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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: laruta_21]
    #14449231 - 05/14/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The police are nothing more than rapists, thugs, and thieves. Opressors, murderers and facists....Only good cop is a cop on FIRE!!!


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: thelivingfreekshow] * 1
    #14449469 - 05/14/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This was a horrible tragic situation that never should have happened. I can't even put into words how frustrated and angry I am. And as bad as this was, it could have been even worse. But violence is not the answer. I cannot allow threats, suggestions, or depictions of violence in this forum.

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie]
    #14449520 - 05/14/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Former Marine killed by SWAT was acting in defense, family says
May 13, 2011 - kgun9.com



TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - New details are emerging about Jose Guerena, the man killed last Thursday in a SWAT incident at his Tucson home. He was gunned down by SWAT members while his wife and young child hid in a closet.

Now, the Pima County Sheriff's Department has taken responsibility for the fatal shooting. The SWAT team said it was just executing a narcotics search warrant when Guerena threatened officers with a military rifle. But the Sheriff's Department has changed its story on whether Guerena actually fired at anyone.

On Tuesday, candles and tributes to Guerena could be seen outside his home.  Family members said the 26-year-old former Marine served two tours of duty in Iraq.  A smashed window and a barrage of bullet holes might be the type of scene a battle-hardened Marine would find in a war zone but not the Tucson home he shared with his two children and wife.  Guerena's wife, Vanessa, said her husband died thinking he was protecting his family from an invasion.

"I saw this guy pointing me at the window.  So, I got scared.  And, I got like, ‘Please don't shoot, I have a baby.' I put my baby (down). (And I) put bag in window. And, I yell ‘Jose! Jose! Wake up!'" she explained.

Jose had just come home from working at the mine.  Vanessa said he had fallen asleep two hours before, only to wake up to chaos in his house. It was Pima County SWAT executing a narcotics conspiracy search warrant, but according to her, neither she nor her husband knew it was the authorities until it was too late.

"You're saying only (they) yelled SWAT after the shootout?" asked KGUN9 reporter Joel Waldman.

"Oh, yes! Yes," said Guerena.

Vanessa said Jose grabbed a gun to protect himself from what he thought were home invaders.

The Pima County Sheriff's Office denies that officers failed to identify themselves.  Lt. Michael O'Connor told KGUN9's Joel Waldman that the SWAT team has a standard procedure when serving high-risk search warrants of this nature designed to prevent the suspect from confusing officers with criminal home invaders.   "We will have a lot police vehicles there, with their lights and their sirens on.  In this case... because it was a narcotics high risk type of a search warrant, we had our large armored vehicle there with the markings on it.  It also has lights and sirens, it was going.  So we do everything we can to portray the image that we are law enforcement, we are not home invaders."

O'Connor also said emphatically that this was not a "no knock" raid.  "This case was, we came in very high profile, lights and sirens.  We go to the door, we pound on the door.  We wait approximately 15 seconds.  If no one answers the door, we breach the door with a heavy tool and open the door."

The officer said that when the SWAT team got the door open, they found Guerena crouched in the hall pointing an assault rifle at them.   According to O'Connor, Guerena said, ""I have something for you!"  He said that Guerena "brought this all on himself by presenting himself the way he did."

Guerena's relatives disagree.  "Now, they're saying this now that they admitted for him not shooting back (SIC). They want to throw more dirt on him," said cousin Oscar Garcia.

Garcia is referring to the issue the change story about whether Guerena fired his gun.  Initially investigators reported that he had, but then later, they corrected that statement and said that Guerena had not gotten off a shot.  Deputies confirmed that Guerena's safety was still on when his gun was recovered. Also, officials said that reports that some SWAT officers' shields were riddled with bullets are also untrue.

SWAT gunned Jose down with 71 rounds fired in just about seven seconds; officials said they did not expect Vanessa to be home with their four-year-old son, Joel, who ended up witnessing his dad's death.  Now he has questions about what happened, like so many others.

"The only thing he asked me, 'Mom, my dad a bad guy? They killed my dad! Police killed my dad? Why? What did my dad do?'" explained Ms. Guerena.

Jose's relatives want his children to know he did his best to be a great husband, dad and patriot.

Authorities told KGUN9 that three other neighborhood homes were targeted Thursday, all tied to a narcotics conspiracy. They say a large amount of cash was found at one of the homes.  But, not at the Guerena house; all they said they found there was "evidence pertinent to the case."  At this time, officials aren't saying anything more.  However, Vanessa Guerena has insisted there were no drugs or money in their home.

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie]
    #14449716 - 05/14/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

some of you responding are just as bad as the cops. saying it would be good if he took out some them is wrong. this war will never be won with violence. we do need cops in life to try and stop or catch real criminals, but they should leave non violent drug users alone.


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie] * 1
    #14450018 - 05/14/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So we do everything we can to portray the image that we are law enforcement, we are not home invaders.




Umm...no, you're still home invaders.


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: mexicanjewlucas]
    #14450158 - 05/14/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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some of you responding are just as bad as the cops. saying it would be good if he took out some them is wrong. this war will never be won with violence. we do need cops in life to try and stop or catch real criminals, but they should leave non violent drug users alone.




right, and thats what they "should" be doing, but there not, which is why people were saying the things they were saying.

A cop can quit his job at any moment, he can stand up and say no he won't break into a persons house based on a corrupt governments mission to make money.

The constitution says we have a right to bear arms which is for overthrowing a corrupt government and/or protecting one's self from various things which i would assume would include the dog killing/human killing/??? killing terror squad

now the family said they didn't wish to press charges or i read someone said that, so then they just drop the whole thing?  If so then it can't really get any more obvious that we are dealing with a corrupt government.  If you choose to stand behind a gun, you should be ready to deal with what happens when you kill an Innocent person, and its not taking a few weeks off paid vacation, nor is it saying 10 hail marries.  Were talking 72 shots, bin laden only got 1...


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14450322 - 05/14/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"The only thing he asked me, 'Mom, my dad a bad guy? They killed my dad! Police killed my dad? Why? What did my dad do?'" explained Ms. Guerena.




This is just too much.  I had to try very hard to hold back some tears after reading that line.  I just imagined my own family in this same situation and can't get past that.


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: laruta_21]
    #14450848 - 05/14/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: Humility]
    #14451080 - 05/14/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Humility said:
I'll be the first to say it:




Wonder where all that "support the troops" bullshit is now?

Lying ass hypocrite Americans don't give a fuck about anything but their own assholes.

See what I said Alan and Doc_T?  Better pick your side because the cops will bust down your doors on some bullshit and put 72 of them shits in your body.

And you'll be made to look like the monster.

Keep living that bullshit story you folks call a life.  Thinking you can play both sides and come out on top.

You'll fucking get swallowed.


Can't be much more of a government slave than a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and what good did that get him?  Not so much as a warning before they lit his government-supporting ass up.

Again: 72 times.

That's the kind of love they have for you.  Check that, that's the kind of love they have for an in the trenches, getting shot at (my assumption), Iraq and Afghanistan WAR VETERAN.

They don't give a *FUCK* about you if you aren't blue.



Yeah because we are all hypocrite pussy shit Americans aren't we? We all love our government! Hail Obama! Hail the police department! We're all blind to the corruption that is right in front of our eyes! Quick, rip on us!

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: AUX]
    #14451124 - 05/14/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You must have assumed that I insinuated that all Americans are liars and hypocrites.  That would be an illogical and irrational statement to make.  There are over 300 million Americans.



That sentence sought to identify/single out a type/class of American, or rather individuals who behave in that manner, usually often, usually consistently.


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: Humility]
    #14451210 - 05/14/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what i cant understand, is why americans couldnt care less about their own citizens being murderd by the 'police'. what difference would it have made even if this kid had weed, or any other drug for that matter, he was murderd in cold blood for absolutely nothing.

imagine how many pigs would continue this 'war' if this

happend everytime someone was shot and killed by the PD for doing NOTHING or close enough..(consuming/selling drugs)

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: I R Crankey]
    #14451253 - 05/14/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

America isn't Greece.

If Americans did that I guarantee there would be an immediate and *extremely* violent crackdown.  People would unquestionably die.


At this point I don't think "Americans" stand one iota of a chance in a government crackdown situation.  Some areas would be "Free" for a few weeks but would quickly become occupied by government personnel and vehicles (including tanks, helicopters and Armored Vehicles, the latter two of which even the police possess)


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: Humility]
    #14451380 - 05/14/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you give the american government too much credit, do you honestly think they could impose martial law or something similar to all of its people? when you consider the fact that america is $14trillion in debt already, how hard do you think it would be to suppress 'the people' and their movement?

if of course americans would be willing to riot/fight for their freedoms. and to be honest i doubt they will in our lifetime. at least at the scale where they drastically change something (like drug laws)

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14451865 - 05/14/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The police are nothing more than rapists, thugs, and thieves. Opressors, murderers and facists....Only good cop is a cop on FIRE!!!


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Opressors are abound. :thebird:

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: veggie]
    #14451871 - 05/14/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This was a horrible tragic situation that never should have happened. I can't even put into words how frustrated and angry I am. And as bad as this was, it could have been even worse. But violence is not the answer. I cannot allow threats, suggestions, or depictions of violence in this forum.




You mean you WONT allow...:rolleyes: Based on YOUR opinions, thats a good example on how the few decide what is acceptable for all of us...:mad2: ridiculous and unnecasary!!!

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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14453000 - 05/14/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

SWAT raid fatal drama is revealed in 911 call
May 14, 2011 - Arizona Daily Star



The wife of a Tucson man killed in a Pima County SWAT raid May 5 pleaded for five minutes with 911 dispatchers to send an ambulance for her mortally wounded husband, audio records show.

Often through tears and sometimes in broken English, Vanessa Guerena, tells 911 operators that her husband had been shot by a "bunch of people" who opened the door of their southwest-side home and "just shoot him." Meanwhile, dispatchers worked to determine if she was calling from a house where the SWAT team was serving a search warrant, audio released Friday by Drexel Heights Fire Department reveals. It takes about an hour for waiting medics to know what happened, and the man is dead before fire crews are allowed into the home.

Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine, was sleeping after the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission mine about 9:30 a.m. when his wife woke him saying she heard noises outside and a man was at their window. Guerena told his wife to hide in a closet with their 4-year-old son, his wife has said. He grabbed an AR-15 rifle and moments later was slumped in the kitchen, mortally wounded from a hail of gunfire.

For about five minutes after Guerena was shot, his wife stays on the phone trying to explain what happened and asking for an ambulance.

More than a week later, few details about the investigation that brought the SWAT team to the home Guerena shared with his wife and their two young sons are known. Details of the search warrant have not been made public and deputies would not comment on what was seized from the home.

The Pima County Sheriff's Department has provided no details about the investigation that prompted the raid and little information about the moments leading up to 71 gunshots being fired at Guerena, whose gun had the safety on. He was shot 60 times, doctors told the family. Initially the Sheriff's Department said Guerena fired at officers, but they retracted that this week. Drexel Heights provided audio of the 911 calls after the Star filed a public records request.

Vanessa Guerena, 27, continuously asks the operator to "please, please" send somebody to help her husband in a call in which she seems desperate, frustrated and panicked and says she could hear people talking outside.

About a minute into the 911 call a dispatcher who says she is with the Sheriff's Department comes on and asks if the SWAT team was at her house. Guerena sounds confused, and says her husband isn't talking to her anymore. She then talks over two operators who are trying to figure out if the house in the 7100 block of South Redwater Drive is among those targeted to be searched that morning as part of an investigation.

The operator asks again if there were law enforcement officers at her house and Guerena says yes, that they're outside. She then adds that they had come inside earlier, shot her husband and pointed a "big ol' gun" at her. She grabbed her son and worried she would be shot.

"Please send me an ambulance and you can ask more questions later, please!"

Guerena tells the dispatcher that her husband had returned home about 6:30 a.m. after work and was sleeping.

Prompted by the dispatcher, Guerena says her husband was shot in the stomach and hands.

The dispatcher asks Guerena to put her cheek next to her husband's nose and mouth to see if he's breathing, but she replies in Spanish that her husband is face- down.

The operator tells Guerena to grab a cloth and apply pressure to his wounds, but the wife responds frantically: "I can't! I can't! There's a bunch of people outside of my house. I don't know what the heck is happening!"

A dispatcher asks if the people outside are the SWAT members. "I think it's the SWAT, but they ... Oh my God!" Guerena says.

A dispatcher asks that she open the door for the SWAT, but Guerena replies that the door was already opened by police.

"Is anybody coming? Is anybody coming?" she asks.

The operator tells Guerena help is on the way, but they're still trying to figure out what happened.

"I don't know, that's it, whatever I told you, that's it," Guerena says.

Just after the five-minute mark, Guerena's end of the line goes silent.

The two dispatchers spend about four minutes talking to each other and calling out for Guerena while trying to figure out if the call is coming from the same residence where the warrant was served. At the end of the 10-minute 911 call, a dispatcher says she has confirmation that Guerena is outside with deputies on the scene.

Other audio records Drexel Heights released to the Star Friday indicate the agency dispatched a medical unit at 9:43 a.m. but was told by the Sheriff's Department to hold off.

Dispatchers said there were several addresses where the SWAT team was going that morning and they were not sure if this house was one of them, the audio shows.

The Sheriff's Department dispatcher said she had not received any requests for medical help from deputies on scene. Drexel Heights fire dispatcher asked: "You don't want us going in, right?" The sheriff's operator then said: "I don't know what is going on. You guys go ahead and hold off until we know what it's going to be."

The Sheriff's Department operator said people at the scene wanted the medical help to stay back because they might be dealing with a "barricaded subject."

Three other homes within a quarter mile of the Guerena house were served search warrants that morning as part of the sheriff's investigation. The addresses and the names of people who live in the homes have not been made public. However, the Sheriff's Department has said they found drugs and money.

Guerena was a Tucson native and Flowing Wells High School graduate. He joined the Marines in 2002. He served two tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2005 as part of the Yuma-based MWSS-173.

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    #14458364 - 05/15/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's fucking sick and disgusting. You shot the damn man seventy times, and you claim you have a "barricaded suspect"? You let the motherfucking veteran die. God damnit I hate this country. When I have children, they will not be born or raised within these borders. Fuck this place.


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Re: [AZ] Tucson SWAT Team Kills Armed Homeowner in Drug Raid [Re: destructo_low]
    #14458481 - 05/15/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So SWAT team members just stayed outside while he was bleeding out.
Shouldn't they know first aid? why didn't they help him?

They shot him multiple times and left him to bleed out in front of his wife. That is fuckt.


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    #14470954 - 05/17/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if there was any true "law" upheld in this country, the SWAT team memebers responsible for this disgusting act would be facing death by firing squad. ABSOLUTELY UNPROFESSIONAL AND UNACCEPTABLE. my heart goes out to the Guerena family.

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    #14472107 - 05/18/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you shoot a man 60+ times and lie about him shooting first... after the man is dead and cant even defend himself? in front of his child and wife?? what kind of fucked up country do we live in

you police are all cowards for following your Sheppard, same as sheep. you police have no true heart. hope they are killed in front of their own family as well. I would much enjoy hearing that news story. they need to experience the same pain they are so easy to impose.  :minigun:

wish it was a suicide bomb instead of an ar15

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