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    #14473084 - 05/18/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



could build a house with all the nail RP hits on the head in this video. We do not understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics, people we prop up end up turning against us.

Get the fuck out of the middle east.

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead] * 2
    #14473090 - 05/18/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
We do not understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics.




Disagree.


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Re: QTMFT [Re: Doc_T]
    #14473106 - 05/18/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

? Seems to me like we don't.. we fuck things up everytime we go there.. or anywhere for that matter.

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473119 - 05/18/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First of all who is we?

Secondly the people making moves do understand, I assure you.  They just have different agendas then you or I.

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473123 - 05/18/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"If I am called a puppet because we are grateful to America, then let that be my nickname." -Hamid Karzai, 12th President of Afghanistan, January 2008.

Not that I don't agree that most of our involvement in the Middle East is unnecessary. But you can't make the blanket statement that the US fucks everything up everywhere it goes.


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Re: QTMFT [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14473138 - 05/18/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"If I am called a puppet because we are grateful to America, then let that be my nickname." -Hamid Karzai, 12th President of Afghanistan, January 2008.

Not that I don't agree that most of our involvement in the Middle East is unnecessary. But you can't make the blanket statement that the US fucks everything up everywhere it goes.




the problem is not that we are spreading democracy, it is the way in which we do it.

we treat it like a gift that you give someone for christmas, but you only bought the gift because you really just wanted to use it anyway. and you only give out gifts to certain people, not to everyone. this is how america treats democracy

we can save the little guy, but only when it benefits us (gifting democracy to iraq - for oil purposes). we are exhausting resources fighting unnecessary wars.


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Re: QTMFT [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14473144 - 05/18/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

true true to blanket of a statement. But I mean Khadafi, Osama, Hussein, other people he mentioned in there we all gave lots of aid too, and then when it bites us in the butt we have to spend way more getting them out. Its a fucking mess, if we leave the responsibility falls on them to figure out their issues and we can figure out ours back here..

ome, Germany, Japan, Russia etc all fell because of trying to build empires and expand influence. All of them flourished and could have further flourished under free trade and non-interventionist policies, but there empire building lead to their collapse.

Where to we get off making ourselves in debt to foreign nations at the expense of the tax payer to give aid to dictators and cleaning up other peoples problems?

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473160 - 05/18/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i dont even understand the irrationality of american politics


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Re: QTMFT [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14473177 - 05/18/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I thought the speech was spot on myself.

If we're there to quell the political unrest, good fucking luck. If we're there for oil our efforts are obviously having diminishing returns. I see no excuse for us to be there at all. If the Middle East wants to be fucked up let it be fucked up.


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Re: QTMFT [Re: Charliem]
    #14473201 - 05/18/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i see your Paul and raise you a Chomsky


it should clear some things up:thumbup:

it's only a short clip of his speech, i'm trying to find the whole thing


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Re: QTMFT [Re: Charliem]
    #14473230 - 05/18/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought the speech was spot on myself.

If we're there to quell the political unrest, good fucking luck. If we're there for oil our efforts are obviously having diminishing returns. I see no excuse for us to be there at all. If the Middle East wants to be fucked up let it be fucked up.




Not from the standpoint of the oil companies.

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    #14473244 - 05/18/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so basically we cannot allow true democracy there because if so people who don't like us will control the bulk of the worlds oil?

I dont think that justifies us being there, thats not our land. Those aren't our people, if they want to withhold the oil we can do economic sanctions against them, cut them off from what they need.

There has to be other ways of doing things.. we can't keep this stuff up forever.

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473254 - 05/18/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

QTMFT?

quit tasting my female taint?


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Re: QTMFT [Re: Salomon]
    #14473259 - 05/18/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

quite true mother fucking true

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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473270 - 05/18/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's the part that confused me, why do you use the word true twice:confused:

wouldn't it make more sense just to say QMFT?


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Re: QTMFT [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14473285 - 05/18/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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so basically we cannot allow true democracy there because if so people who don't like us will control the bulk of the worlds oil?

I dont think that justifies us being there, thats not our land. Those aren't our people, if they want to withhold the oil we can do economic sanctions against them, cut them off from what they need.

There has to be other ways of doing things.. we can't keep this stuff up forever.




yeah pretty much

it's pretty obvious that we don't really care about spreading democracy, it's more about ensuring our access to cheap resources at any cost

i mean, can you name one instance where we have helped to set up a truly democratic government?

when people of the world get the right to vote, they usually don't hold american interests as their highest priority, and why should they


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Re: QTMFT [Re: dynomite]
    #14473301 - 05/18/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dynomite said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
so basically we cannot allow true democracy there because if so people who don't like us will control the bulk of the worlds oil?

I dont think that justifies us being there, thats not our land. Those aren't our people, if they want to withhold the oil we can do economic sanctions against them, cut them off from what they need.

There has to be other ways of doing things.. we can't keep this stuff up forever.




yeah pretty much

it's pretty obvious that we don't really care about spreading democracy, it's more about ensuring our access to cheap resources at any cost

i mean, can you name one instance where we have helped to set up a truly democratic government?

when people of the world get the right to vote, they usually don't hold american interests as their highest priority, and why should they





could you guys explain to me what a "true democracy" is?

does america run a "true democracy"?

is truth simply whatever america does?

i know that isn't what you are saying but you can see how political nationalism and rhetoric has led to your belief that there is such a thing as a "true democracy" and even more outlandish that america could be the one to actually have it


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Re: QTMFT [Re: dynomite]
    #14473334 - 05/18/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not saying we have a true democracy either, farthest from it

but what i meant was allowing elections to take place and living with the consequences.

like not opposing the palestinians decision to elect hamas


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Re: QTMFT [Re: dynomite]
    #14473350 - 05/18/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wait wait

we should allow elections to happen and then not oppose the outcome if we are unpleased?

very undemocratic


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Re: QTMFT [Re: dynomite]
    #14473377 - 05/18/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

not when it's another country and our opposition is based solely on the fact they won't conform to what we want

we don't have a vote in elections in other countries, well if you don't count the bombs and stuff

did you watch the video i posted?


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