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Grapefruit
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14489717 - 05/21/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A good process is to destroy the old and move in with the new. Psychology seems to be most about constantly testing your belief structures and it's great to destroy the old ones so that we have less fervency and dogma. However this doesn't mean that one needs to throw out the whole lot, because that's simply another reality tunnel. The truth in all matters often lies between the extremes so it's good to test things but not so good to rail too hard against anything, open mind and all that.
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Sobercolober
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Grapefruit]
#14489780 - 05/21/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't really pay any great attention to this troll guy. I am on my own journey, thats personal to the way I experience the world and life, not some watered down perspective from JM. Experiencing this for real is more valuable than split personality moralising from some random bloke on the internet.
Makes me laugh, "I have not done LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. etc. for 5 weeks" I am special malarky, sort your life a out man whatever that requires. The problem if there is one is not having control over your own usage, you are the one f*cked up, not others ! Something that seems to have completely eluded you.
Let people have their own experience valuable or otherwise and stop playing the man who knows, the only thing you know is relative to your existence and no one else.
It's interesting with another opinion, for about 2 mins, but when that opinion is narrow minded judgement of what others may or may not have experienced it's just BS.
Edited by Sobercolober (05/21/11 02:24 PM)
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sobercolober]
#14489986 - 05/21/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sobercolober said: I don't really pay any great attention to this troll guy. I am on my own journey, thats personal to the way I experience the world and life, not some watered down perspective from JM. Experiencing this for real is more valuable than split personality moralising from some random bloke on the internet.
Makes me laugh, "I have not done LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. etc. for 5 weeks" I am special malarky, sort your life a out man whatever that requires. The problem if there is one is not having control over your own usage, you are the one f*cked up, not others ! Something that seems to have completely eluded you.
Let people have their own experience valuable or otherwise and stop playing the man who knows, the only thing you know is relative to your existence and no one else.
It's interesting with another opinion, for about 2 mins, but when that opinion is narrow minded judgement of what others may or may not have experienced it's just BS.
I'll tell you why you are full of shit. If I were to write a thread glorifying these drugs and singing the psychedelic anthem that you jerk off to, I'd not be a troll full of BS, I'd not be an out of control weak-willed idiot with a watered down perspective. I'd probably be similar to you and that would comfort you. The fact that my journey is different from yours pisses you off because I guarantee you wouldn't talk shit about me if my threads so eloquently bragged how these drugs improved my life.
My opinions and my broad generalizations are not binding although many act like they are. You're not as open-minded as you think, sobercolober.
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bholzer
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490019 - 05/21/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sobercolober said: I don't really pay any great attention to this troll guy. I am on my own journey, thats personal to the way I experience the world and life, not some watered down perspective from JM. Experiencing this for real is more valuable than split personality moralising from some random bloke on the internet.
Makes me laugh, "I have not done LSD, DMT, shrooms, etc. etc. for 5 weeks" I am special malarky, sort your life a out man whatever that requires. The problem if there is one is not having control over your own usage, you are the one f*cked up, not others ! Something that seems to have completely eluded you.
Let people have their own experience valuable or otherwise and stop playing the man who knows, the only thing you know is relative to your existence and no one else.
It's interesting with another opinion, for about 2 mins, but when that opinion is narrow minded judgement of what others may or may not have experienced it's just BS.
I'll tell you why you are full of shit. If I were to write a thread glorifying these drugs and singing the psychedelic anthem that you jerk off to, I'd not be a troll full of BS, I'd not be an out of control weak-willed idiot with a watered down perspective. I'd probably be similar to you and that would comfort you. The fact that my journey is different from yours pisses you off because I guarantee you wouldn't talk shit about me if my threads so eloquently bragged how these drugs improved my life.
My opinions and my broad generalizations are not binding although many act like they are. You're not as open-minded as you think, sobercolober.
Well said Joe. Albeit a little a little strong, it is a perfect response. People are afraid of thoughts that differ from theirs.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490035 - 05/21/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I haven't tripped in five weeks. That's a record for me[...]
A record since when? How old are you?
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It's difficult to speak in absolutes, but for the overwhelming majority of users, these drugs are probably more damaging than helpful. The psychedelic stage in many drug user's lives is usually just a stepping stone to more powerful drugs.
You got a source for that? Because I say your claim is bullshit.
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What the fuck is wrong with me? The same thing that's wrong with you.
No, no, no, you are making a terrible mistake by projecting your own psychological issues on everyone else. This is a classic mistake that will only irritate the people whose attention you are trying to get.
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490065 - 05/21/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd argue with you Rhizoid, but I've been over these points already in the thread. Go back to sleep and forget you ever read any of it. Psychedelic drugs are good medicine. Keep repeating it until it sinks in.
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bholzer
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Rhizoid]
#14490085 - 05/21/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I haven't tripped in five weeks. That's a record for me[...]
A record since when? How old are you?
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It's difficult to speak in absolutes, but for the overwhelming majority of users, these drugs are probably more damaging than helpful. The psychedelic stage in many drug user's lives is usually just a stepping stone to more powerful drugs.
You got a source for that? Because I say your claim is bullshit.
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What the fuck is wrong with me? The same thing that's wrong with you.
No, no, no, you are making a terrible mistake by projecting your own psychological issues on everyone else. This is a classic mistake that will only irritate the people whose attention you are trying to get.
I have to agree and disagree here. He may be overstating the amount of people damaged by these drugs, but I'd agree heartily that most heavy drug users tripped before they started tweaking or nodding.
And when he says his issue is the same as ours, he is quite right. He is entranced by the powers of psychedelic drugs. He loves the way they make him think and feel. I'd venture to say that's the same reason we all do them. While that's not necessarily something wrong with most of us, it is wrong for him. Or so he says.
Don't be so quick to attack.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490118 - 05/21/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I'd argue with you Rhizoid, but I've been over these points already in the thread. Go back to sleep and forget you ever read any of it. Psychedelic drugs are good medicine. Keep repeating it until it sinks in.
Did you post your age and years of drug experience in some other thread? In that case please point me to it. Otherwise please post the relevant numbers here. It will make it easier for us older and more experienced psychonauts to help you, I promise.
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FrenchMachine

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Edited by FrenchMachine (05/26/11 10:04 PM)
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490140 - 05/21/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Late 30s, tripped extensively in HS and college. Stopped for ten years, been tripping weekly for two and a half years except for my current five week break.
I'm not sure experienced psychonauts have a clue that can "help" me. In fact, my posts can probably help them.
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490151 - 05/21/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Frenchmachine, it kills me that you call me a troll. I must be a troll because my conclusions are so damn different than yours that they can't possibly be sincere. That's how far gone you are. My opinions are not even in the realm of possibility to your brainwashed psychedelic mind.
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bholzer
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490167 - 05/21/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Frenchmachine, it kills me that you call me a troll. I must be a troll because my conclusions are so damn different than yours that they can't possibly be sincere. That's how far gone you are. My opinions are not even in the realm of possibility to your brainwashed psychedelic mind.
This. Why does everyone always assume Joe is a troll? All you have to do is look at some of his previous posts to realize he's just speaking his mind. He's really not too different from most of the people here. Just a little more cynical, and probably a little more down-to-earth.
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1983
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490186 - 05/21/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I'll tell you why you are full of shit. If I were to write a thread glorifying these drugs and singing the psychedelic anthem that you jerk off to, I'd not be a troll full of BS, I'd not be an out of control weak-willed idiot with a watered down perspective. I'd probably be similar to you and that would comfort you. The fact that my journey is different from yours pisses you off because I guarantee you wouldn't talk shit about me if my threads so eloquently bragged how these drugs improved my life.
My opinions and my broad generalizations are not binding although many act like they are. You're not as open-minded as you think, sobercolober.
I guess psychedelics made you psychic. You seem to think you know why other people react negatively to your posts and you know how they would react to a different post.
I don't know if you notice that you attack anyone who questions you. I think you are just like an alcoholic, who can accept their own part in the problem. You want to tell everyone that they will end up just like you because it is the drugs fault, it's not my fault.
These are just drugs, I don't glorify or condemn them. I use them for what they do, just like I use ambien to fall asleep.
Stand up and say I'm joe molloy and I'm a psychedelic-aholic and stop preaching against the drugs.
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: 1983]
#14490204 - 05/21/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You still don't get it. Reread the post that you just quoted from me. This would be a non-issue if my views on these drugs were positive. Then it wouldn't be me preaching or pushing my experience or projecting on others. It would be a pleasant post where you would nod your head, touch your dick, and feel good about Joe Molloy and the shroomery. Isn't that obvious to you?
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: 1983]
#14490252 - 05/21/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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1983 said: stop preaching against the drugs.
That bothers you? Hitting a sore spot, eh? Stop reading it and forget everything I said. Oh, that's some cognitive dissonance straight out of the textbook.
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1983
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490281 - 05/21/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: You still don't get it. Reread the post that you just quoted from me. This would be a non-issue if my views on these drugs were positive. Then it wouldn't be me preaching or pushing my experience or projecting on others. It would be a pleasant post where you would nod your head, touch your dick, and feel good about Joe Molloy and the shroomery. Isn't that obvious to you?
So you think that you know what I think, why I post what I do and what I would think about a different post?
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joemolloy said: I'm not sure experienced psychonauts have a clue that can "help" me. In fact, my posts can probably help them.
What annoys me is this attitude. You think that you are the psychedelic authority. Then you attack people who say you are wrong and tell them they are just threatened by the truth. I don't think you can see that you are the one who is threatened.
I told you I have been tripping for 33 years. I really don't need anyone to confirm my views. I can tell you that anyone who claims to be the psychedelic authority is full of shit, me included.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490300 - 05/21/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Late 30s, tripped extensively in HS and college. Stopped for ten years, been tripping weekly for two and a half years except for my current five week break.
I'm not sure experienced psychonauts have a clue that can "help" me. In fact, my posts can probably help them.
Thanks for the info. It was the tripping weekly for two and a half years I was mostly interested in. This is far more frequent than I have ever done (other than during the occasional binge).
This habitual tripping suggests that you have some psychological "thing" that makes you look into the world of psychedelics for resolution. But psychedelics don't provide that resolution to your particular issue, so you get terribly disappointed and feel a need to warn everyone else about it. Is that correct?
For the record, I am 50+ years old, had my first tryptamine-hallucinogenic trip when I was 32. Been tripping about once a month ever since. I have always been aware of the "mental masturbation" aspect of tripping. This is nothing new. Not sure how your posts can help the people you want to help.
Edited by Rhizoid (05/21/11 04:10 PM)
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: 1983]
#14490341 - 05/21/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe after tripping for 33 years and reading my shit is something of a revelation for you. Nobody posts shit like me on any psychedelic forum. Ever. You must have layers upon layers of psychedelic lore, mysticism, wisdom, and legend pulsing through your veins like plaque clogging your arteries.
I don't claim to be an authority. All I do is tell my story and I've said many times that my asshole opinion may not be reflective of anyone else's reality. You understand that, right?
You've said I demonize these drugs because they kicked my ass, that I project my experience onto everyone else because it makes me feel better and so on. You make broad judgments and claims about my motivations and inner thoughts, but if I do the same for you, then I am somehow being a dick. I guess the difference is that my assessment of your state of mind hits much closer to home, hence your loud protests.
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Rhizoid]
#14490380 - 05/21/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Late 30s, tripped extensively in HS and college. Stopped for ten years, been tripping weekly for two and a half years except for my current five week break.
I'm not sure experienced psychonauts have a clue that can "help" me. In fact, my posts can probably help them.
Thanks for the info. It was the tripping weekly for two and a half years I was mostly interested in. This is far more frequent than I have ever done (other than during the occasional binge).
This habitual tripping suggests that you have some psychological "thing" that makes you look into the world of psychedelics for resolution. But psychedelics don't provide that resolution to your particular issue, so you get terribly disappointed and feel a need to warn everyone else about it. Is that correct?
For the record, I am 50+ years old, had my first tryptamine-hallucinogenic trip when I was 32. Been tripping about once a month ever since. I have always been aware of the "mental masturbation" aspect of tripping. This is nothing new. Not sure how your posts can help the people you want to help.
I was hoping you had something new or interesting to add to the discussion being an older and more experienced tripper and all.
Guess not.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14490399 - 05/21/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said:I don't claim to be an authority.
Is that a promise?
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