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Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point?
    #14473473 - 05/18/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys so I am doing cakes right now I have 10 jars (1/4 pt) going really good right now I was planning to just dunk roll and fruiting them PF Tek style but I want to play around with a little tiny pan of cased cakes (like 3 or 4) And I was wondering if I can add cow poo when I crumble my cakes to case them and is coco coir a good casing layer cus the only verm I have is the fine horticultural grade and I've heard that it isn't the most ideal for casing layers any info would be great I'll be adding pics when things come along more...


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14473578 - 05/18/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Casing: The act of placing a thin layer of a non nutritious substrate
over a colonized bulk substrate.

Bulk Substrate: A nutritious substrate(Coir/Verm/Poo) that is pasteurized
and then inoculated with spawn(Grain or shredded/crumbled BRF cakes)
and left to colonize.

If you are planning on using poo it must be pasteurized or it will
tend to contaminate. Cubes do not require a casing layer, and will grow
fine without one.

You can look up damion5050's coir tek and follow that for a bulk substrate
mix to spawn to in a tray. BRF cakes work as spawn, shred them using
a cheese grater to allow for more inoculation points after they are
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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14474389 - 05/18/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Are you sure I should use a cheese grater???? I would think that would be a little aggressive to the myc so why not a very fine crumble? I know about pasturization that's not an issue. But a cheesegrater?


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14474405 - 05/18/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can crumble, or grate. A cheese grater will create finer pieces
for more inoculation points into your bulk substrate.

When you crumble or grate your mycelium you are damaging it, it will
take 24-36 hours to recover into whatever bulk substrate you choose
to spawn to. Both methods work, but myself and others prefer grating
because as stated above it creates more points for your spawn to grow
into your bulk substrate.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14475875 - 05/18/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So I went to home depot today and bought a 'clear' sterilite tub unfortunately I could only get an opaque green top, however I cut a rectangular hole  about a third of the lid size directly in the middle of the lid. I covered it with a sheet of plastic lighting cover and silicon glued it into place I covered my tub in 1/4 in holes approx 2'' apart (no exact placement just a tad uneven) on every single surface I could I located a 5500k fluorescent bulb still dont have a hygrometer any other comments or concerns will have pics the second I can get a hold of a damn camera~! 10 days and counting!!!


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14475948 - 05/18/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you shouldn't need a hygrometer....2-3 inches of soaked perlite will provide enough humidity....plus I think most of them aren't suited for the high humidity you need to fruit in anyway.

when I spawn to bulk I let the crumbled cake rest in a sanitized container for 24 hours before I mix with a substrate, so the mycelium has a chance to recover.  I dunno if that's necessary but I feel it helps the speed at which it colonizes the substrate, which is always a good thing.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14476196 - 05/18/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have continuously heard 3+ in of perlite 4 being the optimum.
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zydisqwap said:
you shouldn't need a hygrometer....2-3 inches of soaked perlite will provide enough humidity....plus I think most of them aren't suited for the high humidity you need to fruit in anyway.

when I spawn to bulk I let the crumbled cake rest in a sanitized container for 24 hours before I mix with a substrate, so the mycelium has a chance to recover.  I dunno if that's necessary but I feel it helps the speed at which it colonizes the substrate, which is always a good thing.




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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14476259 - 05/18/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Most of this isn't rocket science. I mean, it can seem like it sometimes, but really its not. Basically all you are trying to do is re-create what Mother Earth has already done, but in the best way possible. If its not perfect, which it never will be, its not the end of the world. Its a cool and fun hobby, try new things, you might be suprised. You can pick up information all over this website, if you search for it. Don't get to stuck into the details, and don't freak out if something goes wrong. Just think of it as a learning experience.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
    #14479292 - 05/19/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

seconded, thor.  just play around.  the first few times you just want those shrooms, as potent and as much as possible, in the quickest way possible.

once you have a few grows down, you realize you're up to your elbows in a constant supply, that this really isn't that hard, and you will never run out ever again.

more perlite is definitely better....I just use 2-3 so I don't need as big a container.  I would love to use like 6" but I like the size of my container....fits perfectly on a shelf at around eye level.

post a pic of your fruiting chamber?


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14480419 - 05/19/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My jars are looking between 30 and 50% colonized I'll be letting them sit for a few more days after they look solid white I'm noticing rhizo(finger/snowflake) growth is this normal invitro?


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14480795 - 05/19/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yup, thats a good sign!


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: thor_ak]
    #14482770 - 05/20/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There's moisture inside too (little tiny beads) Does that mean it's too warm or is that good too? The outside of my jars are cool to cold to the touch but ambient RT is between 77 and 82ish. I don't wana overheat em but I would like fast colonization...........


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14482793 - 05/20/11 04:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

FC is ready light and holes n all clear tub yada yada (not dismissing just previous info) At this rat (judging by my posts) approx how long od you think my wait until birthing would be? I have been told to dunk I want to tap out my jars  palm to table/work surface dunk in room temp water (wouldn't colder evap faster considering my temps?) for up to 24 hrs then place on foil in my FC on my wet [perlite and call it good fan more than mist before more mist more fan after pins. Am I correct thus far? Can I use the fine verm I have as casing/do I need casing (I've been told I don't) for a small bulk pan in my SGFC?


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14483018 - 05/20/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you should let them sit in their jars for about a week after they're 100%...that's what I've always heard and I find I get more flushes that way.  then birth, dunk for 12-24 hours, and roll in that fine verm.

or shit, you said you're doing a crumble.  so a soak's not necessary.  did you decide on a substrate yet or are you just going to use a little more verm?  a casing layer is not necessary because the pan is sitting in a shotgun fc.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14484371 - 05/20/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I leeched some good cow manure till it smelled like fine earth I gotta go pick it up so I can strain it and pasturize it (I plan to use the pillow case method to pasturize) and I am getting a little aluminium baking tray to make my bulk tray.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14484378 - 05/20/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

kinda the point of this post ya know....


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14484423 - 05/20/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you mentioned using coir in your first post as part of your "casing layer" in addition to using cow shit to "case", so I was curious which you were going to end up using (coir or shit or both) for your substrate (not casing layer).

good luck pasteurizing.

also, what ratio are you thinking about doing? 4 cakes (2 quarts) to 2 quarts substrate (1:1)?  or higher(1:2,3,4 or 5)?  the lower the ratio of substrate to spawn the quicker it will colonize and be less likely to contaminate.


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14484670 - 05/20/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I never said anything about c"casing" with my cow poo only coir. Read what you're going to argue with me about before arguing. K?


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14484808 - 05/20/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Whaaaaaaacha! lol


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Re: Casing crumbled BRF cakes, Can I add cow poo at this point? [Re: babz89]
    #14485199 - 05/20/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And I was wondering if I can add cow poo when I crumble my cakes to case them and is coco coir a good casing layer




you wanted advice, and were unclear when discussing your procedure.  cow poo is not used to case.  it is used as a substrate.  coir is also not for casing.  it is better suited as a substrate.

I asked you a question because you were unclear and I was curious.  you responded with sarcasm.  then when I tried to correct your terms so you wouldn't be unclear, you respond with more sarcasm.

when you ask for advice using incorrect terms and are a little vague with some details, it's ok if someone asks a few questions or tries to correct you.  otherwise, no one would learn anything and we'd all be wicked confused.:confused:


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