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bholzer
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: drr]
#14501932 - 05/23/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drr said:
You're all just joe aren't you.
I'm starting to think its just me and joe molloy with a million user names on this forum


The same sentiments for sure!
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
#14501986 - 05/23/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I figured out my answer to life. I'm perfectly happy where I'm at, and luckily, psychedelic drugs are a part of my future.
The trick, the one that works for me anyways, is to just be present and give effort only to being happy, having a good time, and helping others.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Joolz]
#14501993 - 05/23/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Joolz said:

I figured out my answer to life. I'm perfectly happy where I'm at, and luckily, psychedelic drugs are a part of my future.
The trick, the one that works for me anyways, is to just be present and give effort only to being happy, having a good time, and helping others.
Sounds damn good to me. Nice philosophy man.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
#14502011 - 05/23/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah. Oh, and love karma and she will love you back.
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savage.renegade



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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: bholzer]
#14502053 - 05/23/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow still going. Awesome.
But yeah joe I would definitely take a break or never do pyschadelics again in your case. You're right in that you do not need them to live and love life. If they stop you from happiness, than if I were you I would run away and never look back
Im trying to put myself in your shoes. If I tripped every week for 2 years I would feel bad. I am a father, and if i wasted that much time on myself and not on my kids. I would feel like a selfish piece of shit. I would feel negative and generally feel like im not doing what im supposed to. I dont mean harm qith these words. Just tryin to relate.
I guess im backwards to everyone. My first drug was heroin not by choice(before i was born). Than peyote at a young age. Then marijauna. Then alcohol. So gateway theory is not my reality. Also lost my parents at the age of 5 and was thrown in the system and forced to survive with little direction. So of course my reality is different than yours.
I do know of addiction though. I believe most theories are incorrect. From what ive seen the problem is there in the person before any drug is. But they do accelerate it pretty fast. Ive grown quite a bit in the time ive been here and thank god i was able to resolve some of my inner issues and escape the hell that i created.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Joolz]
#14502098 - 05/23/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I just read through this thread and have some thoughts. First off, lay off JoeMolloy. He ain't trolling, that should be obvious. He has a different opinion. Deal with it. Challenge it. But don't just be like OMG TROLL I dont give a fuck what you say. You should give a fuck what he says.
This thread is refreshing. For anybody that takes the psychedelic experience seriously it is absolutely 100% necessary to doubt the experience. There is a similar analogy in religion and faith. How could one possible be faithful if they at one point did not question their God. Faith comes from knowing that you cannot really know, yet still going through the motions and the practices, the prayers. You just have to take it on faith.
Now that's not exactly the point of my post. I'm not saying people should just assume that psychedelics are good on the basis of faith. What I am saying though is that those who use psychedelics need to seriously question them and what they are and what they do. Just as psychedelics can make you seriously question the nature of consensus reality on the planet and how messed up the entire economic and social order is, so to must one question the "revelation" inherent in the psychedelic experience.
I've had a good amount of trips. I have definitely learned certain things about myself and benefited from them. Yet at the same time I have had trips, my most recent one comes to mind, in which afterwards I felt worse than before, more closed off, less open. Luckily by reflecting on this particular experience I am able to understand exactly why I felt that way afterwards.
I'm not going to go so far to say that I agree with Joe in his assessment that the psychedelic experience is "bullshit" but I certainly do think that idea is worthy of debate and thought. I think psychedelics are bullshit insofar as everything else is bullshit as well. Our culture is bullshit, our social norms- bullshit, politics - bullshit, religion- bullshit. It's all the same shit in different forms and manifestations. Psychedelics are just one piece of the puzzle, albeit a very strange and oddly shaped one. I certainly don't think they are a holy grail substance, however I do think that they can be used with tremendous benefit under the right circumstances. Also they can be a hell of a lot of fun.
On another note, JoeMolloy you said that you felt that after your experiences, and the "progress" you made that eventually you came back to baseline and didn't really feel any better or more developed(?) from your trips. When I read that I was reminded of Be Here Now in which Ram Dass talks about how when he was with Tim Leary and that gang they would be taking acid all the time, going on essentially week-long binges of drinking liquid acid every day. He goes on to say that no matter how awesome it was, no matter how mystical and beautiful and "life-changing" the experiences were that he eventually came back to baseline and retreated into his old, usual, neurotic self.
According to him this was the central problem with psychedelics. No matter how high you get you ALWAYS come back down. So he traveled to India and met the guru and all that, and then thought that one should live a spiritual life to stay in that "high" mindset but without the drugs. Idk if that's the best way to go about things but hey it seems to have worked for him.
Lastly I have one more thing regarding Terence McKenna and psychedelics that I have not seen brought up yet in this thread. McKenna said that one of the best, most useful things that one could use psychedelics for was to get new ideas. Our world is fucked, and there are problems. Psychedelics do offer interesting potential for new forms of thought. He said we should use the psychedelic experience to bring back as many good ideas as we can. Using the analogy of a fishing net he said some ideas are too big to be practical and our net (mind/body application process) couldn't hold them. Other ideas, while cool, were small and trivial and slip through the net. The goal, in his words, is to find those medium sized ideas that can actually be applied to one's life in some way. Yeah you might realize everything in the universe is connected but what good is that information if you do not do anything with it? You wanna be like Francis Crick, take a little bit of acid, think about a problem in your life whether it relates to work, relationships, inventions, or whatever, and use the drug to help you overcome or work around those. You might just discover some baller shit that revolutionizes the world. Or you might make your life a little more enjoyable.
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yabbahabba
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: halo]
#14502322 - 05/24/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I heard posting on magic mushroom message boards makes you gay.
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savage.renegade



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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: yabbahabba]
#14502384 - 05/24/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I heard that when someone uses an insult over and over its called self projecting your issues on others. Not calling you closet homosexual. Just the more you know.lol. j/k
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1a4
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it's awe inspiring and fun and gives you an interesting way to look at things ... things i enjoy, but i'm not going to look at it as some sort of deity
Edited by 1a4 (05/24/11 01:12 AM)
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farmer88



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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14502891 - 05/24/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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latherdome said: If I have a regret, it's minor: I can't share my experiences with people I know and in some cases love, because I know I sound crazy and it frightens them. I am pleased to be able to contain craziness better than a Japanese reactor core, so far. Containment is itself a strength-building exercise.
Yep, most of my near and dearest either don't know or don't understand, real shame and like latherdome, a minor regret. Now for some cheery stuff
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SummerDaisies
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: farmer88]
#14502941 - 05/24/11 05:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drug abuse is drug abuse...
youre surprised?
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gerryjarcia
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy] 1
#14503221 - 05/24/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I haven't tripped in five weeks. That's a record for me because for the past six months I've had weekly mescaline trips and for two years before that I had weekly oral DMT/ayahuasca trips. During those two an a half years of Saturday tripping, I also managed to squeeze in a bunch of shroom and LSA trips. No weed, drinking, or any other drugs. Am I a good test subject for helping to determine some of the effects of our favorite drugs?
Meh, this thread just confirmed some assumptions i had about you, Joe. you're a fundamentalist to the hilt. when you do something you go all out. then, when you stop doing something (in this case it happens to be psychedelics) you try to make a massively broad case for nearly everyone elses psychedelic usage.
it's born out of insecurity. you're afraid to be alone in what you're experiencing. it's a common human reaction to going "too far out" and not being able to personally integrate your experiences back into everyday life.
i see you preaching your gospel of "psychedelics do more harm than good for most people" on many, many threads.
it would be great to see you get to a point in your life where you're secure enough to have your own experiences and realize that those are YOUR experiences, not everyone elses.
i'm sure you're a cool guy, i'm just not too fond of all the preaching
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14503274 - 05/24/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's born out of insecurity. you're afraid to be alone in what you're experiencing. it's a common human reaction to going "too far out" and not being able to personally integrate your experiences back into everyday life.
i see you preaching your gospel of "psychedelics do more harm than good for most people" on many, many threads.
The only problem with this is that if my experiences were positive and I felt that they ultimately enhanced my life and I proclaimed that these drugs "probably did more good than harm" then in your eyes I wouldn't be insecure, preachy, or fundamentalist. My opinions would confirm the the general consensus held most psychonauts and the opinion would be a non-issue even if it was broadly generalized.
The only reason why broad generalizations piss anyone off is because they conflict with preconceived notions of the medicinal/beneficial/positive effects of these drugs.
Really instead of a lot of the personal attacks on me, the intelligent reactions should be, "That's sort of interesting what happened to him. I'll file that away so it doesn't happen to me" or "Why couldn't he see the damage he was causing? He took all those drugs and then complains about negative consequences" or "Holy shit, his path resonates with mine and I have a lot of the same thoughts and experiences as him. I better fine tune my bullshit detector" or "Joe Molloy needs to get off the drugs" or "He just needs to integrate."
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: SummerDaisies]
#14503281 - 05/24/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SummerDaisies said: drug abuse is drug abuse...
youre surprised?
What a trite and simplistic comment.
I think what is really interesting is that I tripped for two and a half years and became blind to the psychological damage it was causing. I thought I was improving myself and growing. I didn't view it as negative or abusive even when it was destructive to my ability to function in consensus reality. That's a mindfuck and your simplistic view suggests a topical understanding of addiction, abuse, and powerful mind-altering chemicals.
Sometimes what seems so obvious at the surface belies deep complexities just below.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14503296 - 05/24/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Really instead of a lot of the personal attacks on me, the intelligent reactions should be, "That's sort of interesting what happened to him. I'll file that away so it doesn't happen to me" or "Why couldn't he see the damage he was causing? He took all those drugs and then complains about negative consequences" or "Holy shit, his path resonates with mine and I have a lot of the same thoughts and experiences as him. I better fine tune my bullshit detector" or "Joe Molloy needs to get off the drugs" or "He just needs to integrate."
i appreciate you A) telling me how i should react/respond and B) attempting to insult me in a backhanded manner 
i get what you're trying to say, Joe. it's just the way in which you go about saying it that i'm not in agreement. it's funny but i actually said nothing about my personal opinion as to whether or not they are "positive" or "negative".
you assume too much.
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joemolloy
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14503300 - 05/24/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, the first two paragraphs of my post were directed at you.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: joemolloy]
#14503307 - 05/24/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh. gotcha.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14503949 - 05/24/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting for any shred of proof that psychedelic drugs lead you to harder drugs, other than you say so. Maybe this was the case for you after abusing the psychedelics but in that case you were probably more likely to abuse any drug if you were willing to abuse psychedelics. I realize that you didn't say anything about personal hard drug use but it was implied by your OP. Maybe that has something to do with feeling like, as you said, a retard.
Some people are just wired to want to be intoxicated, or get themselves to be that way. Can't discount individual personality playing a role in these situations.
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: saxcidjazz]
#14504113 - 05/24/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The one point i feel is being missed, EVERY drug (illegal and legal) has its good side, and a bad side.
I was addicted to speed aged 15. Even though I feel that speed is a dangerous, filthy drug, I fully understand my view of this drug has been tainted by my bad experience. If I would have used it responsibly I would not have built up a dependency. That is NOT the drugs fault, It's mine for being a stupid cunt.
Reflecting on both the good and bad, the knowledge I pass on to you will be;
'EVERY drug should be respected and used wisely. If you take the piss with any drug (overdose, overuse/misuse), It WILL bite you in the arse, rape you and leave you bleeding in the corner, whimpering like a little girl.'
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Re: My dirty little psychedelic drug habit [Re: SpiritDreamer]
#14504216 - 05/24/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SpiritDreamer said: The one point i feel is being missed, EVERY drug (illegal and legal) has its good side, and a bad side.
I was addicted to speed aged 15. Even though I feel that speed is a dangerous, filthy drug, I fully understand my view of this drug has been tainted by my bad experience. If I would have used it responsibly I would not have built up a dependency. That is NOT the drugs fault, It's mine for being a stupid cunt.
Reflecting on both the good and bad, the knowledge I pass on to you will be;
'EVERY drug should be respected and used wisely. If you take the piss with any drug (overdose, overuse/misuse), It WILL bite you in the arse, rape you and leave you bleeding in the corner, whimpering like a little girl.'
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"We are all intoxicated. We were born into an insane asylum, a world crazy-making. We believe what we see and hear. The real myth is the myth of sanity, of rationality: it's a disease that is eating away at the earth. All the poisons flow from our denial. We deny madness, we forget our crimes, we dismember the corpse, we imprison our children. We need poison to poison the poison, to remember the sacred nature of intoxication, the green body of the young god." ~ Dale Pendell
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