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OfflineLearyfan
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Cops shot homeless man 100 times!?
    #1447646 - 04/10/03 08:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

WTF!?

How come nobody ever heard of this story?

Fuck the police.

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Four Miami police officers convicted of corruption
Sentencing date not immediately set
Wednesday, April 9, 2003 Posted: 6:27 PM EDT (2227 GMT)

MIAMI (AP) -- In the biggest Miami police scandal in a generation, a federal jury convicted four officers of corruption Wednesday for planting a gun on an unarmed homeless man or lying about it to protect their colleagues.

The officers, all assigned to elite undercover teams, were charged after four police shootings in the mid-1990s left three people dead and another wounded. One of the victims, an elderly drug suspect, died in a hail of more than 100 bullets.

The police ruled all the shootings justified and state prosecutors declined to bring charges, a point made repeatedly by defense lawyers during the 11-week trial.

Federal prosecutors, however, said the defendants thought they were "untouchable" and they called two retired officers who said a cover story was cooked up one day over lunch a day after one shooting.

A sentencing date was not immediately set.

Outrage over police shootings led to the chief's resignation last November, policy changes, the creation of a civilian review board and millions of dollars paid out to settle lawsuits. But the trial was closely watched to see whether any officers would actually be convicted.

The shootings happened between 1995 and 1997, a time when Miami was under international pressure to crack down on roving gangs of armed robbers preying on tourists.

It was the city's worst police scandal since the 1980s, when rogue cops peddled cocaine they stole from drug traffickers. In that case, more than 100 officers were arrested, fired or disciplined.

This time, prosecutors said the defendants -- all drug, robbery and SWAT officers -- felt they were "above the law."

The men were charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice for allegedly plotting to plant guns on unarmed suspects, misleading investigators and lying under oath to protect each other.

The four officers were convicted of obstruction and conspiracy in the 1997 shooting of a Daniel Hoban, a homeless alcoholic. Hoban was wounded in the leg by defendant Jorge Castello, who thought the man's Walkman was a gun being used in a robbery.

Castello and Officer Jesse Aguero were convicted of conspiracy and obstruction for planting a .45-caliber handgun near Hoban. Officers Art Beguiristain and Oscar Ronda were convicted for their rolls in the cover-up.

All the officers were acquitted of wrongdoing in a shooting involving a 72-year-old drug suspect who was killed in a barrage of 123 bullets as his 14-year-old great-granddaughter crouched feet away on their bathroom floor. The girl was not wounded and later won a $2.5 million settlement from the city.

Five of the officers were also acquitted of covering up the shooting deaths of two robbers gunned down after they made a dramatic leap from a highway overpass while fleeing police. In another incident resulting in acquittals, one of the officers fired three shots at a purse-snatching suspect, missing each time.

'Code of silence' broken
None of the defendants took the witness stand, but two other officers broke the police "code of silence" and testified against them in hopes of leniency on the same conspiracy charge. Among other things, the two men described a lunch meeting at which the officers mapped out a cover story after the killings of the two purse thieves.

The government also produced circumstantial evidence to support the idea of an unspoken pact among the officers to cover for each other.

"That was the remedy. That was the way of doing business in bad shootings," prosecutor Allan Kaiser said as the trial wrapped up.

Defense attorneys dismissed the prosecution theory as ridiculous and unproven.

They said the retired officers, John Mervolion and Bill Hames, were testifying in desperation to get light sentences and keep their pensions. They pointed out that Hames was an alcoholic who quit the force after holding a gun on a bus driver in an off-duty drunken blackout.

And even though prosecutors asked the jury to focus on what happened after the shootings, the defense said all of them were legitimate.

"The justifiable use of force and deadly force laws have been in existence for years," attorney Richard Sharpstein said. "All of these shootings were well within those parameters."

In all cases, prosecutors said weapons were planted near the victims, including two handguns seized in arrests but never booked as evidence in the police property room. The defense said police reports of armed suspects were correct in each case.

The trial began on the same day the city installed a new police chief, former Philadelphia Chief John Timoney, who was hired to turn around the scandal-plagued department.

Timoney replaced Raul Martinez, who led the city's shooting review board for five years before becoming chief in 2000. Martinez quit after a series of stories in The Miami Herald questioned review board rulings that called most police shootings justified.







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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1447656 - 04/10/03 08:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Where does it say he was shot 100 times?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1447659 - 04/10/03 08:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

All the officers were acquitted of wrongdoing in a shooting involving a 72-year-old drug suspect who was killed in a barrage of 123 bullets as his 14-year-old great-granddaughter crouched feet away on their bathroom floor. The girl was not wounded and later won a $2.5 million settlement from the city.

That'll teach those drug using terrorists!


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1447660 - 04/10/03 08:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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One of the victims, an elderly drug suspect, died in a hail of more than 100 bullets.




Ok, so maybe all 100 didn't hit him, if that what you're suggesting.

I guess 89 hits is ok though.



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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1447671 - 04/10/03 08:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Where does it say he was hit 89 times?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1447686 - 04/10/03 08:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You really enjoy nitpicking, don't you?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1447692 - 04/10/03 08:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

thats pretty fucked up. and it sounded like the guy got shot in a house so yeah, most of those bullets prolly hit him in such close quarters.


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1447698 - 04/10/03 08:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You really enjoy nitpicking, don't you? 



Not at all. (well maybe a little) :laugh:

I do however enjoy accuracy and I dislike exaggeration.

Far all you can learn from that article he may have just been hit once.

The fact they shot over 100 times to hit 1 man is a serious enough story without the exaggeration.


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1447699 - 04/10/03 08:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I can't believe you condone this.



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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1447727 - 04/10/03 08:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't believe you condone this.




This....
"The fact they shot over 100 times to hit 1 man is a serious enough story without the exaggeration."....
sounds as if I'm condoning the fact they fired over a hundred shots?

I find the whole story sad. The cops involved sure seem to be scumbags.

I just don't think exaggeration helps to make a point.


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1447770 - 04/10/03 08:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Cops shot homeless man 100 times!?

the title of the thread is a question, not an exageration, you sick animal


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1447963 - 04/10/03 10:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I wanna see cops executed live on TV ! ! !


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1447993 - 04/10/03 10:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

notice the story didn't refer to the man as "unarmed" or "armed".

i don't think we know enough about the situation to really say.


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #1448025 - 04/10/03 10:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't it say something about the cops planting a gun on him?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1448464 - 04/11/03 01:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Where does it say he was shot 100 times?


Right here :"All the officers were acquitted of wrongdoing in a shooting involving a 72-year-old drug suspect who was killed in a barrage of 123 bullets "

Ok, maybe he wasn't shot with all 123 bullets, but damn, 123 bullets, depending upon how many cops were involved, they'd have to reload at least once. WTF?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1448503 - 04/11/03 01:46 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thats fucked up.. My favorite bad cop story is from Dallas Texas..

Dallas narcotics officers often hire paid informants and from time to time they pay these guys up to a hundred thousand dollars for information leading to a good bust...

Well a group of officers started to make up informants and requesting the money to pay them... They would get it, launder it and keep it for themselvs and then frame some innocent person to go down for trafficking.

What they would do is pick some hard working mexican who barely speaks english and sure dont have money for a lawyer.. They would plant "evidence" on him, usualy kilos of "coke" and make a fake bust...

I say "evidence" and "coke" because the officers didnt have access to that much drugs so they would plant Plaster, dressed up like coke. You know, wraped in bags and well hidden. The drugs never had to be tested if the officers said they field tested it and given the option of either being deported to Mexico or stay in America in Prision the mexicans chose to leave the country.

It was a lawyer who had two clients with the exact same thing happen to them who broke the case.. Hard working mexican, found with kilos of coke but is NO dealer. Coke gets tested and is found to be Plaster, arresting officers the same... She researched this and found that they had been doing it for years, collecting fake informant money and setting up fake busts...

Gota love them crooked cops.


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1448543 - 04/11/03 01:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is why we need to remove guns from the hands of all law abiding citizens...

so only the cops will be armed and we'll all be safer. :wink:


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Evolving]
    #1448653 - 04/11/03 03:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

We should remove guns from the hands of cops.  :grin:


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: Evolving]
    #1448662 - 04/11/03 03:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm glad the 14 year old girl who saw her gramps die got 2.5 million.

He was a great gramps. How long did he have left anyways? Not long, probably. It's almost happy. If I was some old, decrepid guy, dieing instantly would be worth it so my granddaughter could be rich.

Someone slipped in a pro-gun message. I think at whatever level the population manages to arm itself, the authorities will just arm themselves that much more, at public expence. I don't think an armed populace is a good defence against tyranny. Face it. When was the last time any civilians won a battle against the authorities? The American revolution?

123 bullets! Excessive force?


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Re: Cops shot homeless man 100 times!? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1448682 - 04/11/03 03:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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When was the last time any civilians won a battle against the authorities? The American revolution?



Didn't they do it in Iran when the Ayotollah came to power?


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