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Patlal
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14478377 - 05/19/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said: What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?
What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources? Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?
We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft. You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.
Why did you have to make this complicated... lol
This conversation was doing good, killing the thieves even if they were babies.... now were gonna have to kill all this new people you mention...
Bullets are expensive in the long run!
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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
#14478386 - 05/19/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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nice1 said: What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?
What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources? Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?
We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft. You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.
Why did you have to make this complicated... lol
This conversation was doing good, killing the thieves even if they were babies.... now were gonna have to kill all this new people you mention...
Bullets are expensive in the long run!
gas is much more efficient.
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nice1
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Cheers.
Patlal it is a complex question though.
People who have really studied theft have found that is actually the environment that causes people to steal. I mean we have structured our society in a way that makes people want to steal. The psychologists in Zeitgeist 3 absolutely nailed it. I'm not that great at explaining it but to anyone that doesn't understand why the environment causes theft they should watch Zeitgeist 3.
There are tribes where they don't have our western concepts of ownership and greedy accumulation. They all borrow from each other and its agreed and they never have anyone stealing.
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Patlal
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14478463 - 05/19/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Cheers.
Patlal it is a complex question though.
People who have really studied theft have found that is actually the environment that causes people to steal. I mean we have structured our society in a way that makes people want to steal. The psychologists in Zeitgeist 3 absolutely nailed it. I'm not that great at explaining it but to anyone that doesn't understand why the environment causes theft they should watch Zeitgeist 3.
There are tribes where they don't have a philosophy of ownership. They all borrow from each other and its agreed and they never have anyone stealing.
The Zeitgeist thing... I never watched that.
What the hell is it and why does everybody talk about it. How long is it, if its a movie, which it most likely is.
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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
#14478474 - 05/19/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your gonna want to watch it in sections if you don't have time / attention span. It should be mandatory viewing for everyone.
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Patlal
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14478485 - 05/19/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said:
Your gonna want to watch it in sections if you don't have time / attention span. It should be mandatory viewing for everyone. 
Thanks. I'll check it out
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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
#14478524 - 05/19/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is the only zeitgeist worth watching
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14479436 - 05/19/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said: What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?
What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources? Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?
We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft. You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.
Bizzare.
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14479631 - 05/19/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Loaning isnt stealing.
Taking resources in exchange for currency (which circulates around the nation so people can eat and drive cars) is not theft.
Also, im not talking about corporations and governments here.
So say you buy a car. After 60 months of hard work, you finally pay off your car and its all yours. I break into your home and while in the process of wiring your car, you catch me. You are standing there watching a stranger attempt to steal something that you have worked so hard for, and now its being compromised. Do you let me have it? Or do you intervene? Do you feel sorry for me and let me take the fruits of your labor, or do you pop a cap in my ass?
This isnt about conspiracies or the fucked up shit that governments do.
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Stealing for survival is fine imo, but if your able bodied and able to work then im gonna shoot your ass, nothing worse than a lazy nigger who think's he's gonna just help himself to the resources I worked hard to collect. And those little petty thief's are the worst, like honestly whats the god damn point, if your gonna steal something then find something worthwhile retards.
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Fuck them. They need to grow some balls and step up to robbing gas stations and banks. Then let's see how far they'd get.
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nice1
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Well its just basic.
You steal my apple im eating I'm not happy that alone tells me not to take yours.
After that its all hypothetical crazyness... like what if you were feeding a baby with the apple and I was old and had 2 apples?
I'm not on about conspiracies anyway. That word has just become some generic term for anything out of the box Its no conspiracy - we have a greed to which we have agreed.
Loaning is a form of theft if you are intending on stealing from them as a result of a bad loan - its just a bit more of clever theft. The bigger picture is the world runs on theft of every kind. None of it is right. Its all wrong. We need a paradigm shift. imagine a world that was like a library - people just borrowed things when they needed them.
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14479968 - 05/19/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Well its just basic.
You steal my apple im eating I'm not happy that alone tells me not to take yours.
After that its all hypothetical crazyness... like what if you were feeding a baby with the apple and I was old and had 2 apples?
I'm not on about conspiracies anyway. That word has just become some generic term for anything out of the box Its no conspiracy - we have a greed to which we have agreed.
Loaning is a form of theft if you are intending on stealing from them as a result of a bad loan - its just a bit more of clever theft. The bigger picture is the world runs on theft of every kind. None of it is right. Its all wrong. We need a paradigm shift. imagine a world that was like a library - people just borrowed things when they needed them.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
#14480254 - 05/19/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well as noble as it is to feed a baby with the apple stolen from you, you are going to be hungry later and you wont have that second apple to feed yourself. Suffering was traded for suffering. Now the same thief could have just went to the store and ran out with many, many apples, and nobody would suffer, and he can feed the baby and himself for a good period of time.
Also, as you said, having that apple stolen wouldnt make you happy. So you wouldnt spread this unhappiness by stealing other peoples apples, right? I wouldnt steal for the same reason. I dont want my actions to affect others negatively. However, there are people out there who dont see it that way, and they will take all your food and your valuables along with your car. It doesnt matter to them that you will starve, be out of money, and become unemployed for not showing up for work. Im not going to let them get away with that. People like that are selfish and serve only to undermine a working contributing society.
Im all for giving a man a fish, but he needs to learn how to fish just like the rest of us.
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