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pcnubie
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felines and 2c-i
#14477981 - 05/19/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever given felines or any other animals psychedelics, what did you observe, how did the animals react, did it affect the health of the animal?
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: pcnubie]
#14477999 - 05/19/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: Fractalus]
#14478083 - 05/19/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hope you are asking this question before trying it, and not in response to.
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pcnubie
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: mukhail]
#14478113 - 05/19/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, i'm not about to give my best friends something that could injure them.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: pcnubie]
#14478129 - 05/19/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never personally tested psychedelics on animals but I have thought about it (what would happen, that this). My hypothesis is any long term health risks that could be observed in animals could be observed in humans. For instance I doubt a safe psychedelic like LSD would cause any harm to the cat BUT 2c-i on the other hand may pose additional health risks as it's had less research done.
The thing to remember is that human and animal physiology, while similar, still differ in many ways. Usually animal testing is done on rodents first, then felines, then non-human primates. Each step bringing it closer to human physiology. Once a non-human primate is deemed safe then human testing is considered.
Often human testing is far less invasive and intrusive that animal testing. This is because social ethics dictate that the no.1 priority is always the health of the human, rather than the success of the study. While this does limit research into human health - it also protects human rights.
As far as psychological effects are concerned than I'm not certain as to how a feline would respond. Assuming that it would be either a negative or positive experience would futile because there are too many factors to predict. The only way for you to find out how a feline would respond psychologically to the administration of a psychedelic is to actually give it one and see what happens.
Of course keep in mind that animals can't communicate their abstract thoughts and therefore attempting to study psychological effects on a feline would be pointless. For instance you may observe that the cats heart race in elevated - but you would be unable to tell if that is caused by the action of the 2c-i or the flight or fight response. Even with sophisticated equipment, psychological testing is best spent with humans, i.e. do a study on your human friends (with their consent of course) 
Careful about talking about animal testing too. While I'm a man of science and understand that benefits it can lead too, many psychedelic users are victims of animal rights propaganda. As far as I'm concerned do any experiment you like - it's YOUR cat after all. However bear in mind people have been arrested for animal cruelty for things like this before. If you choose to experiment on your cat then I wouldn't go boasting about it too all your friends.
Another thing I think that's relevant is that DMT, while completely harmless in humans, causes fatal brain damage in sheep. If you engage in any animal testing you have to be ready to accept the fact that the subject may indeed die as a result of your actions.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: Dawks]
#14478187 - 05/19/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would recommend finding a monkey and asking him if you can give him some mind altering drugs.
If he throws his feces at you, I would refrain...If he picks lice out of your hair and eats it, then I would say go for it...
Remember, if he gets out of line, it is perfectly acceptable to spank the monkey.....
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: Dawks]
#14478195 - 05/19/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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feels animal abused, man.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: pcnubie]
#14478293 - 05/19/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My friends cat LOVED to munch on his mushrooms. Often the little fucker would attack the cakes themselves in an attempt to get intoxicated. She would eat some mushrooms and start chasing fractal mice.
My cat knows when Im fucked up and usually does her thing to calm me down. I've only given her weed and she started drooling and making that purr sound that cats do when it 
But when she had kittens she totally freaked out when I was around playing with the kittens on acid. Like serious brutal attacks and freak outs 
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it's animal abuse and cruelty. don't do it.
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Had a dog once that ate an unspecified amount of drying liberty caps
Said in one place... Whined... Shook... Was ok in a few hours... Based on it's reactions, would say it scared it
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: funegi]
#14479429 - 05/19/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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funegi said: it's animal abuse and cruelty. don't do it.
seriously.
Also I've had a vet tell my girlfriend and I to not have the cat around when we toke. They can't break down thc in their systems so they stay high forever and it only gets worse the more you do it. I'm not an expert, its just what the vet said, but we did take her in cause she became really anti-social and erratic.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: airclay]
#14479468 - 05/19/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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InvisibleDawks Careful about talking about animal testing too. While I'm a man of science and understand that benefits it can lead too, many psychedelic users are victims of animal rights propaganda. As far as I'm concerned do any experiment you like - it's YOUR cat after all. However bear in mind people have been arrested for animal cruelty for things like this before. If you choose to experiment on your cat then I wouldn't go boasting about it too all your friends.
Its hardly fucking animal rights propaganda. Just because you own a pet doesn't mean you have the right to be potentially cruel to it.
0 Shrooms man, I hope your just young and are just acting tough.
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Is anyone of you guys a cat on drugs?
If not then STFU mmmkay
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: airclay]
#14479516 - 05/19/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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airclay said:
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funegi said: it's animal abuse and cruelty. don't do it.
seriously.
Also I've had a vet tell my girlfriend and I to not have the cat around when we toke. They can't break down thc in their systems so they stay high forever and it only gets worse the more you do it. I'm not an expert, its just what the vet said, but we did take her in cause she became really anti-social and erratic.
Bullshit. My friend has a cat who is very skeptical and (although he doesn't have claws) will swat at you. We get him high, and he's just like any other cat that wants to rub up and be hugged and cuddled. Then, a couple hours later, he comes down and is a stupid asshole again.
So, 100% bullshit imo.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: Joolz]
#14479622 - 05/19/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I made some DXM extract and put it into capsules. Dropped one on the floor as I was putting them into baggies and my dog just ran up and ate 800mg of DXM.
It didnt seem to have any effect, other than making the dog walk like it was drunk. 3 hours into it though the dog just went to sleep on the lounge, and woke up the next morning like nothing happened.
I dont know much about dogs digestive system but seeing as they are mammals they would have one slightly similar to humans,
The dog weighed 60kg and I think it just had a high plateau dose, and ended up passing out from its anaesthetic effects.
Edited by PoopyGonzales (05/19/11 04:53 PM)
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: airclay]
#14479710 - 05/19/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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airclay said:
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funegi said: it's animal abuse and cruelty. don't do it.
seriously.
Also I've had a vet tell my girlfriend and I to not have the cat around when we toke. They can't break down thc in their systems so they stay high forever and it only gets worse the more you do it. I'm not an expert, its just what the vet said, but we did take her in cause she became really anti-social and erratic.
Sounds like some typical bullshit.
My cat loves getting high. She sits up and squints her eyes and sniffs up the smoke I blow at her. She ran away the first couple times but then she started coming back. She also eats massive amounts of catnip and I don't think there's any problem with it. If she didn't like it I wouldn't force it on her at all.
Psychedelics are another thing altogether, let alone research chemicals. Who knows how cats react to phenethylamine psychedelics. Don't do it, I agree, it is animal cruelty.
We've all seen that cat on LSD video from the 50s or 60s right? Nobody wants to put their pet through that.
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tymoteusz3 said: Its hardly fucking animal rights propaganda. Just because you own a pet doesn't mean you have the right to be potentially cruel to it.
Of course I agree that one should not be intentionally cruel to their pets - or any life form for that matter, it's just that there are many instances where bona-fide research and education gets shat upon because of people's misguided moral and ethical values.
Back in college I had a misfortune of being around at the time of many "animal rights" protesters who would consistently sabotage the equipment and free lab animals over and over and over. There came a point where all the biology staff and student's names (mine included) were leaked and pinned up on posters around campus. On these posters it pictured some smeared blood and said "you cut them alive, we cut you alive" (this was in reference to the classes [failed] attempts to perform a vivisection on frogs).
During this time I seriously considered (and eventually did) drop out of biology all together, especially seeing as how it was just a filler subject that I was taking at the time and I was genuinely starting to feel scared for my life and that of my fellow students.
Of course in the end we got the do the vivisection and I must say it was one of the most memorable and fascinating things I did in biology. The frogs were fatally anesthetized before the surgery, so of course they didn't feel any pain... but these "animal rights hippies" (as we called them) didn't care. They just wanted something to big note their own sense of morality and stand in the way of interesting scientific exploration.
In a way it's exactly the same as the meat industry - the animals are bread and inevitably killed to serve the betterment of mankind. I realize some people abstain from eating meat as well and I find this equally as misguided.
As far as I'm concerned, scientific curiosity is one of the things that makes humans great. I don't think it matters whether the research does something "good" (like cures cancer) or does something "bad" (like destroys Hiroshima) in the end science is science and the more we known as a collective, the more we can apply that knowledge for better or for worse.
I value all life, it used to make me very sad (and still kinda does) when I was a child how people would crush a poor spider and laugh at it, or when people would run over a toad while driving just to hear it "pop". But I think that life has its place, and some of that life's place is in research.
Just like the cow is bread to be eaten, some cats are bread to be tested. The natural habitat of the cow is the farm, the purpose of their life is to be born, grow, live, die and then become a juicy sweet burger
I think that if a private researcher would like to conduct an animal test to satisfy either their own curiosity or that of the scientific community at large then indeed they should be allowed to "own an animal and potentially be cruel to it".
Just think about those horrible nasty vivisections that we were performing on those poor "suffering" frogs. If science never developed the vivisection and ways of keeping an organism alive while doing surgery on it, then how do you think we'd know how to do surgery on people? The only reason you're able to get a liver transplant, or a knee repair operation is because of animals that had to "suffer" in order to obtain that knowledge. And EVEN THOUGH there were probably many "cruel" experiments done that never directly led to improvements in our day to day life - I believe that this is completely justified.
Obviously though this is highly dependent on a persons personal philosophy toward life. The problem I think is that too many people are adopting "animal rights" attitudes WITHOUT understand or seeing the big picture of things. That's why I consider it to be "propaganda".
Sure, I guess you could choose to live with your eyes closed, preaching animal rights and at the same time benefiting from the magic of fast food and modern medicine. But as far as I'm concerned these people are hypocritical menaces to society and are in the same category of people who preaching anti-drug sentiments.
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: drr]
#14479740 - 05/19/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drr said:
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airclay said:
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funegi said: it's animal abuse and cruelty. don't do it.
seriously.
Also I've had a vet tell my girlfriend and I to not have the cat around when we toke. They can't break down thc in their systems so they stay high forever and it only gets worse the more you do it. I'm not an expert, its just what the vet said, but we did take her in cause she became really anti-social and erratic.
Sounds like some typical bullshit.
My cat loves getting high. She sits up and squints her eyes and sniffs up the smoke I blow at her. She ran away the first couple times but then she started coming back. She also eats massive amounts of catnip and I don't think there's any problem with it. If she didn't like it I wouldn't force it on her at all.
Psychedelics are another thing altogether, let alone research chemicals. Who knows how cats react to phenethylamine psychedelics. Don't do it, I agree, it is animal cruelty.
We've all seen that cat on LSD video from the 50s or 60s right? Nobody wants to put their pet through that.
Hehe I always smoke around with my friends kitty. Animals seem to know when your tripping / rolling. They act differently. Especially tripping. Sometimes I wish I still had my kitty :P
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Re: felines and 2c-i [Re: Dawks]
#14479749 - 05/19/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for clarifying that. While I don't agree with everything, I thought you were implying something else.
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Edited by Cyclohexylamine (05/19/11 05:07 PM)
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