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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14463162 - 05/16/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I waited one week after full colonization before i birthed them. More perlite might just do it though... i put about what i saw in the videos. Do you ever have to worry about contams or having to change it?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14463225 - 05/16/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this is great for a first time! i can see how you stuck to the tek at first, then started to switch things up. thats a good order of operations.

though, i think with your second FC, you may have strayed a bit from the physics of a shotgun fc; air flows up thru the perlite for humidity. thus, the holes in the bottom.

at first, when i read what RR had to say about his manner, i thought, "WHY the fuck does that work? that sounds stupid, why dont i just pump in humidity?" well, thats not the way its done, thats why. im not saying YOU did that here, but i did; an easy thing for a thinker to do.

anyhu, the point is, that SIMPLER IS BETTER, and MORE SUCCESSFUL. i know you may have heard that already, but so have i and I get to preach it now :biggrin:

oh, and digital hygrometers usually suck at super high RH. i mean, they may say its 99, but thats usually because water droplets are stuck to the sensor :rolleyes:

but never the less, great job, keep it up, and just dont over think it


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: CheeseBurgler]
    #14472497 - 05/18/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the well put reply!
See it can be kinda confusing because different people are saying opposing things on these forums. I read a few replies that said to put a quarter inch of water and no holes in the bottom so the perlite would wick up the water. I haven't found any threads that mention how to place the chamber to allow air flow from the bottom with the holes, and it seems to me from pics and things that in most cases its just set down on something, which would prevent significant air flow. However, well placed, the shotgun physics do make more sense if you're willing to rehydrate the perlite and deal with any water that might drip through the holes.

That's interesting about the digital hygrometer, but i don't believe its the case with this one. Its designed for out door weather and has a rating for 95% RF, and the RF usually varies between 92-98 in the chamber.

Oh, and you gave me an idea with what you said about the airflow through the perlite.. thinking of a kinda homemade portable chamber humidifier, like a 4" by 1' pvc pipe hung vertically, filled with regularly moistened perlite, with a 4" fan mounted and sealed on top, and a wire mesh on the bottom as well as a drip pan below. The diameter of the pipe might need to change to compensate for restricted airflow and not fry the fan, and a drip feed might be a good idea.. just a thought.

As you can probably tell it's hard for a kid like me to settle with simple  :grin: but the way i figure if you can understand the concepts, then you can afford to experiment to make it more compact/efficient/low maintenance. Also I'm testing various methods for a much larger scale chamber I'm working on. It probably would be beneficial for me to stick to the tek my first time around.. but patience isn't one of my virtues  :biggrin:


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14472538 - 05/18/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

VV - some of the best advice in this hobby is KISS...I started w/ this & have moved on to monos like this

Also, the best way to ensure air to move up through your perlite is to raise your SGFC off the shelf. Just put cups under each corner or some spare jars. It only needs to be about 3" off the shelf for good airflow.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14473882 - 05/18/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh, wow... maybe i will just go back to my old chamber. Thanks


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14475079 - 05/18/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can someone please tell me if my shrooms are ok though?? it's been almost a week and a half since birthing and they haven't started pinning yet. Theres a pic of my first 3 earlier in the thread. I waited a week after full colonization soaked them for 24 hours and everything.

Please help! :confused:


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14475133 - 05/18/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

stop messing around with the tried and tested teks!!!!

Stop buyuing crap digital hygrometers that are just not able to cope, or designed to measure high humidity/

Digital hygrometers often read incorrectly in high humidity and sometimes read completly wrong.

Unless those LEDS prudce light in the daylight range (aroiund 6500k) then they are not really right for the job. Up until recently all white LEDS were cool white (7000k) .

Make the tub like the tek tells you too, holes on all sides (yes top and bottome, there just as important as on the sides). Theres really no need for mesh on the bottom. the perlite will holds itself in the tub.

Fans, bad idea in humid places, they often fail plus they will just dry things oiut


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14475346 - 05/18/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Stick to simple things at first brother. All the experimenting may sound logical but its proven that for a newb simple is better. after a few simple grows and you see how things work then experiment.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14475615 - 05/18/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, this seems to be unanimous. I'm switching back now. The LEDs are 7000k, but i read in the lighting section that "5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin" was okay. Can anybody answer why they aren't pinning though? Like i said they do have regular fresh air, 12 hour lighting, and are kept at 78 degrees F.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14475716 - 05/18/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You've been getting some horrible advice in this thread.

Digital hygrometers are shit.  Get rid of it.

You didn't build a shotgun terrarium because it didn't have holes in all six sides, nor was it a clear tub.  Your dark tub with LEDs inside is not as bright as a clear tub in a normal room with no extra lighting.  Get rid of the dark tub.  If you want one that's non-transparent, get a white one so it reflects the light around.

Your LEDs can be inside the tub, no problem.

I've never seen a terrarium with fans that worked properly.  Build a shotgun terrarium per the tek and you'll be fine.
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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14477769 - 05/19/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

okay. i can't have it out in a normal room so ill have to drill some holes in a sheet of clear lexan i have for a new lid so i can hang the florescent light above it in the closet, then all six sides will have holes. Ill prop it up a bit as well so air can flow underneath. I'd rather not go out and buy another tub right now because I'm under suspicion, but I'll get an analog hygrometer the first chance i get from my local cigar shop.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14477843 - 05/19/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude, if you're that worried about your roommate finding out, just wait until you can afford your own place. Then move out, tell no one what you're doing & grow.

But, like RR said, you do need a new tub for the SGFC


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14478175 - 05/19/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude, if you're that worried about your roommate finding out, just wait until you can afford your own place. Then move out, tell no one what you're doing & grow.

But, like RR said, you do need a new tub for the SGFC




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Not only that, but if you're gonna do a grow, cakes are going to give you measly little yields and take a lot of work.

Scrap it till you don't have someone looking over your shoulder.  It's not worth going to prison over.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #14485606 - 05/20/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I worked it all out now, so i don't have to hide it any more, and i switched back to and modified my old one. I'm still having the same problem as i did before though. i built it like the one on  RR's video and i still have humidity in the mid 80's. It has holes drilled in a six sides spaced like in the video, a clear lid, 5+ inches of perlite, a 1.5' fluorescent light hung a foot above it, 60% room RF, and it's raised by a couple jars on a desk. The only way i can get it above 90 for awhile is by pouring water onto it with a towel below (very carefully, as to not get any on the cakes). This was why i switched to the tank one, which had good recirculation and high humidity, and even though my hygrometer was crap it was accurate, since i tested it compared the results to an analog. It's approaching two weeks since birthing, and the cakes don't look very healthy, but there is 3 little white nubs poking up.

However, i am going to stick to the trusted teks for a few years.

I'm going to start a new colony soon, and i was looking at some other teks, like Psilly Simon's Mushroom Growin' Guide II and a few others.
I very much like  monstermitch's technique to construct a monotub but i was wondering if it would work well with cubes, as he said, "I personally don't use either unless growing something other than
cubes. For cubes, I exclusively use bags." i would like to avoid bags right now though.

Any suggestions for a detailed tek with greater yeilds?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14486432 - 05/20/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I worked it all out now, so i don't have to hide it any more, and i switched back to and modified my old one. I'm still having the same problem as i did before though. i built it like the one on  RR's video and i still have humidity in the mid 80's. It has holes drilled in a six sides spaced like in the video, a clear lid, 5+ inches of perlite, a 1.5' fluorescent light hung a foot above it, 60% room RF, and it's raised by a couple jars on a desk. The only way i can get it above 90 for awhile is by pouring water onto it with a towel below (very carefully, as to not get any on the cakes). This was why i switched to the tank one, which had good recirculation and high humidity, and even though my hygrometer was crap it was accurate, since i tested it compared the results to an analog. It's approaching two weeks since birthing, and the cakes don't look very healthy, but there is 3 little white nubs poking up.

However, i am going to stick to the trusted teks for a few years.

I'm going to start a new colony soon, and i was looking at some other teks, like Psilly Simon's Mushroom Growin' Guide II and a few others.
I very much like  monstermitch's technique to construct a monotub but i was wondering if it would work well with cubes, as he said, "I personally don't use either unless growing something other than
cubes. For cubes, I exclusively use bags." i would like to avoid bags right now though.

Any suggestions for a detailed tek with greater yeilds?




Rye berries in quart jars. 
Coir and Verm sub.
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I bet your humidity is fine and your hygrometer is wrong bro.


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #14486701 - 05/20/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay. Thanks man, been searching these forums for awhile now trying to find a good answer to that. :thumbup:


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14487214 - 05/20/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

good call looking into the monstermitch tub  :awesomenod:


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: CheeseBurgler]
    #14493147 - 05/22/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright. One last question- its been two weeks and my cakes seem to be turning slightly grey.. and the couple of pins that popped up have halted growth. Anyone know what that means?


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Re: Fruiting Chamber Design: first time grower [Re: Vincent Valentine]
    #14493249 - 05/22/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i built it like the one on  RR's video and i still have humidity in the mid 80's. It has holes drilled in a six sides spaced like in the video, a clear lid, 5+ inches of perlite, a 1.5' fluorescent light hung a foot above it, 60% room RF, and it's raised by a couple jars on a desk. The only way i can get it above 90 for awhile is by pouring water onto it with a towel below




Calibrate your hygrometer or get rid of it.  There's no way your terrarium humidity is less than 90% in a 60% room.
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