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Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point?
#14473473 - 05/18/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys so I am doing cakes right now I have 10 jars (1/4 pt) going really good right now I was planning to just dunk roll and fruiting them PF Tek style but I want to play around with a little tiny pan of cased cakes (like 3 or 4) And I was wondering if I can add cow poo when I crumble my cakes to case them and is coco coir a good casing layer cus the only verm I have is the fine horticultural grade and I've heard that it isn't the most ideal for casing layers any info would be great I'll be adding pics when things come along more...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14473578 - 05/18/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Casing: The act of placing a thin layer of a non nutritious substrate over a colonized bulk substrate.
Bulk Substrate: A nutritious substrate(Coir/Verm/Poo) that is pasteurized and then inoculated with spawn(Grain or shredded/crumbled BRF cakes) and left to colonize.
If you are planning on using poo it must be pasteurized or it will tend to contaminate. Cubes do not require a casing layer, and will grow fine without one.
You can look up damion5050's coir tek and follow that for a bulk substrate mix to spawn to in a tray. BRF cakes work as spawn, shred them using a cheese grater to allow for more inoculation points after they are fully colonized.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14474389 - 05/18/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you sure I should use a cheese grater???? I would think that would be a little aggressive to the myc so why not a very fine crumble? I know about pasturization that's not an issue. But a cheesegrater?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14474405 - 05/18/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can crumble, or grate. A cheese grater will create finer pieces for more inoculation points into your bulk substrate.
When you crumble or grate your mycelium you are damaging it, it will take 24-36 hours to recover into whatever bulk substrate you choose to spawn to. Both methods work, but myself and others prefer grating because as stated above it creates more points for your spawn to grow into your bulk substrate.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14475875 - 05/18/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I went to home depot today and bought a 'clear' sterilite tub unfortunately I could only get an opaque green top, however I cut a rectangular hole about a third of the lid size directly in the middle of the lid. I covered it with a sheet of plastic lighting cover and silicon glued it into place I covered my tub in 1/4 in holes approx 2'' apart (no exact placement just a tad uneven) on every single surface I could I located a 5500k fluorescent bulb still dont have a hygrometer any other comments or concerns will have pics the second I can get a hold of a damn camera~! 10 days and counting!!!
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14475948 - 05/18/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you shouldn't need a hygrometer....2-3 inches of soaked perlite will provide enough humidity....plus I think most of them aren't suited for the high humidity you need to fruit in anyway.
when I spawn to bulk I let the crumbled cake rest in a sanitized container for 24 hours before I mix with a substrate, so the mycelium has a chance to recover. I dunno if that's necessary but I feel it helps the speed at which it colonizes the substrate, which is always a good thing.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14476196 - 05/18/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have continuously heard 3+ in of perlite 4 being the optimum.Quote:
zydisqwap said: you shouldn't need a hygrometer....2-3 inches of soaked perlite will provide enough humidity....plus I think most of them aren't suited for the high humidity you need to fruit in anyway.
when I spawn to bulk I let the crumbled cake rest in a sanitized container for 24 hours before I mix with a substrate, so the mycelium has a chance to recover. I dunno if that's necessary but I feel it helps the speed at which it colonizes the substrate, which is always a good thing.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14476259 - 05/18/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of this isn't rocket science. I mean, it can seem like it sometimes, but really its not. Basically all you are trying to do is re-create what Mother Earth has already done, but in the best way possible. If its not perfect, which it never will be, its not the end of the world. Its a cool and fun hobby, try new things, you might be suprised. You can pick up information all over this website, if you search for it. Don't get to stuck into the details, and don't freak out if something goes wrong. Just think of it as a learning experience.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14479292 - 05/19/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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seconded, thor. just play around. the first few times you just want those shrooms, as potent and as much as possible, in the quickest way possible.
once you have a few grows down, you realize you're up to your elbows in a constant supply, that this really isn't that hard, and you will never run out ever again.
more perlite is definitely better....I just use 2-3 so I don't need as big a container. I would love to use like 6" but I like the size of my container....fits perfectly on a shelf at around eye level.
post a pic of your fruiting chamber?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14480419 - 05/19/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My jars are looking between 30 and 50% colonized I'll be letting them sit for a few more days after they look solid white I'm noticing rhizo(finger/snowflake) growth is this normal invitro?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14480795 - 05/19/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup, thats a good sign!
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14482770 - 05/20/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's moisture inside too (little tiny beads) Does that mean it's too warm or is that good too? The outside of my jars are cool to cold to the touch but ambient RT is between 77 and 82ish. I don't wana overheat em but I would like fast colonization...........
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14482793 - 05/20/11 04:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FC is ready light and holes n all clear tub yada yada (not dismissing just previous info) At this rat (judging by my posts) approx how long od you think my wait until birthing would be? I have been told to dunk I want to tap out my jars palm to table/work surface dunk in room temp water (wouldn't colder evap faster considering my temps?) for up to 24 hrs then place on foil in my FC on my wet [perlite and call it good fan more than mist before more mist more fan after pins. Am I correct thus far? Can I use the fine verm I have as casing/do I need casing (I've been told I don't) for a small bulk pan in my SGFC?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14483018 - 05/20/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you should let them sit in their jars for about a week after they're 100%...that's what I've always heard and I find I get more flushes that way. then birth, dunk for 12-24 hours, and roll in that fine verm.
or shit, you said you're doing a crumble. so a soak's not necessary. did you decide on a substrate yet or are you just going to use a little more verm? a casing layer is not necessary because the pan is sitting in a shotgun fc.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14484371 - 05/20/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I leeched some good cow manure till it smelled like fine earth I gotta go pick it up so I can strain it and pasturize it (I plan to use the pillow case method to pasturize) and I am getting a little aluminium baking tray to make my bulk tray.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14484378 - 05/20/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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kinda the point of this post ya know....
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14484423 - 05/20/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you mentioned using coir in your first post as part of your "casing layer" in addition to using cow shit to "case", so I was curious which you were going to end up using (coir or shit or both) for your substrate (not casing layer).
good luck pasteurizing.
also, what ratio are you thinking about doing? 4 cakes (2 quarts) to 2 quarts substrate (1:1)? or higher(1:2,3,4 or 5)? the lower the ratio of substrate to spawn the quicker it will colonize and be less likely to contaminate.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14484670 - 05/20/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never said anything about c"casing" with my cow poo only coir. Read what you're going to argue with me about before arguing. K?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14484808 - 05/20/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whaaaaaaacha! lol
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14485199 - 05/20/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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babz89 said: And I was wondering if I can add cow poo when I crumble my cakes to case them and is coco coir a good casing layer
you wanted advice, and were unclear when discussing your procedure. cow poo is not used to case. it is used as a substrate. coir is also not for casing. it is better suited as a substrate.
I asked you a question because you were unclear and I was curious. you responded with sarcasm. then when I tried to correct your terms so you wouldn't be unclear, you respond with more sarcasm.
when you ask for advice using incorrect terms and are a little vague with some details, it's ok if someone asks a few questions or tries to correct you. otherwise, no one would learn anything and we'd all be wicked confused.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14487603 - 05/21/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You'll forgive me if I am asking for advice from people who know what they are doing and would look at this as a mild oversight and give me the answer I am looking for anyway because my wording in general gets the point across. Sorry if I was too vague or didn't explain myself properly according to you, I got the answers I am looking for so obviously I asked my question in such a way that it was interpreted properly, gaining the expected result that I was after. So no need to carry on about it. No need to continue to drag it out. I am a horribly sarcastic person one of my character defects. Ya love me or hate me there's no in between. Nuff said.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14487641 - 05/21/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Should have pics tomorrow I just got this really cool grow light/stand that's for starting plants (germinating/sprouting) and the bulb is a 6400k bar florescent its a pretty cool little contraption considering the light height is adjustable and it seems to be easily manipulate plus it doesn't take up too much space. Anyway jars are looking good I gotta start marking them to make sure they aren't stalling (I may just be getting antsy) I am so ready for them to be done but unfortunately mother nature even in prime conditions does what she wants not what I do... No matter how much I beat myself up about it...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14490555 - 05/21/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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These are my FC's and lighting My jars......   Tell me what cha think?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14490653 - 05/21/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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4 post of the same thing
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: mabachko]
#14490666 - 05/21/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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?No that would be 10 jars
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14490733 - 05/21/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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man that IS a nice light setup....you could put a bubbler or two in there, remove the perlite, and start sprouting some herb.
might as well throw some perlite in there now....then all you'd need to do is a resoak in the fc when you're ready to birth and the fc would be up to check with humidity already.
lc or spores?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
#14490742 - 05/21/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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MS of burmese yangoon and dancing tiger not sure which is which (oops) and that light is from gruders its this place online or via catalogue to get gardening supplies I believe they are still two for one its a starter kit thingy
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14500204 - 05/23/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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BUMP! Any thoughts, comments, questions?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14505023 - 05/24/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I took a look at my jars today and most of them are about 99% colonized (3 are like 75-80%) I'm so excited I could pee myself! Now its 7 days and counting!!! Any one disagree?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14512266 - 05/25/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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BUMP!!! Wondering how soon after colonization (100% to the eye) I can birth dunk and fruit my cakes... I have heard to let them consolidate and all that jazz but I am wondering how early I can birth a cake without the yield suffering...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14512383 - 05/25/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've birthed right after I thought they were 100%. Usually just takes a little longer for pins to show.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14512400 - 05/25/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dude, all four of your posts have the same fucking questions... I'm starting to not like you...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14512420 - 05/25/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol, the dude isnt a dude dude
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14512459 - 05/25/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thor_ak said: lol, the dude isnt a dude dude
Thanks finally someone gets it!
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14512528 - 05/25/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would just birth them. Make sure they have good FAE, humidity and light. Then its just patience.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14512904 - 05/25/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thor_ak said: lol, the dude isnt a dude dude
doesn't matter, ignored...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14512914 - 05/25/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know it doesn't matter, nor shouldn't matter.
I was just pointing that out.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14513831 - 05/26/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thor_ak said: I would just birth them. Make sure they have good FAE, humidity and light. Then its just patience.
BRF cakes are recommended to be left to consolidate for a week after reaching 100% colonization for a reason. You have spent all this time waiting, why go ahead and deviate from a proven method at this point?
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Consolidation is for fruiting substrates. One of the biggest reasons is that the nutrient requirements of colonizing mycelium are higher than that same mycelium in the fruiting stage. When we allow the mycelium to consolidate the substrate, these extra nutrients, such as coffee grinds and/or bran, brown rice flour, grains, etc., are consumed, giving the substrate a lower nutrient load at fruiting time, which results in more fruits and less mutants. RR
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Consolidation is the part of the process where the mycelium has finished 'colonizing' the substrate, but has not had had time to digest enough of the food to be able to fruit readily. This is the reason for leaving brf in the jars for a week past full colonization. If you birth right away at full colonization, they won't fruit for a week anyway, so may as well leave them in the jars during that time so they're not drying out. -RR
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14514287 - 05/26/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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She has to learn, she wants to do it as fast as possible.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14514299 - 05/26/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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She will learn more by doing it properly and waiting the extra week for her cakes to consolidate.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14514627 - 05/26/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the advice the reason I ask this question is because I have read and read and read and I got the same answer BUT I never got a reason why be it stupid superstition or a legitimately necessary step. Yes I would like to do this as fast as possible however I DO NOT want my shroomies to suffer. I am experienced in growing fruits veggies and flowers, There are a few things about them that are solely the Gardner's preference but it still takes sage 21 days to germinate no matter how bad I want that little seed to go. So this is why I am asking. On another note I noticed the issue with me posting the same thing in a few threads. I didn't realize that as I posted in all the posts I created (which seemed like the logical thing to do to me)I wasn't watching the MAIN page in the forum and in doing so people are getting mad. WTFE I get it waah waah I'm over it y'all should be too. If ya don't like it don't read it and I will make my updates different and at least 30 min apart. Truce?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14514684 - 05/26/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Straight up,
that kind of attitude will not get you very far here at the Shroomery. You are mocking the people who are giving you answers and helping you out, around these parts there are certain etiquette's and ways of going about things that are universal to the site. You would better off catching on instead of mocking those who are giving you hand outs.
Sometimes doing your own research, and coming to your own informed decision can be much more satisfying. As well just because someone tells you something in this form, and it comes from a "real" person does not mean they know what they are talking about, or are giving you good advice.
When searching the forums for information it is a good rule of thumb to take the advice of a Trusted Cultivator over someone without the tag. This is one of the many ways to sift through the mis-information and find what you are looking for.
Do not take this post the wrong way, you clearly are coming along and have a good grow going by the look of it, I am just trying to guide you in the right direction with interacting with other members.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14514708 - 05/26/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just said I will be taking the time to do more research and making less posts of over asked questions I JUST SAID that I will be making a point to do more on my own and ask for help less I just said THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE HELPING ME LIKE YOU and to all the other persons just here to flame me on a thread I posted just go away that was the point of my last post what the hell else am I supposed to say?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14514730 - 05/26/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ignore them, learn from your mistakes, and carry on
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14514740 - 05/26/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks I really do appreciate all the help. I am trying to admit and learn form my mistakes (something I don't do often) and just like in school with all the other prepubescent girls JUST ignore the people who wish to bring you down.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14514743 - 05/26/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i couldnt find the internet is serious business emote.
so i posted this.
but rly, just chillax, i think a lot of people who come to this website are just not familiar with online communities/forums and the social interactions about them
like quad posting and shit in two different threads. defo a no-no
people read your shit, we just choose not to post on it >.>
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: t23]
#14515088 - 05/26/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Correct, if you are fruiting from the cake it is wise to consolidate for a week after 100%.
If you are spawning with the cakes, you can spawn shortly after 100%.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14515455 - 05/26/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone! I do poly post which is ok in the only other forum I have ever used this is the first place that gets pissy about it and when I look up the threads I have posted or posted in that's all I see and the way I am used to you have to update all your posts at once. That being my mistake I have gone out of my way to rectify the issue. Hope people can see that and get off my back about it.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14516493 - 05/26/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So my jars are covered in moisture (not really on the bottom) and ?I am wondering if this is a sign of growth or a reminder to birth...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14516522 - 05/26/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had a few PF jars hit 100% this week. They also show moisture between the myc and the glass. Going to let them consolidate for a 7-10 days before birthing.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: grainbrain]
#14516573 - 05/26/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the OP ...casing crumbled cakes....can i add poo....are you going to spawn the cakes or fruit??????
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: penhed]
#14516581 - 05/26/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Both. But why does it matter totally unrelated Q.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14516619 - 05/26/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can spawn cakes without the week consolidation....you can't fruit cakes until consolidated....been there...done that
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: penhed]
#14521134 - 05/27/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I have some manure that is from a bag but I leeched it with sun and water and plan on adding things to boost its properties. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do? I have fine verm, gypsum, soil sweetener(lime), access to organic compost, and other such thingies. Any suggestions?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14521279 - 05/27/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would say, Poo, Verm, and maybe some gypsum. I just did a small BRF spawn to Moose Poo/Verm and its going well.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
#14521300 - 05/27/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any other opinions I would like to gather a pretty good consensus... Maybe I should start a poll, lol?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14522690 - 05/27/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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standard bulk substrate is either poo/verm/gypsum
or coir/verm/gypsum
or poo and coir.
but if you have verm and gypsum you should use both.
and save your lime for your casing layers, and save your casing layers for another species. (you'll get there eventually)
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: k00laid]
#14522767 - 05/27/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okies. My verm is fine though.... Will this be an issue?
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14522922 - 05/27/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what Koolaid said
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: t23]
#14525492 - 05/28/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
t23 said: should be fine just make sure to get coarse next time
it doesnt matter yo..
in fact fine verm holds more water than coarse verm, and we should all know that water is the #1 ingredient in a fruitbody.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: k00laid]
#14526353 - 05/28/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So the way I look at it I'm not exactly going to do bulk I'm going to follow the TEK to do bulk but I am going to fruit it like a GIANT cake. Sounds like a solid idea to me...
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14526367 - 05/28/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
babz89 said: but I am going to fruit it like a GIANT cake. Sounds like a solid idea to me...
me too.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: k00laid]
#14527086 - 05/28/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I went and got a thermometer and some coir today also I found some oven bags so I can pasteurize my bulk... I plan to do a 1:1:1:.10 ratio of cow manure, verm, coir, and gypsum mixed with 3: spawn (grated BRF cakes) I plan to pasteurize my sub (minus the spawn of course) @ 165-175 degrees for approx 70-75 min in my oven bags (do I steam my bag like a jar or what?) I plan to put the sub into my bread pans (any suggestions on how to do this with minimal contams) and after colonization and consolidation fruiting these bread pans as GIANT CAKES lol, comments and advice appreciated.
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
#14533184 - 05/29/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I pussed out and used a 50/50 pasteurized mix of coir and fine verm to a two 5x9 in bread pan scale grated in two fully colonized cakes covered with verm and I plan to fruit them as GIANT cakes when they are done consolidating. Fingers crossed!
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