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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: German Kahuna]
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SummerDaisies said: wtfff why are people makin this shit and being so irresponsible
Their not being irrisponsible, they just made a mistake. People make mistakes, it's calle human error. The irresponsible part of this equation is the person ingesting the drug... No one can take a drug which says on the bag "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" and then hold ANYONE ELSE responsible or blame anyone else for the mistake.
Sorry to say, but that's just plain BULLSHIT! With something potentially as dangerous as BDF, you are not supposed to make a mistake, as the difference between µg and mg can be a difference between life and death. I think when you are in your lab between all these glass tubes and cylinders you KNOW what you are manufacturing. There is no "wait a minute, what was it that I just made? Ermmmm, let's see... 2C-B, 2C-E, Bromo-DragonFLY... aww, WTF, I'll just slap a '2C-I" label on it and sell it through Alibaba". Get real, dude.
I think it was just a mistake, though the "mistake" obviously has unbelievable consequences, for the people who got the mislabeled product, and for all of us who have been lucky enough to enjoy the 2c compounds.
I don't expect Chinese vendors would be "testing" their products. If they made a labeling mistake, its not like some lab technician is going to do the only type of test that would have saved them from making this mistake...eating some. If no one is testing it on themselves, I can totally see a stupid ass mistake like this happening.
Don't think I am excusing them by saying this, or excusing what happened with these deaths.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
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I was just about to purchase some... I might try for something else now.
Thanks for the warning!
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: tellmewhen]
#14472195 - 05/18/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-man-charged-with-murder-in-party-overdoses-20110517,0,895628.story
Man charged with murder in party overdoses VIDEO LINK -> http://www.kfor.com/videobeta/41db90e4-23ab-4817-8268-e93b086ca277/News/Friends-Support-Man-Who-Gave-Out-Drug
KONOWA, Okla. -- Criminal charges were filed Tuesday afternoon in that deadly overdose in the town of Konawa, earlier this month.
Stacy Jewell and Andrew Akerman died after taking a lethal dose of a designer drug that mimics LSD; six others were hospitalized.
Cody Weddle, 20, is being held without bond and now knows he's being charged with murder.
A punishment his supporters say is not fair, but one the victims' families say is very appropriate.
Family and friends of Weddle showed up to the Pontotoc County jail Tuesday wearing "Free Cody" and "Save Cody" shirts.
They were soon disappointed to hear what a judge told Weddle inside.
Weddle was charged with two counts of second-degree murder as well as conspiracy and distribution drug charges in connection with the overdose deaths of Jewell and her boyfriend, Akerman.
Court records show Weddle admitted to buying a synthetic drug, now identified as Bromo-Dragonfly, on-line.
He told authorities he mixed it at Jewell's house and had Akerman sell it at that party.
His supporters say the charges are too harsh because the deaths were unintentional.
"The first thing he told me was 'You know I'm not that kind of person. I didn't do this intentionally,'" recalled his friend Laura Artherholt, who visited Weddle at the jail. "You know, he didn't mean for any of this."
"Yeah, he bought the stuff. He didn't know what he was doing. He's a dumb kid," Weddle's brother in law said, Bobbie Gillespie. "I mean, I love him to death. But he didn't know what he was doing."
"He's not a mean guy," Weddle's friend Donavan Ortega, said. "Never had bad intentions towards anybody else. Never wanted anybody hurt, ever." But Jewell's family and friends were wearing shirts with her picture on the front, too.
Her mother, Lida Beckman, says she knows Weddle didn't mean to hurt anybody, but says he should've taken the drug website warnings more seriously.
"It's just not right to test your friends," Beckman said. "Your friends aren't test dummies. Your friends are friends."
"I understand he didn't mean for this to happen, but regardless it happened," Jewell's friend Michaela Mayoral said, "Stacy and Andrew aren't coming back."
Weddle pleaded "not guilty" to the charges.
District Attorney Chris Ross says he filed second-degree murder charges instead of first-degree murder only because a "synthetic" drug is not classified as a controlled dangerous substance, such as cocaine or methamphetamines.But he'd like the legislature to change that law.
Weddle is back in court June 30, for a preliminary hearing conference.
Authorities say others involved in that party may also be charged.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: dwpineal]
#14472213 - 05/18/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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but the vendor isn't even mentioned in that article.
feels bad man.. :[
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: k00laid]
#14472254 - 05/18/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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google ez test kits or marquis reagent
its cheap and it could save a life i have several
had i been at that party they would be alive (not a boast). so buy one cus what if
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Micawber]
#14472529 - 05/18/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Micawber said: google ez test kits or marquis reagent
its cheap and it could save a life i have several
this is good to know. thank you.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#14472554 - 05/18/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SummerDaisies said: wtfff why are people makin this shit and being so irresponsible
Their not being irrisponsible, they just made a mistake. People make mistakes, it's calle human error. The irresponsible part of this equation is the person ingesting the drug... No one can take a drug which says on the bag "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" and then hold ANYONE ELSE responsible or blame anyone else for the mistake.
This is complete bullshit.
Are you aware of the rc market? If a vendor sells you something active in the .5 mg range and labels it as a substance active in the 10-30 mg range, it is absolutely irresponsible on the vendors part! They are well aware what their psychoactive chemicals are used for, which is why they sell them for 100+ a gram.
Irresponsible because a kid ate what was sold to him as 2c-e from a chemical vendor and ended up dying because the vendor gave him something that is deadly at that dosage
Your crazy dude.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
#14472612 - 05/18/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i would like to think that vendors aren't intentionally trying to murder their client base.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: millzy]
#14472635 - 05/18/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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millzy said: i would like to think that vendors aren't intentionally trying to murder their client base.
i would think so too.
but mistakes like these just shouldn't happen in a proffesional laboratory :[
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: k00laid]
#14472664 - 05/18/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, that's the sad facts about prohibition. it puts regulatory agencies completely out of the picture and puts really dangerous stuff in the hands of minors, who in a lot of cases just don't have the sense to even try to use it responsibly. banning the stuff is just going to force it even more underground and will lead to more deaths. go america!
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: millzy]
#14473371 - 05/18/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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97% of all criminal cases convicted upon in a court of law could have been faught and won but the DA is notorious for scare tactics and they like to get you to cop to a deal for bogus charges before you even have a chance to go to trial.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: dwpineal]
#14473402 - 05/18/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-man-charged-with-murder-in-party-overdoses-20110517,0,895628.story
Man charged with murder in party overdoses VIDEO LINK -> http://www.kfor.com/videobeta/41db90e4-23ab-4817-8268-e93b086ca277/News/Friends-Support-Man-Who-Gave-Out-Drug
KONOWA, Okla. -- Criminal charges were filed Tuesday afternoon in that deadly overdose in the town of Konawa, earlier this month.
Stacy Jewell and Andrew Akerman died after taking a lethal dose of a designer drug that mimics LSD; six others were hospitalized.
Cody Weddle, 20, is being held without bond and now knows he's being charged with murder.
A punishment his supporters say is not fair, but one the victims' families say is very appropriate.
Family and friends of Weddle showed up to the Pontotoc County jail Tuesday wearing "Free Cody" and "Save Cody" shirts.
They were soon disappointed to hear what a judge told Weddle inside.
Weddle was charged with two counts of second-degree murder as well as conspiracy and distribution drug charges in connection with the overdose deaths of Jewell and her boyfriend, Akerman.
Court records show Weddle admitted to buying a synthetic drug, now identified as Bromo-Dragonfly, on-line.
He told authorities he mixed it at Jewell's house and had Akerman sell it at that party.
His supporters say the charges are too harsh because the deaths were unintentional.
"The first thing he told me was 'You know I'm not that kind of person. I didn't do this intentionally,'" recalled his friend Laura Artherholt, who visited Weddle at the jail. "You know, he didn't mean for any of this."
"Yeah, he bought the stuff. He didn't know what he was doing. He's a dumb kid," Weddle's brother in law said, Bobbie Gillespie. "I mean, I love him to death. But he didn't know what he was doing."
"He's not a mean guy," Weddle's friend Donavan Ortega, said. "Never had bad intentions towards anybody else. Never wanted anybody hurt, ever." But Jewell's family and friends were wearing shirts with her picture on the front, too.
Her mother, Lida Beckman, says she knows Weddle didn't mean to hurt anybody, but says he should've taken the drug website warnings more seriously.
"It's just not right to test your friends," Beckman said. "Your friends aren't test dummies. Your friends are friends."
"I understand he didn't mean for this to happen, but regardless it happened," Jewell's friend Michaela Mayoral said, "Stacy and Andrew aren't coming back."
Weddle pleaded "not guilty" to the charges.
District Attorney Chris Ross says he filed second-degree murder charges instead of first-degree murder only because a "synthetic" drug is not classified as a controlled dangerous substance, such as cocaine or methamphetamines.But he'd like the legislature to change that law.
Weddle is back in court June 30, for a preliminary hearing conference.
Authorities say others involved in that party may also be charged.
That's dumb-fuck conservatism 101 right there.
Personally, if anyone should be charged its the vendor who mislabeled Bromo as 2C-I. That is one INCREDIBLE oversight. It would be one thing to mislabel 2C-E as 2C-I, but this is the shit that takes the cake.
Honestly, if you're going to sell shit at a party, you should break down everything into 1-dose baggies that read "not for human consumption" and just never admit what it's being used for. Probably just as safe as being the vendor.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: 5-HT2A]
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: millzy]
#14473456 - 05/18/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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millzy said: i would like to think that vendors aren't intentionally trying to murder their client base.
Does that have anything to do with them accidentally mislabeling a chemical and them therefore being responisible?
No.
No one said they were trying to kill their clients!?!? Someone said they weren't responsible. I said yes they are. Not that they did it intentionally.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: babz89]
#14473462 - 05/18/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, since these chemicals are unregulated and not for human consumption, nobody can be held responsible except for the victims themselves, and apparently the poor guy who supplied it to them, though I don't think he should necessarily be held responsible for the death of those people, unless he forced it into their mouths or spiked the punch with it or something. It should be worth something in his defense that he thought he was giving them a much less dangerous chemical, and it was a mixup on the part of the company. Not that the company could ever be held responsible, for the chemical was clearly 'not for human consumption' in the first place. One could blame a number of different people for something like this, the fault does not rest on one person. Yes, the company producing the chemical should have been more careful, but you must remember, these are hardly even legal operations, they aren't concerned with safety; as a matter of fact they will not even acknowledge that one might ingest one of their chemicals, so safety is the last thing on their mind. They see dollar signs just like any other drug dealer. I'd like to see one of the places where they actually synth these chemicals...Really makes you wonder. Who knows, could be in somebody's dumpy apartment in tokyo. Or more likely a dumpy warehouse or garage or something. I don't picture a nice white lab...
While I agree with all of this I still don't think bromo dragonfly has any place anywhere, period. Its a deadly dangerous substance and it should not be synthesized. Enough people have died, I think all of our curiosity should be satisfied with this chemical, if you have any desire to consume it knowing what has happened to those who did, you are clearly very brave or very stupid (I'm leaning towards stupid when there are so many less deadly options for a psychedelic experience). I don't care if it is 'safe' in the proper dose range. This chemical has only been known to man for a short while and we have no idea whether it causes damage in its 'safe' dosage range. Personally, knowing what it does in large doses, I'd assume that it is dangerous even in smaller doses, I wouldn't even eat half or a quarter hit of bromo dragonfly. If I had it in my possession I'd flush it. I wouldn't let a friend have it for free, let alone sell it to anybody.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: drr]
#14473663 - 05/18/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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drr said: Unfortunately, since these chemicals are unregulated and not for human consumption, nobody can be held responsible except for the victims themselves, and apparently the poor guy who supplied it to them, though I don't think he should necessarily be held responsible for the death of those people, unless he forced it into their mouths or spiked the punch with it or something. It should be worth something in his defense that he thought he was giving them a much less dangerous chemical, and it was a mixup on the part of the company. Not that the company could ever be held responsible, for the chemical was clearly 'not for human consumption' in the first place. One could blame a number of different people for something like this, the fault does not rest on one person. Yes, the company producing the chemical should have been more careful, but you must remember, these are hardly even legal operations, they aren't concerned with safety; as a matter of fact they will not even acknowledge that one might ingest one of their chemicals, so safety is the last thing on their mind. They see dollar signs just like any other drug dealer. I'd like to see one of the places where they actually synth these chemicals...Really makes you wonder. Who knows, could be in somebody's dumpy apartment in tokyo. Or more likely a dumpy warehouse or garage or something. I don't picture a nice white lab...
While I agree with all of this I still don't think bromo dragonfly has any place anywhere, period. Its a deadly dangerous substance and it should not be synthesized. Enough people have died, I think all of our curiosity should be satisfied with this chemical, if you have any desire to consume it knowing what has happened to those who did, you are clearly very brave or very stupid (I'm leaning towards stupid when there are so many less deadly options for a psychedelic experience). I don't care if it is 'safe' in the proper dose range. This chemical has only been known to man for a short while and we have no idea whether it causes damage in its 'safe' dosage range. Personally, knowing what it does in large doses, I'd assume that it is dangerous even in smaller doses, I wouldn't even eat half or a quarter hit of bromo dragonfly. If I had it in my possession I'd flush it. I wouldn't let a friend have it for free, let alone sell it to anybody.
You know, since the late 70's in China, when they went to a free market system, there have been 5 major "developments" in 5 provinces on the eastern side of China. Zhejiang, the province directly south of Shanghai, has focused on chemicals, pharmaceuticals, ect ect. A lot of these research chems come from that part of the world, it is huge. The vendor who sold this is just as stupid as the poor kid who is being charged; but the actual distributers...well, it is shady as fuck. They are professional labs, but there is no stopping drug production like this.
Just a few years ago, China cracked down on ketamine production, for example. They did this in response to rising usage trends in China itself. Since the late 70's, Chinese companies/laboratories have been producing "research chemicals", and other chemicals, and shipping them oversea's. We are moving into the realm of hypothetical opinion now, but I believe that the government allows this type of stuff, in a back door manner, to take place; and no one is going to fuck with them.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LightShedder]
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millzy said: i would like to think that vendors aren't intentionally trying to murder their client base.
Does that have anything to do with them accidentally mislabeling a chemical and them therefore being responisible?
No.
No one said they were trying to kill their clients!?!? Someone said they weren't responsible. I said yes they are. Not that they did it intentionally.
well, here's the thing; if you knew the context of to whom i was responding (big problem on here apparently - people don't like to read. btw this was about a post or two up from your first one on this page), i was responding to someone's comment about the chinese being negligent about testing what they send out, which vendors in turn just send out. i wasn't saying the vendors aren't culpable, just saying that it's most likely unintentional.
so, i agree with you that vendors should be held accountable for this sort of thing. but i'm sure you'll find a way to argue with me anyway b/c that's how it is on this board.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
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i could see manslaughter but murder i don't think the event fits murder because he had no intentions of hurting anyone
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: drr]
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But the point is, this chemical has killed enough people, I don't see any value in it, I'd be happy to know it doesn't exist on the face of the planet and I have no chance of accidentally consuming it.
Are you talking about 2C-E? Because every single report I've seen attributing death to it ended up being something else. I've done 45mg of 2C-E while taking an MAOI--all it did was make me trip fucking balls. In fact, it was rather sedating as the trip wore on. No super-speed effects at all.
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Re: WARNING! Lethal Mislabeled batch of 2C-I and 2C-E Circulating! [Re: starfire_xes]
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But the point is, this chemical has killed enough people, I don't see any value in it, I'd be happy to know it doesn't exist on the face of the planet and I have no chance of accidentally consuming it.
Are you talking about 2C-E? Because every single report I've seen attributing death to it ended up being something else. I've done 45mg of 2C-E while taking an MAOI--all it did was make me trip fucking balls. In fact, it was rather sedating as the trip wore on. No super-speed effects at all.
Surely he was talking about the drug that's been doing the killing, Bromo-DragonFLY, not 2C-E.
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