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    #14478375 - 05/19/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So I am on my first grow, I have 6 cakes that should have never been made in the Fc now, they have been there for 11 days now and you can see what little growth they have had. My friend said oh we can makes cakes of anything, so they were made with WBS not simmered, BRF, Verm, and cow manure (pasteurized). Any chance they will grow to maturity? I also started an LC and was wondering what you folks think of it. It was started on the third of May. I can see little spots in the center of each mycelium clump, not sure what they are though. Spores maybe? Also I have some pics of BRF cakes that I did correctly and some WBS I did as well. They were both done on the third as well. I will fruit the cakes and spawn the WBS to coir/verm/gypsum/bone meal and fruit from that. I think. . .  Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14478394 - 05/19/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well you cant tell if an LC is clean until you test it.
which is why i dont do sugar based LCs

search for Agar's Grain LC

also your fruiting chamber isnt built very well for cakes.

give this a read http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


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    #14478620 - 05/19/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What is wrong with it? It is based on that video actually, I have a lid for it but I took it off for the picture. The mister is to supply extra humidity, the RH in my room is at about 13%. Thank you for the info on not knowing until you test it. It was a honey based tek.

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14478642 - 05/19/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe its just hard to see, but i cant see the holes in your FC. Are they there? All sides? 1/4"?

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14478740 - 05/19/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can't tell w/ the LC. I only recommend using (Extra) Light Malt Extract + water for LCs. 1g (E)LME per 600mL of water.

To take a good picture of an LC, set down the jar behind a desklight that's on. Turn off the lights in the room & step back a bit & zoom in.

Here's a Dancing Tiger LC I did a few months back


First jar is ready to go. Second looks good too. Nicely done

Can't tell anything from the pic of the cakes in the FC. You made sure to  dunk them for 24 hours then roll in verm, right? Fan & mist schedule? 4-5" of perlite on the bottom?


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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14479093 - 05/19/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you Todlow, I am not sure if they are ready I shook the hell of it today after those pics and it still has some grain that is not 100% covered, there are 1/4 holes on all six sides it just does not show up in the pics. 4 inches of perlite, although for one day I found it incredibly hard to keep it at 95% RH, think it was the cakes sucking it all out? Yesterday only one cake had pin formation and now three do, think there is still a chance they will fruit to maturity? they have been in the FC for 11 days I believe.

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: PileusSonofGalt]
    #14479112 - 05/19/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, if you've got pins then you've got mushis...who knows if they ALL grow out, but I'm sure some will.

Your cakes aren't "sucking" any RH out, if anything they provide more due to moisture evaporating off the surface of them, which is THE #1 pinning trigger.


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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14479138 - 05/19/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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moisture evaporating off the surface of them, which is THE #1 pinning trigger.



FAE is the #1 pinning trigger.  It's simple cause and affect.  The moisture evaporation and the micro-climate created are both affects of, or caused by FAE.

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    #14479173 - 05/19/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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moisture evaporating off the surface of them, which is THE #1 pinning trigger.



FAE is the #1 pinning trigger.  It's simple cause and affect.  The moisture evaporation and the micro-climate created are both affects of, or caused by FAE.




Yes but if there was FAE and no moisture, nothing would happen.

Thus, i would go with calling the Evap itself the trigger moreso than the FAE (thats not to say they arent both triggers).

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14479186 - 05/19/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Without FAE, moisture won't continue to evaporate from the substrate.  What little evaporation that does take place will be taking place into a CO2 laden, stale-aired environment and your mushrooms won't pin.  Cubensis mushrooms require one full exchange of air (O2) in order to fruit to the best of their potential indoors (which should be 80-90% expressed in the first 2 flushes).

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14479209 - 05/19/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Without FAE, moisture won't continue to evaporate from the substrate.  What little evaporation that does take place will be taking place into a CO2 laden, stale-aired environment and your mushrooms won't pin.  Cubensis mushrooms require one full exchange of air (O2) in order to fruit to the best of their potential indoors (which should be 80-90% expressed in the first 2 flushes).




I think the key words there are 'best of their potential'.

As far as i know, even in a stifled CO2 rich environment with very little to no fae, it can still pin. Granted not ANYWHERE near as well, but pins can still form. They may also stunt, and not get any bigger. But i don't think its 'only' the air as you imply.

I prefer to think of it as a formula with many 'x'(s) and 'y'(s) in it. While some are smaller or bigger numbers than the others, take one out or mess with it and your whole formula can get screwed.

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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14479308 - 05/19/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Given the fact that you'v provided the proper moisture content to your prepared substrate and dialed in the proper fruiting conditions for the mushroom being cultivated e.g., air supply, lighting, temperature, and RH.  FAE is the number one pinning trigger.

Of coarse mushrooms can and will still pin in an CO2 laden environment, it's just as an indoor cultuvator, the goal is to get the most (yield) out of the time, money, effort, and most importantly, the risk being taken when cultivating psilocybe cubensis mushrooms indoors.

There must be a terrible misunderstanding.  Please point out where I said or even "implied" FAE is the "only" pinning trigger as you'v stated and I will agree with you that there's no such thing as a #1 pinning trigger and that FAE's not it.

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    #14479339 - 05/19/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

FAE causes evaporation of moisture from the substrate, especially the surface. I agree fully w/ that. But you have to have 1 & the other. 1 w/out the other is shit. Look @ the overlay pictures out there.

High CO2 colonization is a pinning STRATEGY. Not trigger.

I keep my monos in colonization/consolidation until I get 3-6 pins (about 2cm tall) & then introduce into fruiting conditions.

Here's a pic 2 minutes after introducing my tub into fruiting conditions.



5 days later



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Re: Hello everyone, especially you RogerRabbit! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14479396 - 05/19/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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FAE causes evaporation of moisture from the substrate, especially the surface. I agree fully w/ that. But you have to have 1 & the other. 1 w/out the other is shit.




This was all I really meant, and I said you (Dcotor) implied for a reason (merely my interpretation).

I didn't not mean to imply that you were 100% wrong, or that i was right (i am very much a noob).

By saying that FAE is the #1 over Evap, that's what you 'implied'. I was tying to imply that really, they are both one in the same, and if anything, they are BOTH, #1.

Apologies for any offense you may have taken, it was not intended.

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    #14479503 - 05/19/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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FAE causes evaporation of moisture from the substrate, especially the surface. I agree fully w/ that. But you have to have 1 & the other. 1 w/out the other is shit.




This was all I really meant, and I said you (Dcotor) implied for a reason (merely my interpretation).

I didn't not mean to imply that you were 100% wrong, or that i was right (i am very much a noob).

By saying that FAE is the #1 over Evap, that's what you 'implied'. I was tying to imply that really, they are both one in the same, and if anything, they are BOTH, #1.

Apologies for any offense you may have taken, it was not intended.





your wrong
evaporation is the biggest

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    #14479522 - 05/19/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NO Fanning & NO misting...



Fan More.

Those caps are small and stipes are thin and stretchy.  To me the "asses" look a little fat but I see no fuzzies on the bottoms of those stipes.  All of which are symptoms of lack of fresh air exchange.

I'd remove some, if not all of that poly-fil for fruiting.  The amount of poly-fil removed would be determined by whether or not a fan set to low was placed in the room, indirectly pointing at the fruiting chambers, creating a passive ariflow.

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This was all I really meant, and I said you (Dcotor) implied for a reason (merely my interpretation).

I didn't not mean to imply that you were 100% wrong, or that i was right (i am very much a noob).

By saying that FAE is the #1 over Evap, that's what you 'implied'. I was tying to imply that really, they are both one in the same, and if anything, they are BOTH, #1.

Apologies for any offense you may have taken, it was not intended.



Air coming into contact with the moisture of the substrate in turn causes the moisture to evaporate, thus creating the desired micro-climate for high yielding substrates.

There's no need to apologize.  If you'r anything like me, you can't get enough of the subject at hand, that we've all gravitated towards, and enjoy talking about Mycology.  We are all here to learn, fine-tune, and sharpen our cultivation skills as Amaturer, Hobbyist, or Professional Mycologists.  No offense taken, ever.

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    #14479524 - 05/19/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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FAE causes evaporation of moisture from the substrate, especially the surface. I agree fully w/ that. But you have to have 1 & the other. 1 w/out the other is shit.




This was all I really meant, and I said you (Dcotor) implied for a reason (merely my interpretation).

I didn't not mean to imply that you were 100% wrong, or that i was right (i am very much a noob).

By saying that FAE is the #1 over Evap, that's what you 'implied'. I was tying to imply that really, they are both one in the same, and if anything, they are BOTH, #1.

Apologies for any offense you may have taken, it was not intended.





your wrong
evaporation is the biggest




Seriously read the thread dude. Im NOT saying FAE is the biggest. Im also not saying evap is the biggest.

Learn to read.

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    #14479545 - 05/19/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm:

its retarded newbs like you that keep me off this site,

FAE and evaporation are completely different,

a water logged substrate wont pin
you need evaporation for anything in life to work

learn to live

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    #14479591 - 05/19/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14479607 - 05/19/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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its retarded newbs like you that keep me off this site,

FAE and evaporation are completely different,

a water logged substrate wont pin
you need evaporation for anything in life to work

learn to live




Did i say they were the same? Did i say that a waterlogged cake would pin? No, i said a cake in a CO2 rich environment 'could' still pin.

So now your just putting words into my mouth, then call me a retarded noob for it. Classic.

Go ahead and stay off the site, its probably better without you anyways.

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