|
OrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group



Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,432
Loc: Under the C
|
|
Shifting gears here slightly, I believe the poll number was something like 72% of Americans thought killing Bin Laden was good. I also believe his life was taken against his will. This seemingly goes against your definition of right and wrong.
--------------------
|
Cognitive_Shift
CS actual




Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 29,591
|
|
I'm not 72% of america
-------------------- L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs
|
OrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group



Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,432
Loc: Under the C
|
|
I thought you might like to tackle something a little difficult. Guess I was wrong.
--------------------
|
Cognitive_Shift
CS actual




Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 29,591
|
|
Well you are assuming that my definition of what is right and what is wrong would support the killing of bin laden as right.
Personally I don't think illegally entering a country for the purpose of assassinating a person via government train hit squad is right. Many people including my own government will justify breaking the law by claiming that "justice had been done."
However if i formed a hit squad who entered a country illegally in order to assassinate someone because i felt they were responsible for the death of someone close to me, i would be called a terrorist and would be prosecuted for such crimes.
Just because one has a little flag on ones shoulder and wears clothes which say "United States" may make that person above the law... but it does not change what they did was wrong.
-------------------- L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs
|
4896744
Small Town Girl


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 5,128
Loc: United States
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
|
|
Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: I would assume since you're human if you were raped you would see it as wrong as well.
Nice appeal to emotion.
-------------------- Live your Life!
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 4896744] 1
#14477215 - 05/19/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
iThink said:
Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: I would assume since you're human if you were raped you would see it as wrong as well.
Nice appeal to emotion. 
"Wrong" and "right" are appeals to emotion in the first place. This thread is just silly.
|
Cognitive_Shift
CS actual




Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 29,591
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 4896744]
#14477218 - 05/19/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
How can you address the question with out emotion being involved?
-------------------- L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs
|
4896744
Small Town Girl


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 5,128
Loc: United States
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
|
|
Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: How can you address the question with out emotion being involved?
By looking at it rationally and realizing that all morality is a completely subjective construct?
-------------------- Live your Life!
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 4896744]
#14477233 - 05/19/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
How is rape right?
|
johnm214


Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Fraggin]
#14477239 - 05/19/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: How is rape right?
Who cares? Make your own thread if you want to ask another question- presuming this isn't just an elementary shifting of the burden of proof and straw man argument against a position nobody claimed, that is.
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: johnm214]
#14477257 - 05/19/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Who Cares? Borderline personalism there mr. Moderator.
Logical assertions of right vs. wrong are impossible to prove as the polarity exists in an emotional frame of reference. The question presented can only be validated by proving both sides of the perspective.
|
4896744
Small Town Girl


Registered: 03/06/10
Posts: 5,128
Loc: United States
Last seen: 11 years, 9 months
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Fraggin]
#14477510 - 05/19/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: Who Cares? Borderline personalism there mr. Moderator.
Logical assertions of right vs. wrong are impossible to prove as the polarity exists in an emotional frame of reference. The question presented can only be validated by proving both sides of the perspective.
Questions are only valid if both potential answers are proven to be true?
-------------------- Live your Life!
|
johnm214


Registered: 05/31/07
Posts: 17,582
Loc: Americas
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Fraggin]
#14477578 - 05/19/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
|
MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
|
|
Quote:
Oweyervishice said:
Quote:
iThink said:
Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: I would assume since you're human if you were raped you would see it as wrong as well.
Nice appeal to emotion. 
"Wrong" and "right" are appeals to emotion in the first place. This thread is just silly.
Well, then it's good we have you around with your magnificent remarks.
--------------------
   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
|
|
SlashOZ
:D



Registered: 10/20/06
Posts: 3,557
Loc: Following the water cycle
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 4896744]
#14477637 - 05/19/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
iThink said:
Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: How can you address the question with out emotion being involved?
By looking at it rationally and realizing that all morality is a completely subjective construct? 
I'm glad you are the arbiter of truth when it comes to 'all morality' being 'completely subjective'. Care to elaborate on that or are you just asserting things as truth with no proof or rationality or reasoning behind it?
Next, how is subjective morality mutually exclusive from accurately judging right and wrong?
Finally, if right and wrong are subjective then why are you arguing with people who are posting their subjective views on why rape is wrong. Since, being subjective that would make their view on reality true to them as individuals. We can differ on morality but that doesn't make our judgments about morality wrong if you truly believe them to be subjective. If people think rape is wrong let them think that instead of trying to act as if pointing out their judgment is subjective makes them incorrect.
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose "Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS "When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi "Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson. "Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
|
MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 11 months
|
|
You gotta do something about that cellulite!
--------------------
   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
|
Cellulite is stubborn. Maybe you can rape it out of me. I'll do my best to remain completely sterile, emotionless, and nonjudgmental during this process.
...is it still rape if the 'victim' is indifferent (and losing those unsightly lumps)?
|
1983
Stranger

Registered: 04/14/11
Posts: 130
|
|
Quote:
Oweyervishice said: I'll do my best to remain completely sterile, emotionless, and nonjudgmental during this process.
That is the rational thing to do.
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 1983]
#14477694 - 05/19/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Thats how I encourage my victims to act.
|
|