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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: DesertedAnt]
    #14491977 - 05/21/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You reject his theories and ideas, yet you will keep talking about them.



Do you think maybe he has a point?




Exactly the same principle for both sides of the story. The idea is for compromise. To set up rules, guidelines, quality control, age limits. Not to have drug gangs screwing up innocent non-drug users lives. Neither should my own responsible drug use effect any one else.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14492239 - 05/22/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You sure like to embellish my posts. You are ate up dude. I do use knowledge gained from my trips to better my life. I went deep into my subconscious and confronted things that are real and verifiable. Such as feeling resentment about things my parents did. I used this knowledge to stop using cocaine, marijuana and and the various assortment of other drugs I used to numb my pain.




I can appreciate what you are saying but I ultimately found this disempowering and a weak type of thinking for me.  When I'd trip, I'd feel as if I had twenty years worth of psychotherapy in three hours.  My whole life and all of its problems would be paraded before me and laid out in new perspectives for me to interpret.  I'd feel refreshed, relieved, and much better.  But after a while, the anti-depressant type of afterglow would wear off and my resolution, insights, and knowledge would seem simplistic and trite and I was back to square one.  So I'd take another trip and believe I was making progress, but the trips don't connect and the growth is illusory and the mindset is really one of self-reinforcing drug behavior.  The underlying problems are still there, the scars never fully go away, but for a while I feel better.

If you have sustained and consistent positive outcomes from your psychedelic use, then I'm glad you found your peace.  There's always that part of me that thought I'd found peace too but it was anything but peace and I couldn't distinguish between them.

1983, its hard not to degenerate into a dick when we talk about these issues and I respect your opinions about these drugs and how you feel about them.  I'm in a different headspace than I was for a long time and I seem to see through all the stuff (lies?) I told myself for a long time when I was heavily tripping.  I understand too well every post that contradicts mine.  Part of me thinks I should just shut the fuck up and another part needs to express my feelings because I need a fucking outlet for this shit.  Its heavy.



Well Joe it is a shame that any trip learning's didn't last, cross over and help you along.  Whether we think we are getting smarter or not for me the important part is the opportunity to.  The opportunity to think differently for just a few hours, to have concepts paraded before us that we would otherwise not have noticed, to look at what has happened to us in a different light that normal patterned thinking would not have allowed us to do.

This can be a bit like religion, the "opiate of the masses".  The concept does not have to be real to have a profound and life changing effect.  Concepts aren't "real", God isn't real but some devote their whole lives to this concept based on faith in something that cannot be verified.  The experience of a tripper need not be real or verifiable either, but if it has a profound and lasting positive effect that's fucking great!  You don't even have to agree with them for that to work.

As far as "I understand too well every post that contradicts mine."  Well you can go on believing that, stay in your "operating system", but you probably don't.  Wgat you can do is immediately file it in a space in your thought pattern, if it fits then you think you understand it.  That's what I do and everyone else.  New food?  No problems...tastes like chicken.  Y

Others are on a different (just as valid) reference point and operating system to you.  Most are not following in your trail, they are on their own trail, been there done that as a general statement is condescending, but then you knew that.  Hey some of them even succeeded in getting lasting positive experiences from tripping, you didn't.  Does that make them delusional?  I don't think so.

I have not read all your posts, don't have the time, as you can see I'm not here all that much, but this bit confirmed the impression I have been forming..."Part of me thinks I should just shut the fuck up and another part needs to express my feelings because I need a fucking outlet for this shit."  Seems that the more you think about it, the more you don't like the position you are in.  The tripping trail didn't lead anywhere significant, all that pain and not much gain.  You troll, challenge and confront in an attempt to shake something out that will help you, still looking and sifting "the ashes of what's left".  But I like it mostly, makes me think more too, should be more of it as it can add as much value to you and others as a good trip. :cool:


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: farmer88]
    #14492798 - 05/22/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pisses me off?I think you have mistaken me for someone who is affected by what you have to say. Not to mention that you have absolutely no knowledge of to what degree I am interested in this or at what level of usage. You are someone who actually seems to know incredibly little but now white washes and generalizes with some form of extremist view. You are anonymous dude on the internet, how much value should this warrant? Any one with a brain and no prior experience with any given individual would suggest "very little" would be appropriate/sensible. You have a single view particular to your conditioning, nothing more or less than I do. I am not the one casting judgements or concluding, it's ongoing. You do you thing, I'll do mine and do not suggest to others that such practices are valueless as if it is the sole truth.

We are all here for experiences.We have all had post psychedelic "what does it mean in context with my life? Is it valueless?" run through our heads. If you are not fortunate enough to be fairly grounded in day to day life I can see how this could eat into your brain. Anyway I wish you well, I don't harbour any ill will towards you.:thumbup:

I will will be avoiding JM's posts simply because life is too short, there are many other thing of greater value to be doing.(Which will obviously be interpreted as me being threatened by JM's words, in my bubble, lol).

I think you could chill out a little, there is nothing to gain.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14494189 - 05/22/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Joe, I do read your posts and they really do catch my attention. I for one, experienced similair states you talk about from frequent tripping. I too lied to myself many times thinking Psy's are the key. I too got bitchslapped in the face after so much tripping, and i still do trip, and I know what you mean by what the fuck is wrong with you, the same thing that's wrong with me.

Shed the light brother, altho i've met lucky fuckers that do get away with it, best thing is to be moderate.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #14494215 - 05/22/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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JoeMolly isn't a troll... you are if you're giving him a hard time about his views... He is the smartest and most down to earth person on here...  :headbanger:


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: 1983]
    #14494693 - 05/22/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I may be more fucked?  Please explain.  I've been at this game of substance for a while now and taken plenty of time off when I need to and give my real world stuff priority.




If you are wrong and the Gateway Theory is applicable to many or most drug use trajectories, the odds that you will follow the path from psychedelics to harder drugs may be increased.  In that scenario you would be fucked, unless you can successfully navigate the waters of hard drug use.  I have hope for you though because you've been at this game for a while.




Psychedelics showed me why I used hard drugs and helped me stop.
I don't buy this gateway theory, no one I know started on psychedelics and moved to harder drugs. It was the opposite. I think you are demonizing the psychedelics because they kicked your ass.




This.

I was addicted to oxycodone for some time before I started using psychedelics regularly. I attribute me getting off harder drugs to my psychedelic use.

Please realize that just because psychedelics "clouded" YOUR mind, doesn't mean that these chemicals effect everyone in the same way as you.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Blight]
    #14495405 - 05/22/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

JoeMolly quit trolling and get a life. Do something else besides bitching about drugs on a drug forum.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14495411 - 05/22/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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JoeMolly quit trolling and get a life. Do something else besides bitching about drugs on a drug forum.



Do I see a newbie bashing a veteran? Doesn't seem right does it?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
    #14495563 - 05/22/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The fact that I see him posting on every fucken thread means he needs to think about something else for five minutes.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14495605 - 05/22/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fact that I see him posting on every fucken thread means he needs to think about something else for five minutes.



I get the feeling you haven't read very many of his posts. I think I post more than him, yet I live a very prolific and varied life. Do I not think about anything else for five minutes?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
    #14495651 - 05/22/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You still don't post more than him buddy, and I think I did read one of his threads (I think this was him) where he said he was obsessed with psychedelics to the point of dreaming about them.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14495682 - 05/22/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You still don't post more than him buddy, and I think I did read one of his threads (I think this was him) where he said he was obsessed with psychedelics to the point of dreaming about them.



Nope, that one was me.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
    #14495701 - 05/22/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And I do post more than him. I post something like 15 times a day, he posts 2 times a day.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
    #14495759 - 05/22/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My posts are sharing my experience, my opinions, and my general feelings on these drugs.  My words may not reflect your reality.

And if I think you are a drug-addled lying fool for using these chemicals as a medicine or for any purpose other than recreation, remember its just the ravings of an egotistical, jaded, failed psychonaut.  Since you know better than sad and lonely me, direct your sorrow on me instead of your anger and vitriol. After all, I am wrong and you are right.  I'm close-minded and you have the open-mind.  I use these drugs irresponsibly to fill a lonely and pathetic void in my life and I was rightly punished.  You would have warned me had you known. You use them to the celebrate the beauty and fulfillment of your life in a mature and measured manner and reap the bounty of benefits these gifts have to offer.  Your medicine is my poison.

And if the previous paragraph is interpreted as sarcasm and you flip some pronouns around and get pissed, just remember that I'm a lonely troll whose opinion doesn't matter and whose ignorance is limitless.  I think the only problem with all of this is that no matter how delusional some might be, my posts push some of those cobwebbed logical, rational, critical thinking buttons.  You're welcome.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14495791 - 05/22/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fact that I see him posting on every fucken thread means he needs to think about something else for five minutes.




I have never seen Joemolly posting just for the hell of it. Its only when he has something to add that is well thought out. I think Joe is more important than Terence mckenna to this forum.:thumbup:


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14495835 - 05/22/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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  I think the only problem with all of this is that no matter how delusional some might be, my posts push some of those cobwebbed logical, rational, critical thinking buttons.  You're welcome.



This is part of why Joe is such an important part of the forum. He is one of the few cynical members that cause other members to second guess their undying devotion. It's always important to question your faith.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: FUTURIST]
    #14497277 - 05/23/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fact that I see him posting on every fucken thread means he needs to think about something else for five minutes.




I have never seen Joemolly posting just for the hell of it. Its only when he has something to add that is well thought out. I think Joe is more important than Terence mckenna to this forum.:thumbup:




Big call.  Maybe too big.

Collateral damage and unexpected consequences of Joe trying to get his head back.  There are people out there who are making progress in personal growth only because they believe that they are, with support from like the like minded.  They can deal with thought provoking posts, think some more, learn and move on.  Most is real progress, but even if it is based on something rejected as bullshit by Joe, who cares!  Progress is progress.  But when pushed hard enough by someone placed a pedestal (more important than McKenna?) you are putting Joe on, well these progressive individuals can be swayed to also think that life is meaningless shit and that the path that they were benefiting from is just bullshit.  Do you want everyone to think like Joe?  What a fucking horror story that would be.  Do you want to help or hinder?

Get a reality check, please.  Bigger than McKenna?  Bigger than anyone else here? mmmmm  Futurist I thought your troll post was spot on, I ticked each box on the checklist for Joe but your comments contradicted that message.  I feel slightly baited because of it.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: farmer88]
    #14497345 - 05/23/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He is not a cynic, that is one thing for sure. Without this forum and us he would not be anything.

Boring like an evangelist priest spreading the gospel on unreasoned thought.. yes. He is just a human who has lost the plot through substance abuse IMO.Fallable like we all are. I think he needs to seeek some professional help (if he is not already getting it which I strongly suspect) I don't feel much at all when I read his posts other than he might be a bit delusional himself. He says it's bollox but continues to use them. He contradicts himself a a lot and only gets attention because he is different than the majority of people on the board. I could go to some Christian forum and conjur up a little shit storm, anyone could. Wake up matey, before you realize your life is over. Pretty weak way of attention seeking.



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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: DesertedAnt]
    #14497436 - 05/23/11 02:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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two months after a amazing trip, tell me to my face that you don't get the same kind of need a heroin junkie has on the verge of wanting another fix.




you think you know what it's like to have a heroin addiction?  are you fucking retarded?  have you done heroin?  have you seen what it can do to people?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: clown133]
    #14497468 - 05/23/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this whole thread has so much buttlove for joemalloy :lolsy:


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