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Thieves!
    #14476699 - 05/19/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is your stance on thieves? Do you sympathize with them, or are they the scum of the Earth to you? It is legal in some states (maybe all? Enlighten me) to shoot and kill someone who trespasses on your property. Some people see that as wrong, as human life is not less valuable than the jewelry he/she is stealing. I think it depends on the circumstances.


To make things clear, I am talking about people who virtually make careers out of breaking into people's homes or cars. Not the guy who nicks your stash, occasionally steals petty things like cds, or steals your food (Nick, if you are reading this, you're an ass!)


Personally, I cant stand thieves. They rank just barely above murderers and rapists, but thats pretty harsh. However, I don't fucking appreciate it when all my hard earned work becomes meaningless when a stranger bolts out the door with my stuff. If I ever caught a thief, I would give him a good kick in the teeth and sit on him until the police arrives. The only time I would ever kill a thief is if he pulled a gun on me, but then the crime goes beyond criminal trespassing.


So what say you?
Thieves!
You may choose only one


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14476705 - 05/19/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's a shitty lifestyle choice to steal for survival but our whole society is built around stealing from people so I see no problem with it in this dog eat dog civilization.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nimrod]
    #14476707 - 05/19/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:sniper:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nimrod]
    #14476708 - 05/19/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fuck em, brah


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Re: Thieves! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #14476724 - 05/19/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone who claims stealing stuff such as cds is just making excuses for their cheap, douchey ass.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: SprewellSleeve]
    #14476728 - 05/19/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Are you not a native english speaker? Because that sentence gave me a little brain damage.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #14476735 - 05/19/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

PROBABLY NOT


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Re: Thieves! [Re: SprewellSleeve] * 4
    #14476742 - 05/19/11 03:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

jesus this place sucks more and more

pris, are you here? filter the shit, IT IS YOUR JOB.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: HELLA_TIGHT] * 2
    #14476765 - 05/19/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I bet you're a warm individual offline.

Who's the pussy who gave him that plus one?


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream] * 4
    #14476768 - 05/19/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We had this thread twice already this week :facepalm:  Use the search engine.

OP you are a thief - unless you don't partake in our economic hierarchy.  The whole system is based on theft.

Banks expand the currency and steal  money.  Our militaries go to war and steal resources.  Our nations are loan sharks to the 3rd world so we can steal their resources.

Some china man got paid a penny a week to make your shoes.

If you are supporting it and benefiting (which we all are) then how can we be hypocrites and complain about theft?


Its just a game for greedy monkies.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14476819 - 05/19/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You shouldn't feel sorry for thieves. They should sorry for themselves after you've beaten the shit out of them.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14476820 - 05/19/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Didnt see any with polls, just people complaining about thieves and people complaining about killing thieves. I want to see numbers.


And i didnt break into a chinese sweatshop and steal shoes. You have a twisted view on theft. There's this thing called 'trade'.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14476878 - 05/19/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Theft is taking something by dishonesty.

I'm pointing out that it makes you a hypocrite to support big thieves and accept the benefits of big thieves while (if?) condeming small ones. 

Thats the truth of the matter.  Its the big picture.

Its like saying my theft is good but yours is bad. 


Quote:

There's this thing called 'trade'.




If we existed in a system of honest fair trade then that would be relevant but the fact is we don't.  We exist in a greed hierarchy where someone has to take a loss for us to gain.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14476886 - 05/19/11 04:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't want your shit stolen, protect it.  Morality is a farce.  :levitate:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14477030 - 05/19/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
If you don't want your shit stolen, protect it.  Morality is a farce.  :levitate:




What am I supposed to do? Stand guard on my house 24/7? Build a moat around it? Booby trap it Home Alone-style?

I like to think that most humans are still decent (in some areas more than others) and would not steal opportunistically. Because they know me, because they follow the golden rule, because they're afraid the neighbors might see them-- I don't really care why.

If I leave the lawnmower out front while I go take a shit, I shouldn't come out to find it gone. That's ludicrous! Where do you draw a line for the paranoia? Should I bring in my mailbox at night too?

I have to admit that I really loved that show "It Takes A Thief." Thieves or not, those guys were geniuses in burglary: breaking & entering, finding the hiding spots, collecting everything quickly, getting away in 10 minutes with everything you own. Seeing the aftermaths of those houses makes you double-think how safe your own house really is. :strokebeard:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14477042 - 05/19/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:tongue2:  I'm no thief, and I do have a system of morals.  My only point is that my morality is subjective, and there is no system of Karma, or Jesus with a shotgun, guarding our earthly possessions for us.

Which is why I voted, "You can't 'own' anything, man"


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Sleepwalker] * 2
    #14477058 - 05/19/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Oweyervishice said:
Which is why I voted, "You can't 'own' anything, man"




:goodnews: I can. But that’s because I’m not a penniless hippie.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14477064 - 05/19/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well then, I hope you have enough to build that moat you wanted! Or else my point stands.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14477355 - 05/19/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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iamnotadream said:
To make things clear, I am talking about people who virtually make careers out of breaking into people's homes or cars.




I just saw a show on TV documenting a guy like this. It was intense. Cuff Me if You Can on Investigation Discovery, episode Shady Ladies' Man. The guy's name is Trevor Woods.

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Re: Thieves! [Re: s240779]
    #14477363 - 05/19/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

completely circumstantial

as a general moral principle, you shouldn't take something unless
a) you have LITERALLY no other options. this excludes basically all poor americans. you always have options other than theft here.
b) you have very convincing reason to believe that whatever you are taking will go unused (to waste) if you do not take it (ie stealing unused internet bandwidth)


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Re: Thieves! [Re: morrowasted]
    #14477455 - 05/19/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I REALLY want to rob a bank. Just for the feeling. (and the cash)

But I don't have the balls to do it :frown:

If my mom wouldn't have to know i'm in jail if I got caught, I would go for it. Don't want to disappoint...


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
    #14477474 - 05/19/11 08:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I REALLY want to rob a bank. Just for the feeling. (and the cash)

But I don't have the balls to do it :frown:

If my mom wouldn't have to know i'm in jail if I got caught, I would go for it. Don't want to disappoint...




I'm assuming you mean rob a cashier at a bank and not the entire bank. :grin:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: s240779]
    #14477910 - 05/19/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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superhigh said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
I REALLY want to rob a bank. Just for the feeling. (and the cash)

But I don't have the balls to do it :frown:

If my mom wouldn't have to know i'm in jail if I got caught, I would go for it. Don't want to disappoint...




I'm assuming you mean rob a cashier at a bank and not the entire bank. :grin:




Nope, actually robbing the entire building, lift it off the foundation and escape with the actual bank.

Of course a cashier...

Perhaps I should start my career with something easier like stealing candy from a kid


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
    #14477924 - 05/19/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14477939 - 05/19/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i always thought it would be a good idea to lure police to a rural area with an automated recorded phone call of someone going on a killing spree with gunshots going off.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14478130 - 05/19/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thieves, no matter who they steal from or what they steal... are among the biggest pieces of shit on the planet.

It should be legal in all situations to kill a thief.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478156 - 05/19/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It should be legal to have whatever atoms you want, whenever you want.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478165 - 05/19/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about babies?  We should kill them?

What about monkies?


What about countries or corporations?

Fuck it lets just nuke the planet.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14478228 - 05/19/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What about babies?  We should kill them?




Can't say as I've ever seen a baby steal. Have you?


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478236 - 05/19/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thieves, no matter who they steal from or what they steal... are among the biggest pieces of shit on the planet.

It should be legal in all situations to kill a thief.




Yes. Because homicide is the natural recourse to thievery. Them thieves can't be rehabilitated, Edith!  :archiebunker:

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luvdemshrooms said:
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nice1 said:
What about babies?  We should kill them?




Can't say as I've ever seen a baby steal. Have you?




Um yes. Babies have no concept of ownership and grab things that don't belong to them all the time.
They'll grab anything they can get their hands on...


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14478279 - 05/19/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The taboo against infanticide is definitely culture-bound. When you were an infant, you had absolutely no guarantee that you would see infanticide as morally wrong. Had you been born in Ancient Greece with one leg, you would almost certainly have been killed post-birth. This was considered to be a merciful act of kindness, not at all a murder. Greeks were very cultured. We owe an overwhelming amount of our culture to theirs. The explanation we see infanticide as such an atrocity is mostly bound up in the 1000 years of authoritative religious oppression we went through, during which people gained this notion that anyone who was born was, at that very moment, bound up in a contract wherein killing him would result in an eternity of fiery torment.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14478282 - 05/19/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If babies have no concept of ownership, they are not stealing.

What a lame attempt. Try again.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478284 - 05/19/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
If babies have no concept of ownership, they are not stealing.

What a lame attempt. Try again.




You beat me to it...


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478300 - 05/19/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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If babies have no concept of ownership, they are not stealing.

What a lame attempt. Try again.




Not being cognizant of the crime you are committing does not make you innocent.

If I don't see a No U-Turn sign and make a U turn, I'll still get a fucking ticket.
But I didn't know a U turn was illegal! I wasn't breaking my version of the law!


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    #14478306 - 05/19/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
If babies have no concept of ownership, they are not stealing.

What a lame attempt. Try again.




Not being cognizant of the crime you are committing does not make you innocent.

If I don't see a No U-Turn sign and make a U turn, I'll still get a fucking ticket.
But I didn't know a U turn was illegal! I wasn't breaking my version of the law!




Fine, we'll kill the babies that steal then...


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14478322 - 05/19/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
If babies have no concept of ownership, they are not stealing.

What a lame attempt. Try again.




Not being cognizant of the crime you are committing does not make you innocent.

If I don't see a No U-Turn sign and make a U turn, I'll still get a fucking ticket.
But I didn't know a U turn was illegal! I wasn't breaking my version of the law!




Show me a law, or even a prosecutor, that would work in the lame-ass example you give.

Thanks for the laugh you have provided.

:rofl2:

Fucking hysterical!


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Re: Thieves! [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14478344 - 05/19/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Oweyervishice said:
Which is why I voted, "You can't 'own' anything, man"




:goodnews: I can. But that’s because I’m not a penniless hippie.



The only thing I own is my body and the power to do whatever I want with it.

And then this bullshit government things tells me that I can't do that :crankey: So they're thieves with respect to my own decisions.

So yes, fuck you greedy government :kingcrankey:

On a side note I jack small amounts of chemicals for the sake of science. Am I a monster?


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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14478365 - 05/19/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?

What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources?  Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?

We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft.  You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: mellowparty]
    #14478367 - 05/19/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently no one here watches The Simpsons.

And @luvdemshrooms: First of all, your logic is infallible, and your rhetoric is ever sharp, sir.

The parents would get in trouble for the child taking the item because of the laws in this society.

If my 1 year old steals something really valuable- let's say he gets his hands on a cell phone from the AT&T store- and he gets caught- it's going to be my fault, and they have every right to file charges against me.

It's still stealing, and the 1 year old was the perpetrator.

I didn't even make this stupid baby argument! I'm out.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14478374 - 05/19/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:fonz: I like your logic, sir


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14478377 - 05/19/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?

What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources?  Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?

We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft.  You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.




Why did you have to make this complicated... lol

This conversation was doing good, killing the thieves even if they were babies.... now were gonna have to kill all this new people you mention...

Bullets are expensive in the long run!


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
    #14478386 - 05/19/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?

What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources?  Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?

We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft.  You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.




Why did you have to make this complicated... lol

This conversation was doing good, killing the thieves even if they were babies.... now were gonna have to kill all this new people you mention...

Bullets are expensive in the long run!



gas is much more efficient.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: mellowparty]
    #14478452 - 05/19/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cheers.

Patlal it is a complex question though.

People who have really studied theft have found that is actually the environment that causes people to steal.  I mean we have structured our society in a way that makes people want to steal.  The psychologists in Zeitgeist 3 absolutely nailed it.  I'm not that great at explaining it but to anyone that doesn't understand why the environment causes theft they should watch Zeitgeist 3.

There are tribes where they don't have our western concepts of ownership and greedy accumulation.  They all borrow from each other and its agreed and they never have anyone stealing.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14478463 - 05/19/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Cheers.

Patlal it is a complex question though.

People who have really studied theft have found that is actually the environment that causes people to steal.  I mean we have structured our society in a way that makes people want to steal.  The psychologists in Zeitgeist 3 absolutely nailed it.  I'm not that great at explaining it but to anyone that doesn't understand why the environment causes theft they should watch Zeitgeist 3.

There are tribes where they don't have a philosophy of ownership.  They all borrow from each other and its agreed and they never have anyone stealing.




The Zeitgeist thing... I never watched that.

What the hell is it and why does everybody talk about it. How long is it, if its a movie, which it most likely is.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
    #14478474 - 05/19/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)




Your gonna want to watch it in sections if you don't have time / attention span.  It should be mandatory viewing for everyone.  :thumbup:


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14478485 - 05/19/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your gonna want to watch it in sections if you don't have time / attention span.  It should be mandatory viewing for everyone.  :thumbup:




Thanks. I'll check it out


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Re: Thieves! [Re: Patlal]
    #14478524 - 05/19/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is the only zeitgeist worth watching



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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14479436 - 05/19/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What about people supporting and benefiting from robbery?

What about deceptive theft like the world bank giving massive loans to 3rd world countries corrupt leaders that they know they cannot pay back and then they take all their resources?  Or militaries that occupy areas our corporations intend to steal resources from?

We all benefit from shit like that so we are all supporting massive theft.  You need to shoot yourself by your own logic.




Bizzare.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14479631 - 05/19/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Loaning isnt stealing.

Taking resources in exchange for currency (which circulates around the nation so people can eat and drive cars) is not theft.

Also, im not talking about corporations and governments here.

So say you buy a car. After 60 months of hard work, you finally pay off your car and its all yours. I break into your home and while in the process of wiring your car, you catch me. You are standing there watching a stranger attempt to steal something that you have worked so hard for, and now its being compromised. Do you let me have it? Or do you intervene? Do you feel sorry for me and let me take the fruits of your labor, or do you pop a cap in my ass?

This isnt about conspiracies or the fucked up shit that governments do.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14479663 - 05/19/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Stealing for survival is fine imo, but if your able bodied and able to work then im gonna shoot your ass, nothing worse than a lazy nigger who think's he's gonna just help himself to the resources I worked hard to collect. And those little petty thief's are the worst, like honestly whats the god damn point, if your gonna steal something then find something worthwhile retards.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14479666 - 05/19/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck them. They need to grow some balls and step up to robbing gas stations and banks. Then let's see how far they'd get.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: iamnotadream]
    #14479760 - 05/19/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well its just basic.

You steal my apple im eating I'm not happy that alone tells me not to take yours.

After that its all hypothetical crazyness... like what if you were feeding a baby with the apple and I was old and had 2 apples? 

I'm not on about conspiracies anyway.  That word has just become some generic term for anything out of the box :shakefist: Its no conspiracy - we have a greed to which we have agreed.

Loaning is a form of theft if you are intending on stealing from them as a result of a bad loan - its just a bit more of clever theft.  The bigger picture is the world runs on theft of every kind.  None of it is right.  Its all wrong.  We need a paradigm shift.  imagine a world that was like a library - people just borrowed things when they needed them.


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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14479968 - 05/19/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well its just basic.

You steal my apple im eating I'm not happy that alone tells me not to take yours.

After that its all hypothetical crazyness... like what if you were feeding a baby with the apple and I was old and had 2 apples? 

I'm not on about conspiracies anyway.  That word has just become some generic term for anything out of the box :shakefist: Its no conspiracy - we have a greed to which we have agreed.

Loaning is a form of theft if you are intending on stealing from them as a result of a bad loan - its just a bit more of clever theft.  The bigger picture is the world runs on theft of every kind.  None of it is right.  Its all wrong.  We need a paradigm shift.  imagine a world that was like a library - people just borrowed things when they needed them.




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Re: Thieves! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14480042 - 05/19/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Thieves! [Re: nice1]
    #14480254 - 05/19/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well as noble as it is to feed a baby with the apple stolen from you, you are going to be hungry later and you wont have that second apple to feed yourself. Suffering was traded for suffering. Now the same thief could have just went to the store and ran out with many, many apples, and nobody would suffer, and he can feed the baby and himself for a good period of time.

Also, as you said, having that apple stolen wouldnt make you happy. So you wouldnt spread this unhappiness by stealing other peoples apples, right? I wouldnt steal for the same reason. I dont want my actions to affect others negatively. However, there are people out there who dont see it that way, and they will take all your food and your valuables along with your car. It doesnt matter to them that you will starve, be out of money, and become unemployed for not showing up for work. Im not going to let them get away with that. People like that are selfish and serve only to undermine a working contributing society.

Im all for giving a man a fish, but he needs to learn how to fish just like the rest of us.


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