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    #14467743 - 05/17/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hello friends, quick question. I am pretty sure this means more FAE is required since its fluffy... but any responses or direction will be greatly appreciated.

The strain that my friend is growing is puerto rican, and is in a PMP with a few holes and bubble wands for air circulation, and also a humidifier which runs every 4 hours three times a day. These cakes are BRF and have been in the FC for about 7 days.





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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: puhbrox]
    #14467787 - 05/17/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's totally normal for Puerto Ricans, that's just how they grow.  I didn't read what you wrote at first and just looked at the pic and said "Must be PR's"  and then read what you said and they are.

I've been working with JUST PE and PR for the past year and when I run cakes they always look like that.  Just very agressive mycelium.

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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14467821 - 05/17/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am pretty sure this means more FAE is required



Yep.

PMP setups with bubble wands and the like are out-dated and don't function very well compared to a simple SGFC or a monotub. Bubble wands in general are terrible at providing FAE.

You're basically depriving the mycelium of enough fresh air to allow it to fruit, so it keeps reaching out to colonizing whatever it can. If I were you, I'd build a shotgun terrarium to spec and move the cakes over to that.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Boozie]
    #14467869 - 05/17/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Boozie said:
Yep.

PMP setups with bubble wands and the like are out-dated and don't function very well compared to a simple SGFC or a monotub. Bubble wands in general are terrible at providing FAE.

You're basically depriving the mycelium of enough fresh air to allow it to fruit, so it keeps reaching out to colonizing whatever it can. If I were you, I'd build a shotgun terrarium to spec and move the cakes over to that.




I'm sure you are correct as well, since they are in a PMP, yet even in ideal settings all the PR's I've worked with, look like this.

So I'm sure you need to increase your FAE but if you build a SGFC and your cakes still look that way, I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14468499 - 05/17/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ugh.... i don't know what steered me to build a PMP it cost like $120 after all the shit... I will probably just build a SGFC today or tomorrow... thanks a ton people.:thumbup::mushroom2: just one more thing:

Is there anything I need to worry about with the mycelium colonizing too much/fast, and creating overlay on the cakes?


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: puhbrox]
    #14468534 - 05/17/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is possible for it to starve to death as it continuse to eat nuets.
Just give some FAE so it starts pinning while it has feed.

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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: puhbrox]
    #14468654 - 05/17/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is there anything I need to worry about with the mycelium colonizing too much/fast, and creating overlay on the cakes?



Nah, you'll be fine. Overlay is very, very rare, and a commonly misunderstood issue. It mostly deals with bulk substrates and their casing layers becoming matted with dead/dry mycelium. It's often confused with casings that have become overly-colonized with aggressively growing mycelium, but are still relatively healthy and viable.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Boozie]
    #14472701 - 05/18/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

OK so my friend transferred the cakes to a SGFC- the holes are a little less than 1/4 '' and are on all 6 sides about 1 inch apart or less.... does this sound good?








the FOAF worried about the hummidity in there even though he put 5in of damp perlite in the FC so he has a coolmist running every so often in the closet its in as you can see in the last picture...

I'll be posting results soon enuff!! thanks again guys:bow2::peace::biggrin:


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14472747 - 05/18/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Synthettek said:
That's totally normal for Puerto Ricans



:rolleyes: i'll disagree with this.


but OP your fruiting chamber needs some holes.

pins form when water evaporates from the substrate


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: k00laid]
    #14472991 - 05/18/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I personally have never used holes in my FC's and I have had nothing but excellent results(for new growers however, I can see how creating a SGFC would be a little easier as you can usually set and forget). I just mist and fan maybe once or twice per day. OP, my cakes looked just like that during my first few grows, after that I think the genetics became used to the BRF substrate and started to do a lot better. At least that is the only explanation I can think of heh. Good luck.:sunny:


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Mushaboom]
    #14473036 - 05/18/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I personally have never used holes in my FC's and I have had nothing but excellent results(for new growers however, I can see how creating a SGFC would be a little easier as you can usually set and forget). I just mist and fan maybe once or twice per day. OP, my cakes looked just like that during my first few grows, after that I think the genetics became used to the BRF substrate and started to do a lot better. At least that is the only explanation I can think of heh. Good luck.:sunny:




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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: KrizzKaliko]
    #14473064 - 05/18/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mushaboom said:
I personally have never used holes in my FC's and I have had nothing but excellent results(for new growers however, I can see how creating a SGFC would be a little easier as you can usually set and forget). I just mist and fan maybe once or twice per day. OP, my cakes looked just like that during my first few grows, after that I think the genetics became used to the BRF substrate and started to do a lot better. At least that is the only explanation I can think of heh. Good luck.:sunny:




:picard:




Speaking out in experience. I have over 80 grows behind me each with cakes and Monotubs. Mostly all of my cakes looked just like the OP's cakes during my first few PF grows. I have changed nothing since and the cakes stopped matting up.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: k00laid]
    #14477528 - 05/19/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

alright i believe both of you i dont know how your grows work without FAE Mushaboom but you must fan a lot.
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Synthettek said:
That's totally normal for Puerto Ricans



:rolleyes: i'll disagree with this.


but OP your fruiting chamber needs some holes.

pins form when water evaporates from the substrate




wait are you saying my SGFC needs more holes? mine are smaller than the tek suggests...

Also, if my FOAF has an ultrasonic going in the same closet is that ok? Will i still need to mist even if i see lots of condensation on the walls of the FC?

Still no pins or knots :rolleyes: cant wait for them to pop up so i can go  :wowz:


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: puhbrox]
    #14477537 - 05/19/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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puhbrox said:
mine are smaller than the tek suggests...

the same closet is that ok?




you dont have the proper fruiting chamber.
and you have it in a closet?

fix those two things. then you can post a thread wondering what you did wrong.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Mushaboom]
    #14477569 - 05/19/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Mushaboom said:
I personally have never used holes in my FC's and I have had nothing but excellent results(for new growers however, I can see how creating a SGFC would be a little easier as you can usually set and forget). I just mist and fan maybe once or twice per day. OP, my cakes looked just like that during my first few grows, after that I think the genetics became used to the BRF substrate and started to do a lot better. At least that is the only explanation I can think of heh. Good luck.:sunny:




I remember when I grew my first cakes in a sealed terrarium. They did great because I was opening it up to look at it so much that it got plenty of fae. Then when the novelty wore off and I wasn't opening it every other hour they went south. I bet I wasn't the first noob to do that.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: anonjon]
    #14477987 - 05/19/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I personally have never used holes in my FC's and I have had nothing but excellent results(for new growers however, I can see how creating a SGFC would be a little easier as you can usually set and forget). I just mist and fan maybe once or twice per day. OP, my cakes looked just like that during my first few grows, after that I think the genetics became used to the BRF substrate and started to do a lot better. At least that is the only explanation I can think of heh. Good luck.:sunny:




I remember when I grew my first cakes in a sealed terrarium. They did great because I was opening it up to look at it so much that it got plenty of fae. Then when the novelty wore off and I wasn't opening it every other hour they went south. I bet I wasn't the first noob to do that.




Exactly, a SGFC is great to set and forget. I personally like to have a little control over my tubs, not to mention I like to see what they are doing about two times/day. Therefore, I don't use a SGFC at least right now.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: Mushaboom]
    #14478203 - 05/19/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Somehow u came to the opposite conclusion. If you think opening it up twice a day is enuff, you're silly. You gotta provide fresh air, it's fundamental, like water.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: anonjon]
    #14478260 - 05/19/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Somehow u came to the opposite conclusion. If you think opening it up twice a day is enuff, you're silly. You gotta provide fresh air, it's fundamental, like water.



too much fae and you offset the humidity cause you gotta give it time for the humidity to rise again after you open the lid.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14478304 - 05/19/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I only open and mist/fan twice per day and I've grown over 80 times. It works just fine for me. I've never had a single problem. Having a SGFC is too much of a hassle and a waste of a tub that can be used for other things.


No Holes



Pins a day later.


It works for me. To each his own.


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Re: What is this? What does this mean? PICS [Re: anonjon]
    #14478308 - 05/19/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I remember when I grew my first cakes in a sealed terrarium. They did great because I was opening it up to look at it so much that it got plenty of fae. Then when the novelty wore off and I wasn't opening it every other hour they went south. I bet I wasn't the first noob to do that.



Did the exact same thing. The first mushrooms from my very first cakes actually turned out nearly picture perfect since I was opening the terrarium to peek and fan and mist CONSTANTLY throughout the day. But like you said, once the novelty wore off, things went downhill and I inevitably switched over to grains and bulk. :shrug:

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too much fae and you offset the humidity cause you gotta give it time for the humidity to rise again after you open the lid.



That's the beauty of the SGFC. When built to spec, it should allow a constant flow of fresh air, without sacrificing humidity. Also, periodic drops in humidity can be a good thing. It will help with moisture evaporation and pinning. It happens naturally in an outdoor environment, after all.


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