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Alec Eiffel
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URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains?
#14477074 - 05/19/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I group of friends have found these mushrooms pictured, and plan on having them. I am a little concerned that they may not be what they think they are. The are under the impression that because they have turned blue they are good to eat. I think that there are 2 different types here and only one is ok to eat, can anyone please help me before these idiots eat these and possibly die! Here are the photos I have:


Habitat: The were found im mulch wood type ground, lying under and among tree branches that had fallen.
Gills: gill color seems to be whitish on the smaller ones and more orangish white on the bigger ones. I am not sure if the gills are attached or not but the pics should clearly show.
Stem: Length, diameter, color, texture, solid, thick on younger up to 2cm growing thinner with age around 1cm or just less.
Cap: 3-5cm on mature shrooms, Orange/purple dark in color on bigger sizes, small ones blue/white/dark purple /, texture is smooth after couple hours not gooey wet, young=conical/older=spherical shaped.
Spore print color: Orange/light purple I cannot really distinct between them they are so blended (if that makes sense) spore print was only left for an hour or so with a cup over it.
Bruising: Purple/blue/blakish
Other information: I have included a few photos with the stem cut and what i think are 2 different types of mushroom growing in the same area/patch? that have been misassumed as the same.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477080 - 05/19/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do not eat any of those!
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Stopwhispering]
#14477081 - 05/19/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What exactly do they think they are? They all look like Cortinarius to me.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Stopwhispering]
#14477098 - 05/19/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you need to make a much better spore print to be absolutly sure of the spore colour. though to be honest it sounds like they are not of any active species. im not really experienced enough to say, but imo they look like nothing i know of that even resembles any active mushroom i know off
Under no circumstances eat any of those mushrooms withouht a proper identification.
lleave them printing for at least 12 hours so you can get a clear print.
and DO NOT EAT ANYTHING!
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Alec Eiffel
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477142 - 05/19/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you very much for all your help, I will pass on your very helpful info. and do a 12 hour spore print just as well. They didnt know what type they were they thought blue meanies but the stem is too thick, then they researched somewhere that blue means psychoactive. Either way im sure your advice has been enough to stop anyone taking them. I would still be curious to see what strain they are scene they are so blue/purple. Thanks again
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477159 - 05/19/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is their natural colouring, not bruising. If you have a good look around this site you'll be able to see what blue bruising looks like.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477168 - 05/19/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alec Eiffel said: im sure your advice has been enough to stop anyone taking them.
Thank you!!
You don't know how many people go ahead and eat the mushrooms. 
(Easiest way to find the right kind is to grow them, btw. )
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477180 - 05/19/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since you mention the cap texture started gooey maybe something in Phlegmacium like Cortinarius infractus but there are violaceous/blue Corts in other subgenera. Anyway they are not edible or psychoactive, they are all Cortinarius and potentially deadly.
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Alec Eiffel
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477192 - 05/19/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks again I will make sure they get thrown out. By the way I hope my first post was descriptive enough for everyone.
Peace.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477213 - 05/19/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh. My. God.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14477236 - 05/19/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't feel like there was much left to say, either.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: CureCat]
#14477254 - 05/19/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, to be honest, I was just about to hit "Ok, submit" on what I first wrote, but remembered that as a moderator I am supposed to be a role model and expected to at least pretend like I am a nice person and so I refrained from actually posting it.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: German Kahuna] 1
#14477271 - 05/19/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could you post the text of that as an example of how not to respond?
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Alec Eiffel
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Doc_T]
#14477279 - 05/19/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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As moderators a responsible reply would have done or nothing at all. Or if you felt something was wrong with the text you could just politely bring it to my attention, instead of making people feel inferior for trying to make sure people dont eat poisonous mushrooms/....
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Alec Eiffel
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477292 - 05/19/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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To be honest I would be hesitant to ask another question, for the sake of not being ridiculed, For from what I can see is absolutely no reason at all. Cheers for your help
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477293 - 05/19/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it is not you, it is your haphazard friends. You did the right thing coming here.
By the way, the reason you probably thought there were two species is because the mature mushrooms look very different from the young ones. The older ones fade and lose their bluish colour, and the spores on the gills mature making the gills very orange.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477295 - 05/19/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry man, I'm not laughing at you. Honest. I was talking about people who respond to posts like yours.
You posted a good ID request, got a good ID, and took advice.
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Alec Eiffel
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Doc_T]
#14477353 - 05/19/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea I know that's cool thanks, I replied to you by accident. That was meant for InvisibleGerman KahunaM. I just don't feel a need for a moderator having to put a post up pompously and arrogantly for no reason when we are talking about peoples health, on someones first post/topic. ReaLLy Immature...
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477368 - 05/19/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We see really dumb posts every day. Seriously, every single day. Yours wasn't dumb, but it kind of started out down that path.
GK is a good dude, I promise.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Alec Eiffel]
#14477410 - 05/19/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was indeed referring to your friends - not you - and I had some not so nice descriptions for their mental state and maturity which I then decided to keep to myself. I mean it's almost impossible to NOT find information about Psilocybe mushrooms if you just do ONE google search, which is pretty much the least thing one can expect. But your friends seem to be of the kind that look at the sky, see a plane and then conclude that it must be a bird, because it flies in the air. You did nothing wrong.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Doc_T]
#14477419 - 05/19/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you did the right thing 
dont worry about GK, its tough love. he is good at humbling newcomers which is a great thing when it comes to mushrooms because most people are "positive" theyve got the real deal, like your friends.
please keep hunting. i think you will find that while the hallucinogens got you into it, the vast and amazing world of fungi will soon suck you in
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14477452 - 05/19/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I mean it's almost impossible to NOT find information about Psilocybe mushrooms if you just do ONE google search, But your friends seem to be of the kind that look at the sky, see a plane and then conclude that it must be a bird, because it flies in the air.
Yeah. Seriously have you ever tryed to goodle shrooms? millions of detailed pictures and results.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: I8thesh400m]
#14478659 - 05/19/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was out grabbing some dried horse manure today at my favorite stable and found these babies underneath a nugget,anyone know what they might be? I'm pretty sure the mature fruit is Panaeolus foenisecii(which also grow in the area)are they just immature fruits? I don't really mushroom hunt outside of the well known edibles in my area and I'm not planning on chowing them I was just curious
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: I8thesh400m]
#14478661 - 05/19/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was out grabbing some dried horse manure today at my favorite stable and found these babies underneath a nugget,anyone know what they might be? I'm pretty sure the mature fruit is Panaeolus foenisecii(which also grow in the area)are they just immature fruits? I don't really mushroom hunt outside of the well known edibles in my area and I'm not planning on chowing them I was just curious
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14478796 - 05/19/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not sure if you meant to hijack this thread, but those two small specimens are a different mushroom altogether, and belong to the genus Coprinellus I believe.
Oh, and congrats on a solid first ID request, Alec. Welcome to the Shroomery.
Edited by saintpedro (05/19/11 02:09 PM)
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: saintpedro]
#14478809 - 05/19/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coprinoid and probably Panaeolus cinctulus - take a picture of the gills.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: vjp]
#14478934 - 05/19/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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vjp said: Coprinoid and probably Panaeolus cinctulus - take a picture of the gills.

Gills and spore print yo
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: vjp]
#14478967 - 05/19/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really didn't mean to hijack the thread,to be honest this is my first time ever posting in a forum of any kind so I'm not sure how to even start a thread,my apologies to OP and everyone. Here is a pic of the gills,The other two on the horse manure I'm just going to put outside in a partialy shaded area and see if they mature,I'm really curious to find out what they are.They almost look like tiny shaggy manes which of course I know are white.I'll take a print now as see what I get tomorrow.Thanks everyone
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: The Inner Eye]
#14478970 - 05/19/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Inner Eye said:
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vjp said: Coprinoid and probably Panaeolus cinctulus - take a picture of the gills.

Gills and spore print yo
I'd wager cinctulus due to the red bruising on the stipe.
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14478975 - 05/19/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cinctulus
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Re: URGENT! ID needed asap please. Are these one or 2 strains? [Re: Ieponumos]
#14478991 - 05/19/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said:
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The Inner Eye said:
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vjp said: Coprinoid and probably Panaeolus cinctulus - take a picture of the gills.

Gills and spore print yo
I'd wager cinctulus due to the red bruising on the stipe.
Yup, looks like it.
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