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Offlinefantasticfungus
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #14524654 - 05/28/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well said SpiritDreamer.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: SpiritDreamer] * 1
    #14525413 - 05/28/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

SpiritDreamer, that's an interesting point.  I'm like an alcoholic coming into a bar on Saturday night and bitching to people who don't give a fuck, warning people who don't have drinking problems, and preaching to people who've drank responsibly their whole lives.  Sure some of the people may have drinking problems, but they don't need my words and most of the people in the bar are just there for a good time.

I'd think I was a pretentious pest.  Surely there must be a difference between me and that which I've described.  Perhaps its obvious what alcohol does, one need often only look at alcoholism in one's family or someone else's.  The fallout from drinking problems is well documented, well understood, and all around us.  Psychedelic abuse?  There's a dearth of information about it.  The studies typically promote and glorify them by publishing strangely consistent positive results, drug forums may discuss bad trips or occasional HPPD but they largely encourage drug taking behavior.

For a prospective psychonaut who wishes to embark on this journey and desires to research these drugs, they are at a distinct disadvantage.  In one corner they have plenty of psychedelic research conducted by the usual suspects of drug-addled PhD's from prominent universities and in the other corner they have anti-drug propaganda that is often simplified, biased, and exaggerated.  I'm sort of stepping on the middle ground in a position that is rarely occupied and seldom articulated.  Even so, I guess I'm still the douche in the bar though.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14525936 - 05/28/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said: In one corner they have plenty of psychedelic research conducted by the usual suspects of drug-addled PhD's from prominent universities and in the other corner they have anti-drug propaganda that is often simplified, biased, and exaggerated.  I'm sort of stepping on the middle ground in a position that is rarely occupied and seldom articulated.




No, the academics (unless maybe you mean Leary et al?) soft-peddle through their research the benefits of single-session or infrequent use of single substances in carefully controlled sessions, often with supportive therapy. And the DARE-type propagandists just say never. You are not in the middle: not even close. You Consumed Mass Quantities at the psych smorgasbord every week for years. Set and setting... well, that's Saturday right?

Before I ever put a toe in this water, I researched and read often warnings against too-frequent use. I read this even in freaking "Smart Shop" pamphlets whose agenda was obviously to sell the stuff. It's near-ubiquitous. "Gosh nobody warned me that these drugs are bullshit; I'm like the lone voice in the wilderness; you're all lying to yourselves; look upon me and fear, or at least join me in accepting my delicious addictive bullshit euphoria gateway theory" isn't flying.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14526044 - 05/28/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is life really about? No one knows, so you telling us that thinking abstract is nonsense and that physchoactives lead to hard drugs a lot of the time is a terrible observation/opinion. Most people I know did hard drugs first then stopped when they got into their "psych stage of life". I agree with some of your rant, but a lot of it is nonsense. I know nonsense when I see it. (sarcasm)


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14526100 - 05/28/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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latherdome said:
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joemolloy said: In one corner they have plenty of psychedelic research conducted by the usual suspects of drug-addled PhD's from prominent universities and in the other corner they have anti-drug propaganda that is often simplified, biased, and exaggerated.  I'm sort of stepping on the middle ground in a position that is rarely occupied and seldom articulated.




No, the academics (unless maybe you mean Leary et al?) soft-peddle through their research the benefits of single-session or infrequent use of single substances in carefully controlled sessions, often with supportive therapy. And the DARE-type propagandists just say never. You are not in the middle: not even close. You Consumed Mass Quantities at the psych smorgasbord every week for years. Set and setting... well, that's Saturday right?

Before I ever put a toe in this water, I researched and read often warnings against too-frequent use. I read this even in freaking "Smart Shop" pamphlets whose agenda was obviously to sell the stuff. It's near-ubiquitous. "Gosh nobody warned me that these drugs are bullshit; I'm like the lone voice in the wilderness; you're all lying to yourselves; look upon me and fear, or at least join me in accepting my delicious addictive bullshit euphoria gateway theory" isn't flying.




I began to notice in my readings of psychedelic and drug literature that I would selectively read and internalize what reinforced my desires and somehow ignore what should have been warnings.  To be honest though, the warnings in the literature were few and far between, nestled between 99% glorification.  Even still, I'd write forceful essays after bad trips detailing how terrible, how destructive, how fucked up it was, but a few days later my words would lose all power, all force, all relevancy.  My own warnings and promises and recollections made no sense to me.  They would be washed away by the powerful and oh-so-right and oh-so-perfect memories of divine bliss.  Most psychedelic literature extols the idea of proper set and setting and every Saturday night certainly felt proper, no bones about it.

I could have never anticipated these strange head games that I played with myself, I couldn't combat them because I wasn't even aware I was playing them.  When I did become cognizant of these psychological mechanisms, I achieved a slow liberation.  Perhaps literature about addiction in general would have been more useful than psychedelic literature in particular.  But then again I never really thought they were addictive or that I was addicted.  Psychedelic literature doesn't seem to broach that topic.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #14526146 - 05/28/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What is life really about? No one knows, so you telling us that thinking abstract is nonsense and that physchoactives lead to hard drugs a lot of the time is a terrible observation/opinion. Most people I know did hard drugs first then stopped when they got into their "psych stage of life". I agree with some of your rant, but a lot of it is nonsense. I know nonsense when I see it. (sarcasm)




The claim that many people's drug use goes from softer drugs to harder drugs is controversial in your eyes?  You don't believe that to be a common pattern?  Most of them go straight for the needle, huh?  Most of them hit the glass pipe first?  Maybe I've only seen the strange group of drug users who drank, smoked, tripped, and moved on in that order.  We must hang out in different circles.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit *DELETED* [Re: joemolloy]
    #14526200 - 05/28/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Kuuyku]
    #14526359 - 05/28/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I didn't smoke weed until after I had LSD. LSD was my second drug after MDMA and weed came later. I disagree that any drug is a specific gateway, I have no desire to try other drugs, because I use my drugs and the drugs do not use me. The other drugs that are harder I cannot see serving a purpose for me, so I have no desire to use them or even try them. I stick to psychedelics and weed.

I use psychedelics to enhance experiences that are already fun for me while sober, so I can take away more from the experience overall. This could be a music festival, sex, going on a hike, etc... Also, I don't trip often, so as to not diminish the appreciation of it--moderation is key.

Every Friday I smoke, some people drink alcohol (which I don't because I find it unhealthy and dulls cognitive abilities) to relax and enjoy a hard weed of studying/work. It's a tool to relax with it, I don't need it, but it definitely facilitates relaxation a lot faster than nothing at all.

It's when you start to become dependent on drugs that things go bad, you try harder and harder stuff to get a better high. When you're getting high for the expressed purpose of escaping reality or to solve a problems it couldn't possibly remedy, then you probably have a problem that needs close evaluation.

Use drugs, don't let drugs use you.




You know your case is very uncommon, right?  I don't think I know anybody else that started drug use with MDMA.  I think everybody I know that takes drugs started with weed.  Perhaps psychedelics weren't involved with everybody that takes harder drugs, but I don't think I know anybody who started with something other than weed.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, because its a good introduction into what drugs are, but the gateway drug theory isn't all a bunch of nonsense.

I respect your moderate use.  I really do.  I know very few people who smoke once a week or less.  When I smoked, that's what I did.  There were a couple instances of two days in a row, but the average was about once a week because I didn't like the foggy feeling that I got the day after, and I definitely didn't want to go to class like that.  Moderation most definitely is the key with psychedelics.  I don't really think I could take psychedelics once a week; it would be too much for me, and like you said, it diminishes the quality and appreciation of the experience.  It's not special if you get to do it all the time.

Escapism is the worst.  I think psychological addiction usually begins with drug use for the purpose of escapism.  There are surely exceptions, but I really think its the most common cause.  It's also important to note that if you are spending too much time waiting for your next trip and not enjoying sober life, it's a sign of a psychological addiction.  That's what this whole thing is really about: drugs diminishing your ability to function in real life.  The idea of our reality being alternate has always fascinated me, but I've never believed it.  I still don't.  It's a dangerous thing to think a drug induced state is reality, and reality is some alternate reality.  I've heard of people who really think life was meant to be lived entirely in the psychedelic "realm" (there you go, realm :shrug: ).  Hard to avoid the concept, eh?


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14526373 - 05/28/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its not the drugs that are the gateways

its the people that use them

in my experience anwyays.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14526470 - 05/28/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The claim that many people's drug use goes from softer drugs to harder drugs is controversial in your eyes?  You don't believe that to be a common pattern?  Most of them go straight for the needle, huh?  Most of them hit the glass pipe first?  Maybe I've only seen the strange group of drug users who drank, smoked, tripped, and moved on in that order.  We must hang out in different circles.




You hit the nail on the head, yet fail to see the answer in your statement.....'We must hang out in different circles',

The answer, the gateway to drugs is - who you associate with, and what drugs they sell/use. Not the drugs themselves. If a half-dead heroin addict with holes in their arms offered you your first hit, would you take it? If a smelly tramp on a park bench offered you your first drink, would you have drunk it?

There is also one key fact, alcohol is legal so it has many heath warnings, proper education on the abuse of alcohol and its bad effects. With illegal drugs, you really have to search for the answers. I was offered ecstasy when I was 15. Because of what I was taught at school, that it is a 'Class A killer drug, It WILL make you dehydrate, it WILL give you brain damage, IT WILL KILL YOU', I said no. Then watched 20 friends take it, and have a fantastic night. I went to the library, read as much information I could find. Finding out the true facts, made me disbelieve what I had been taught and the next weekend I said yes. I had a fantastic night. 13 years, 1000 tabs, ounces of weed, countless pills, kilos of shrooms later, I'm still alive today, still love using recreational drugs, LOVE my life.

Another subject, If these drugs were all sold legally, they would be quality controlled, sold in maximum sales, proper dosage and usage instructions, proper age linits set then most of the shit that revolves around 'dangerous' drugs would be minimised by proper education. Rather than 'drugs are bad... thats it...tough shit' attitude most governments have, they broadcast and expect people to buy into that 'druggies deserve what they get' stigma, then normal people like most of the shroomery community are all labelled 'Bad people and Criminals', we are persecuted because we get high. Fraekin Nonsense.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: SpiritDreamer]
    #14526902 - 05/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think one of the factors related to your damning is over use or substance and underuse of reflection on the experience. The mind needs time to absorb and assimilate new ways of being, thats what I have found. After my sole Salvia trip I was incredibly washed out and had no idea of how to understand or contextualize the experience. It was also a new and unchartered substance (Salvinorin A) with significant amounts of fear involved, am I having a bad reaction? have a triggered an irreversible trip? I have never tripped in this way before, I have never had a psychedelic make me lose some motor controls, legs flapping (like floor as further away than I could see), this did not make me feel relaxed. My god I could not even recognize where I was in my own house at one point, that is f*cked up.I had to reel my head back in through the time portal which it was swirling down to know I was at home.

Such experiences need time to be absorbed and reflected upon, leaving only 7 days in between journeys cannot allow the mind to absorb and re-stabilize. Maybe you need to just back off the accelerator and take a middle path (to coin a Buddhist phrase).It took a minimum of 2 weeks to absorb and realize it was one of the more profound experiences I have had. It solidified the fact that every single thing you do however small has an effect on every other thing in your life and that there is a undeniable bond and legacy related to every action. I could not take that in for a while. not to mention there were after effects for at least 3 days, something else I have not experienced with a Psychedelic.

It is why we cannot generalize, ever, everyone is unique, every substance is unique and every substance and individual in combination on any given days is unique. There is no way to blanket statement these things.

Joe do you ever answer questions? Or are you above it?

Or as a human maybe you apply filters, the very same ones you accuse everyone who is having some positive experiences of having.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14527217 - 05/28/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Joe do you ever answer questions? Or are you above it?




Sorry, there's too much to respond to in this thread.  You're last two posts have shown that you and I have similar thoughts and common viewpoints on many of the topics that we were scratching and biting about for so long.  You asked about traditional psychedelic use in other cultures and the DMT documentary.  I don't know what to make of people in the jungle who drink ayahuasca.  I suspect much of what they gain from the experience could be achieved through other means.  For instance, if they were given a Bible and some sharp tongued missionary, they'd get their religious experience through Christianity.  I suspect western medicine might be more effective than ayahuasca-driven treatment.  I wonder if faith in their aya shamans is perhaps detrimental to the culture.  Just wondering because the anthropologists who often study these people often filter their observations through rose colored sunglasses as they try to get the world to respect other cultures.

The DMT documentary was filled with a variety of psychedelic enthusiasts giving trip reports and wildly fantastic theories and speculations.  I didn't find the film enlightening or very interesting.

I initially thought my weekly use was too much, but I don't see how any other path would have changed the ultimate outcome.  I'm pleased that I reached a place where I am no longer obsessed with the existential experiences or the compulsion to trip weekly.  If I'd stretched the time between trips, there wouldn't have been sober resolution, just sober longing to go back to that place.

Sobercolober, if your experiences improve your life, then I'm glad.  I've said before it's lousy of me to shit on that.  The world ain't ever black or white and I tend to think in binary terms, not being able to see the shades of gray.

I think psychedelics amplify with a twist more than anything else.  It took my considerable narcissism, self-absorption, and fantasies and turned me into God.  If there is a lesson there, I'm not sure what it is.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14527589 - 05/28/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
I could have never anticipated these strange head games that I played with myself, I couldn't combat them because I wasn't even aware I was playing them.  When I did become cognizant of these psychological mechanisms, I achieved a slow liberation.  Perhaps literature about addiction in general would have been more useful than psychedelic literature in particular.  But then again I never really thought they were addictive or that I was addicted.  Psychedelic literature doesn't seem to broach that topic.




Just because they aren't addictive doesn't mean you can't get addicted to them.  There's always the mental component.    Personally, they've helped me kill my addictions altogether.  My weed and alcohol use has gone from a few days or more a week to nearly none, and that's me tripping no more frequently than 3 weeks between trips.  I don't take psychedelics for how they make me feel on them, but for how they make me feel sober, post-tripping.  Your mind is the main element of importance on psychedelics, not the psychedelics themselves.  You talk negatively about people that "glorify" mushrooms, but you put them in the same intensity of a light, just from the opposite viewpoint.  What should be glorified is our minds.  Don't blame inability to control it, sober or tripping, on the drug.  I don't mean that in a condescending manner either, as the mental landscape is a much more vast, silly, and confusing place than it's given credit for, particularly when we experience mental shocks that knock us out of the daily trance of our own little meaningless lives.

You talk about Saturday night "feeling" right, but did it really?  Considering how much of the landscape of the mind is hidden on a daily basis to most, it's impossible to know if you're in the right mindset unless you fully know yourself.  I personally find that it goes far beyond a simple word like "set" to encompass when I should and should not trip.  Every aspect of my sober life matters when it comes to the quality of a trip and what it does to affect my life down the road.  There have certainly been times when I didn't adequately prepare for trips, and I came to regret it, even if just because the trip wasn't as positive and euphoric as I knew it could have been.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14528190 - 05/28/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said: I initially thought my weekly use was too much, but I don't see how any other path would have changed the ultimate outcome.




You write elsewhere (incredulously, sarcastically?) about "a life of taking drugs" with "consistently positive outcomes." And here you seem to indicate that this life, or path, has the same layout and outcome regardless of how fast one rips through it. That is, if you'd spaced your trips to, say, once every 10 weeks instead of every week, it would have taken you 20 years to reach the same disillusioned state you've arrived at in just 2. You've squeezed in the best part of a lifetime of taking drugs "responsibly" in just 2 years. Let those hypocrites who have tripped as much as you cast the first stone, etc...

But if you drink 10 day's worth of water in a day, you could die. Rate of consumption doesn't just determine how quickly you learn: it determines what you learn, the whole character of your experience.

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If I'd stretched the time between trips, there wouldn't have been sober resolution, just sober longing to go back to that place.




I've never felt more grateful for having had some "bad trips" in early days, to beat back my unqualified longing to go back to that place. In the beginning, indeed, I wanted to trip often, so seductively euphoric/deep/beautiful were my first experiences. And then, the dark side. Did you never have any seriously terrifying, hellish trips powerful enough to make every Saturday any less of a green light?

I don't know why you didn't and i did. All my great trips later have still never made me forget that this stuff can rip my soul to shreds if I don't practice infinite respect, and that's simply too hard for me to accomplish every week.

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Pacmanpth said: Personally, they've helped me kill my addictions altogether.  ...  I don't take psychedelics for how they make me feel on them, but for how they make me feel sober, post-tripping. ... You talk about Saturday night "feeling" right, but did it really?  Considering how much of the landscape of the mind is hidden on a daily basis to most, it's impossible to know if you're in the right mindset unless you fully know yourself.  I personally find that it goes far beyond a simple word like "set" to encompass when I should and should not trip. Every aspect of my sober life matters when it comes to the quality of a trip and what it does to affect my life down the road.




Exactly. "Fully knowing yourself" is a tall order, though. When planning a trip, there's about a 72-hour window in advance where I try extra hard to make harmony in my household, business, circle of friends. Any failure and my plans are derailed.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14529484 - 05/29/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Joe, I'm sorry if my posts a few pages ago were harsh.  You were right, I do have some lingering cognitive dissonance emanating from my tripping experiences.  I am working on it, and I want to emphasize that I have gained valuable insights from tripping.  However it is not clear to me whether these insights would have been triggered without psychedelics.  I am still young and my tripping phase corresponded with some natural maturing that I was going through.  Sometimes it is hard to distinguish what was normal growth, from my psychedelic experiences. 

:peace: and respect, your message has reached my ears and is valuable to me.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14529528 - 05/29/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol. Just dont do it so much.  Maybe once a month.  When you do it too much, it gets to you.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: detest86]
    #14529907 - 05/29/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
Sometimes it is hard to distinguish what was normal growth, from my psychedelic experiences.





That's often the tough part and I don't think intelligence, smarts, or even common sense can shield or protect some people from entering territory that might be detrimental to their psychological health.  It can become like a trojan horse, sneaking in and infiltrating even the most skeptical and rational minds.  After all, its a game that you are playing with yourself and since you have strongly conflicting desires and oppositional or unclear endpoints, its easy to wind up in foreign territory hopelessly lost somewhere on the map and thinking you know where you are.  Many times you are really nowhere.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14530009 - 05/29/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's often the tough part and I don't think intelligence, smarts, or even common sense can shield or protect some people from entering territory that might be detrimental to their psychological health.  It can become like a trojan horse, sneaking in and infiltrating even the most skeptical and rational minds.  After all, its a game that you are playing with yourself and since you have strongly conflicting desires and oppositional or unclear endpoints, its easy to wind up in foreign territory hopelessly lost somewhere on the map and thinking you know where you are.  Many times you are really nowhere.




If you are that unable to control the direction that your own mind roams, you probably shouldn't be doing any drugs period.  If you haven't taken the time to explore your mind 100% in a sober state, how can you expect to control it in an amplified state?  There are endless metaphors for the carelessness that this behavior represents.  I can't say that I've met many people that psychedelics are appropriate for, simply because most people that I have met here don't know a thing about themselves or the capabilities of their own mind because they spend all of their time seeking entertainment and affirmation in things external to themselves.  I don't see this as some kind of superior state, it's just a matter of perspective.  Some people find comfort in the experience of the world, whereas I find comfort in the experience of the mind.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Pacmanpth]
    #14530056 - 05/29/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you are that unable to control the direction that your own mind roams, you probably shouldn't be doing any drugs period.




I'm not sure any of us can anticipate the defense mechanisms, the psychological tricks, or the subtle mind games that we play with ourselves even if we are fully aware that they exist and knowledgeable about the strategies that they employ.  Subconscious urges, biological instincts, and even poor, bad luck decisions all play a role in it.  Could I have been smarter about my drug use?  In hindsight, absolutely.  In the moment, though, I was following the path I was meant to follow and this was punctuated with incredibly compelling and seemingly irrefutable evidence that I was progressing.

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I can't say that I've met many people that psychedelics are appropriate for, simply because most people that I have met here don't know a thing about themselves or the capabilities of their own mind because they spend all of their time seeking entertainment and affirmation in things external to themselves.




I think that even the most rational, logical, controlled, well intentioned person still needs to have some luck on his side because these chemicals play hardball with those very traits.  They alter, distort, and fuck with a juicy, sexy kiss these very defenses that we need to keep us grounded.

Part of me sees drug use as that analogy I mentioned earlier: We're corks in an ocean and feel like we have control but we're at the mercy of the waves and the currents as we bob up and down hoping and wishing it all works out.  How much power do we have to propel ourselves to our desired destination?  It largely depends on the force of the tides no matter how hard we flail our arms and flap our legs.


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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
    #14531140 - 05/29/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fact is for me every single time I have had a different experience, every time without fail. Set, setting, ratios of psilocyn,psilocybin/baeocystin in the exact shrooms ingested, mood etc. etc. and frankly a touch of chaos. I have been in a great mood and then been totally weirded out for 4 hours an prefer it to have ended instead of having to make constant distractions. All part of the ride. It is not just about getting high it's about the unpredictable experience and the excitement and exhilaration of it. This is why I am a proponent of low dose shrooming. Easier to direct. I have actually yet to experience ANY negative effects from shrooming, other than transient slightly annoying trips. Even on those ones I feel absolutely F*cking fantastic the next day, Wake up early, great mood ready to take on what the day brings, feel enthusiastic, inspired, less worried about lifes ups and downs and very motivated.

Be more careful, responsible and you will enjoy and learn more, maybe.


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