14482551 - 05/20/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Weekly tripping would make me weird, very weird. I once tripped like 4 times in two months and after that I didn't trip for 6 months. These drugs are very subtle in their manipulation and it feels like they install all kinds of very subtle but weird belief systems. In trying to be totally honest I feel frequent tripping fucks me up. Also, if you think about it, these trip adventures are all about You and the Acid, You and the Mushroom. This means that ironically the hippie lifeystyle is one of the most selfish, egocentric lifestyles there is. What a contrast with all the proclaimed universal love.

There is this Stanley Kubrick quote that illustrates part of my opinion on frequent tripping:

I believe that drugs are basically of more use to the audience than to the artist. I think that the illusion of oneness with the universe, and absorption with the significance of every object in your environment, and the pervasive aura of peace and contentment is not the ideal state for an artist. It tranquilizes the creative personality, which thrives on conflict and on the clash and ferment of ideas. The artist`s transcendence must be within his own work; he should not impose any artificial barriers between himself and the mainspring of his subconscious. One of the things that`s turned me against LSD is that all the people I know who use it have a peculiar inability to distinguish between things that are really interesting and stimulating and things that appear to be so in the state of universal bliss that the drug induces on a "good" trip. They seem to completely lose their critical faculties and disengage themselves from some of the most stimulating areas of life. Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14482842 - 05/20/11 05:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I haven't tripped in five weeks.  That's a record for me because for the past six months I've had weekly mescaline trips and for two years before that I had weekly oral DMT/ayahuasca trips.  During those two an a half years of Saturday tripping, I also managed to squeeze in a bunch of shroom and LSA trips.




key lesson from JoeMolloy... Don't abuse drugs, even if they are psychedelics...





That's a bit simplistic.  After my first ayahuasca trip, my mind was set into a strange place.  I knew I was close to the core of reality and each trip after brought me nearer to the truth.  The trips built upon each other and I was weaving a fucked up narrative together that made beautiful, symmetrical, and schizophrenic sense.  The days that I wasn't tripping, I'd obsess about the experience, read psychedelic literature, and engage in drug centered behavior such as growing and preparing.  All of my conversations somehow led back to these drugs and their effects.  These behaviors were sober and they contributed heavily to my mindset.  The fact that I tripped weekly sped up the process of my obsession and brought me nearer to the end of it.  Had I tripped once every two or three weeks, perhaps it would have taken my six or seven years to finally realize that its all a bunch of bullshit. 

I don't know if I abused the drugs, I just took them on Saturdays because it always felt perfect.

The only reason I took a break is because lately the trips bring me less pleasure than being sober brings me.  That's hardly willpower or something to be proud of, its just me seeking pleasure over pain and pleasure always winning, as usual.


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