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OfflineBigJohnson
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I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up...
    #1447731 - 04/10/03 08:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Breaking your cakes up into smaller pieces before you case them will PREVENT early pins from forming in weird places.

When you birth a cake and chop it up into very small pieces, even though the myc tissue has been exposed to light pins will not form until the network has healed.

If the cake pieces are too large, shrooms can grow inside the casing, die, and rot.

This would explain why you don't normally see this happen when casing grains, as the kernals are small and the network is disrupted when the grain is poured into the casing. :smile:


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1447737 - 04/10/03 08:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

yes


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: arabmobster]
    #1447752 - 04/10/03 08:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

wow, that definetely helped me out, because i sure didn't know that before, thanks big johnson, ill never have problems with early pinning again!!






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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: jakeholman]
    #1447802 - 04/10/03 09:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

No problem :smile:

My friend had a casing contam after the second flush, and when he threw it into the compost pile he found rotting shrooms growing along the bottom. In that casing, he only broke the pieces up into 1 - 2 inch chunks. Not only did it contam but it pinned 3 days after it was cased; too soon and very uneven.


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1447810 - 04/10/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

that is exactly what my friend's dog had, but the rotting shrooms were only once in awhile. Thanks a lot anyway. and just out of curiousity how do u add in that disclaimer on every post??





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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: jakeholman]
    #1447817 - 04/10/03 09:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

that is exactly what my friend's dog had, but the rotting shrooms were only once in awhile.  Thanks a lot anyway.  and just out of curiousity how do u add in that disclaimer on every post??





The above statement is fictitious and for entertainment purposes only. I do not use or condone the use of illegal substances, nor do I use or condone the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.

P.S.-like this one... 




Its my signature :smile: Go to "My Home" and then "Personal Prefs" and type what you want :smile:

Glad to have you here with us, by the way :smile:


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1447881 - 04/10/03 09:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks!! its great being here with all you pros. it still blows me away all the intricate little details that i have no idea about that get answered here time and time again! anyway, ill talk to you again im sure...


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: jakeholman]
    #1447888 - 04/10/03 09:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah, I'm a pro...

:wink:

I just bought my first PC (pressure cooker)! 


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1448922 - 04/11/03 07:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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If the cake pieces are too large, shrooms can grow inside the casing, die, and rot.



bullshit. the best casings made from pf cakes are those where they were hardly broken, if at all. shrooms won't grow inside a casing, they grow where they have light, breezes, and humidity.

the only time that smaller cakes pieces are better is if you're using them to spawn with.

no offence intended - that's put a cat among the pigeons  :laugh: 


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: shirley knott]
    #1449069 - 04/11/03 09:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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bullshit. the best casings made from pf cakes are those where they were hardly broken, if at all. shrooms won't grow inside a casing, they grow where they have light, breezes, and humidity.

the only time that smaller cakes pieces are better is if you're using them to spawn with.

no offence intended - that's put a cat among the pigeons  :laugh: 




Whoa! Don't get you're panties in a bunch!

First, primordia form when certain conditions are met. A hydrated colony of adequate mass that is exposed to light of a specific frequency for a fraction of a second WILL pin, and those pins WILL mature into fruits, even if on the underside of the colony. 

Second, you just called me a liar. I'd ask for an apology if I cared, but I don't. However, for the newbies who may be reading this, it isn't BS.

Grinding up your cakes into smaller pieces will prevent maturation of primordia as there is not enough mass for the individual pieces to support fruiting.

After several days, the network will repair itself and expand, reaching the surface of the casing. At this point, exposure to light, oxygen, and moisture will cause primordia to form. These primordia will mature because the colony has the mass to support the growth of the fruits.

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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1449090 - 04/11/03 10:10 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

don't think i ever called you a liar - 'cept maybe about the 'big johnson' part, in those pms where you were coming to to me. forgot them, hmmm?. i just questioned your "i just figured out why..." answer, since you didn't know before, and assumed an answer, i just corrected you.

you got it right about repairing itself prior to fruiting, no arguments there. ever wondered why lotsa teks say 'break the cake up.... or even better, leave it whole" or why the pictorial teks recommend big chunks?

maybe they're all wrong, and you know better? but i think not.

:smile:shirl
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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: shirley knott]
    #1449113 - 04/11/03 10:24 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps your both right, bigger chunks means larger flushs, as in whole cakes

But if you are crumbling large chunks and leaving airspaces for mushrooms to devolop and exposing them to light before you case, you can get mushrooms forming beneath the casing leading to contaminants.


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: shirley knott]
    #1449180 - 04/11/03 11:07 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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don't think i ever called you a liar - 'cept maybe about the 'big johnson' part, in those pms where you were coming to to me. forgot them, hmmm?. i just questioned your "i just figured out why..." answer, since you didn't know before, and assumed an answer, i just corrected you.

you got it right about repairing itself prior to fruiting, no arguments there. ever wondered why lotsa teks say 'break the cake up.... or even better, leave it whole" or why the pictorial teks recommend big chunks?

maybe they're all wrong, and you know better? but i think not.

:smile:shirl
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In the USA, when someone says "bull shit" to what another says, they are stating that they believe what has been said to be false. I guess its different in the UK; my bad...

Also, it was YOU who PM'd me. True, I do tend to flirt with women when given the chance, but I don't believe I ever "came to to you," whatever the hell that means.

And, lastly, what makes you think existing teks cannot be improved upon? Why are there so many teks out there in the first place, many of which contradict one another? Hmmm...I'm obviously not as bright as yourself, so forgive me if I stupidly assume that teks aren't written in stone and there are still things to learn and discover about mushroom cultivation. I'll now go back to birthing BRF cakes on perlite, as there is no better way to grow.

Hey...what if we were to try simulating a more natural fruiting environment by enclosing our colonies with a moisture-rich, non-nutritive mixture? NOPE. SORRY. I'm doing it again. The PF tek says to birth on perlite, and anyone who believes otherwise MUST be wrong. There is no better way if its written in a tek...

Lame.


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1449249 - 04/11/03 11:36 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

okay, okay.

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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: shirley knott]
    #1449403 - 04/11/03 12:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

my friend told me you could even put them in a oscarizer or blender just a few turns dont make mud just even and small small pieces Shirl, would you consider this is strictly for spawn?


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: NewSpore]
    #1449419 - 04/11/03 12:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Now, as to the size of my johnson...

:wink:


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: NewSpore]
    #1449423 - 04/11/03 12:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

hey newspore - it gets like this sometimes, don't worry about the heat! - :laugh: bigJ

never heard of an oscarizer, sounds like fun. i don't claim to be an expert, and am only repeating what i've learnt from some that are. bigger pieces, packed tight to avoid airspaces, are the way to go for casings. nice small small pieces help to fill the gaps, and make a nice flat top. :laugh:

maybe some have done very well making casings from tiny bits, but i just don't see the logic in it - takes longer to reform itself.


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: shirley knott]
    #1449441 - 04/11/03 01:04 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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i just don't see the logic in it - takes longer to reform itself. 




If I'm correct, that's one reason its logical. As far as the recovery time goes, you are mistaken. Huge chunks will radiate and bridge the gaps between other chunks at the same rate of growth as smaller chunks will connect. Cell division is determined by temperature, not the size of the cell cluster itself. 

Edit: I'm not trying to be 'Mr. Knowitall' or contradict you, shirl. I'm wrong about shit all the time. However, I don't think I'm wrong about this  :tongue:


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1449448 - 04/11/03 01:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

this is fun. fuck you, bitch  :cool:

no really, i'm not coming to to you when i say this, either (baby). interesting - anyone else wanna chip in their 2 cents?
and yes, i am far more intelligent than you, small donjohnson :smile:

take that! (shirleyknott swipes cattily at bigJohnsson, and waits for the next line :grin:


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Re: I Think I Know Why it is Better to Crumble/Chop/Break Up... [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1449454 - 04/11/03 01:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Ya know what they say about "big johnsons"... those that have 'em don't need to brag about it :smile:

Just a little good natured fun BJ.  I see a lot of logic to your side of the debate.

Uber (who has never felt the need to brag about his "big johnson")


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