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The_Ghost
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Are You a rape supporter?
#14480256 - 05/19/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if
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A man is a rape-supporter if…
He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion. He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense. He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man. He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked. He has procured a prostitute. He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes. He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional. He has gone to a strip club. He is anti-abortion. He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available. He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.” He watches pornography in which women are depicted. He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present. He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get” a man. He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed. He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment, street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual objectification. He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them. He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically ill. He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention. He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the men. He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a man’s. He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing women. He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.” He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.” He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children. He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.” He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing. He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity. He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.
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learningtofly
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: The_Ghost]
#14480271 - 05/19/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i only rape girls if they refuse to have sex with me
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lil_demented
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: The_Ghost]
#14480273 - 05/19/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread made me look at porn.
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Anthony917
why dont we do it in the road



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sorry...rape is forced intercourse with an unwilling victim.
i do not support rape
unless its ass rape
-------------------- Prisoner#1 said: I got my ass kicked by a 9yo when I was 17 Trippin? Click Me
What is life? I'm tired of life...
Edited by Anthony917 (05/19/11 06:46 PM)
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lil_demented
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im done
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LadyLittleZeppelin
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It's considered rape if the female was high at the time?
I SUPPORT RAPE
It was the best sex I've ever fuckin had 
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He watches pornography in which women are depicted
So you're either gay or a rapist I know which one I would pick If I were a guy...
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lil_demented
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If you were high too then it doesn't count.
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Salomon
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rape is dandy if it's consequential
i'd hate to stirr the iorny pot
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lil_demented
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: Salomon]
#14480341 - 05/19/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is choking a girl cool? Cause I usually reach out and choke a bitch during sex. Just enough to get her to black out a little bit.
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LadyLittleZeppelin
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lil_demented said: If you were high too then it doesn't count.
What if he was high and his high wore off? Does he go from non-rapist to a rapist? I sure the hell wasn't complaining.
-------------------- SHROOMS MAKE YOU GAY ~ Crystal G said: its cuzzzzzz i giiiiiive a meeeeean blooooowjjjobbbb.
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I_was_the_walrus
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Quote:
He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing.
wtf?
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LadyLittleZeppelin
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So a man is a rapist if he turns down a unappealing fat chick?
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learningtofly
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lil_demented said: Is choking a girl cool? Cause I usually reach out and choke a bitch during sex. Just enough to get her to black out a little bit. 
my x used to make her choke her and she would make choking noises and she would never tell me to stop but i always would because i cared about her but she would have let me choke her to death without resistance
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I_was_the_walrus
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No wonder the prisons are so full...
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Le_Canard
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No. Even if he has sex with a fat chick, he's still a rapist because he had sex with her.
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The_Ghost
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: Le_Canard]
#14480425 - 05/19/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah theres no way around it. We should just embrace it.
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Le_Canard
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: The_Ghost]
#14480453 - 05/19/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rape is fun! 
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The Boat
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: The_Ghost]
#14480454 - 05/19/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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add a new one to the list
:your a male
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NetDiver
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I left the following criticism of her article, which she probably won't let appear on her page. 
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A lot of your list items do not qualify people as “rape-supporters,” IMO. For instance, it’s perfectly possible for two people to agree to get drunk/high and then have sex without rape being involved whatsoever.
Also, I don’t think it’s at all valid to say that prostitution could never be a legitimate job choice under any circumstances. To speak in such absolutes is to imply the existence of an objective, impersonal standard by which every single person can be judged — a standard that conveniently coincides precisely with your viewpoint. Some people are very promiscuous and enjoy sex. Others have claimed that working in pornography is liberating through its defiance of conservative attitudes towards sex and marriage, etc. Are you just going to dismiss all of their desires and attitudes towards making money from sex because they happen to differ from yours?
Or, are you going to go another route, and say that women working in pornography and prostitution are doing so due to societal and economic pressure, and not their own free will?
That’s an even bigger problem, because if you’re going to remove the element of individual free agency from the equation (i.e. ability to freely choose a job), and claim that prostitution/pornography are illegitimate job choices because the women working in those agencies are not acting out of their own free-will, then you also have to admit that the men who purchase prostitutes and watch pornography are acting through no fault of their own, as they too are purely social constructions with no free agency.
In other words, if you’re going to invoke societal + economic pressures to invalidate womens’ choices, you must do the same for men, unless you are to imply that men have free-will while women lack it. Either pornography/prostitution is a legitimate job choice (because the women freely chose it), AND men are guilty of a wrong for freely choosing to support it, OR porn/prostitution is an illegitimate job choice (because the women did NOT freely choose it), AND men are not guilty of any wrong, because they were not freely choosing to support it.
The one about “framing discussions of pornography in terms of freedom of speech” is even more ridiculous, because the lines between “pornography,” “art,” and “literature,” can be very blurry, and can often be defied to the advantage of those in high-class, privileged positions of power. Freedom of speech is a very important factor in this argument — and not only men think so, either (for some sources of female philosophers who also hold this viewpoint, see the end of this post)*.
So, by your logic, all men, and a good percentage of women (including many highly educated academics, and the president of the ACLU) are “rape supporters” — basically everyone who doesn’t hold to your extremely narrow and biased viewpoint. Unless you can put forth some very good justification for the use of such extreme terminology and shock-language, you should probably refrain from using it if you care in the least about your credibility.
There’s an awful lot about “sexual objectification” in there, too. Mind telling me how that’s differentiated from “sexual desire,” which is a biological instinct present in the vast majority of both men AND women?
I’d say you have a fair mount of explaining to do before you can claim that any of those items (and many more on the list subject to similar concerns) are in any way indicative of support of rape.
*See the work of feminist philosopher Susie Bright, playwright Holly Hughes (whose feminist work was banned due to censorship of sexually-explicit material) and the Feminists Against Censorship organization).
- http://susiebright.blogs.com/Old_Static_Site_Files/Prime_Of_Kitty_MacKinnon.pdf - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_pornography#Feminist_critique_of_censorship
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Re: Are You a rape supporter? [Re: NetDiver]
#14480490 - 05/19/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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According to the list depicted above, I am a rape supporter in almost every way.
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