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Offlinewithoutawire
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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16595746 - 07/26/12 08:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I forgot to put and republicans, lol. They do both do that. Gay marriage being the first thing that comes to mind.


Exactly, progress is essential. People need to hear his message and that is possible if we vote.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595781 - 07/26/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I forgot to put and republicans, lol. They do both do that. Gay marriage being the first thing that comes to mind.


Exactly, progress is essential. People need to hear his message and that is possible if we vote.




Honestly man, I have no problem with gay marriage and believe it should be legalized, but I don't really see it as being as an important issue as a lot of people make it out to be.  That's probably an unpopular thing to say now but fuck it.  Really all marriage is is a contract anyways, as long as you can live together and do everything with each other I don't see it as being THAT big of a problem, outside hospital visitation, adoption rights, etc.

I am straight but I plan on never getting LEGALLY married, mainly to acknowledge the lack of legitimate value that a legal marriage contract should have.

As for Republicans stealing freedom, I would be more likely to use the War on Drugs, Patriot Act etc. as examples of their hatred for liberty before using gay marriage.  But still you have a point.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16595804 - 07/26/12 08:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Obama resigned the patriot act and continues the war on drugs.


I think gay marriage is more of an issue than you think. People are not treated as equals because of who they have sex with. It's really sad that people actually hate gays enough to want to prevent them from having that right.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595841 - 07/26/12 09:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I know, but Republicans support those too.  That's why I will not be voting for either parties.

Like I said, I have no problem with gay marriage but I don't necessarily think that just because someone is against it, they must hate gays.

I think that their mindset is wrong but I do not think it is always necessarily based on hatred, just a lack of perspective.

I guess the main reason I don't see it as big of a problem as say, the illegality of marijuana, is because it does not criminalize certain behaviors.  All it does is fail to recognize the legitimacy of a contract, whose value is mostly arbitrary anyways.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595862 - 07/26/12 09:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

if gays want marriage they should form their own religion instead of trying to hijack someone elses and asking for them to change their religion to accept them.

Its like hey i believe in the antichrist and i would like to join your jesus cult im not sure why i think i want to turn you all into antichrist believers but im just not sure


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595867 - 07/26/12 09:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Obama resigned the patriot act and continues the war on drugs.


I think gay marriage is more of an issue than you think. People are not treated as equals because of who they have sex with. It's really sad that people actually hate gays enough to want to prevent them from having that right.




it's a disgusting thought I could live without. However, who in the fucking world has the time to spend money to enforce a law that it's illegal?

Nother waste of time topic. An issue that at the moment should be way way way way way on the back burner. Let em get married. When the debt is over then ban the marriage, or whatever. I know enforcing a gay marriage law is about 0.00000000000001 percent of the debt if such laws pass. Still that adds up to a heavy deficit. taxing 7 cents of every American every day adds up to 21 million collected dollars every day, DAILY into the federal reserve. That is if every American spent only $1 daily.

I guess it's not much on a large scale, but if I made $21 million a day I'd be rolling on rims. Shit, if I made $21 million in my life EVER I'd be fanatical. The government to me seems more like a bunch of monkeys then a group of 3 legislative branches making most of the countries important decisions. I can't imagine wanting to add one penny more of debt to this mountain, gay marriage laws would add to state tax, to enforce the law, reducing the federal tax they can collect, which will fuck up the 15 trillion deal. We sure live in a backwards world huh? :laugh2:


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16595876 - 07/26/12 09:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Gary Johnson 2012.  We need to get this man in the debates.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16595898 - 07/26/12 09:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

how?


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul] * 1
    #16595907 - 07/26/12 09:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #16595979 - 07/26/12 09:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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if gays want marriage they should form their own religion instead of trying to hijack someone elses and asking for them to change their religion to accept them.

Its like hey i believe in the antichrist and i would like to join your jesus cult im not sure why i think i want to turn you all into antichrist believers but im just not sure





What? How about those religious assholes move to the middle east and replace the word Jesus with Muhammad.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595988 - 07/26/12 09:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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if gays want marriage they should form their own religion instead of trying to hijack someone elses and asking for them to change their religion to accept them.

Its like hey i believe in the antichrist and i would like to join your jesus cult im not sure why i think i want to turn you all into antichrist believers but im just not sure





What? How about those religious assholes move to the middle east and replace the word Jesus with Muhammad.




But you see, in that statement you have revealed that part of your opinion on this issue is biased, influenced by your personal disdain for religion.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16595995 - 07/26/12 09:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

we don't have to be that mean to the gays, they are people too


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16596000 - 07/26/12 09:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hahahaha like a man named 'Gary Johnson' will catch on to the public and steal obama/romneys race. Its not even worth the effort honestly.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #16596005 - 07/26/12 09:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Hahahaha like a man named 'Gary Johnson' will catch on to the public and steal obama/romneys race. Its not even worth the effort honestly.



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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16596006 - 07/26/12 09:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I have no problem with religion as long as it doesn't infringe on liberties. I am a very spiritual person so I understand why that connection with God is so important, but once you start telling others how to live you cross the line and completely go against the religion you are practicing since most are about love and helping others.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16596028 - 07/26/12 09:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

but its the gays trying to tell the religious how to live, by telling them to change to allow marriage of gays


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #16596034 - 07/26/12 09:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Hahahaha like a man named 'Gary Johnson' will catch on to the public and steal obama/romneys race. Its not even worth the effort honestly.



:crankdre:





its sad but true. Dontcha think? Look what happened to poor ron paul.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #16596048 - 07/26/12 09:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Hahahaha like a man named 'Gary Johnson' will catch on to the public and steal obama/romneys race. Its not even worth the effort honestly.



:crankdre:





its sad but true. Dontcha think? Look what happened to poor ron paul.



All GJ needs is 15% on the polls and gets on the national stage.  He still has a chance brah.:cool:


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: withoutawire]
    #16596069 - 07/26/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I have no problem with religion as long as it doesn't infringe on liberties. I am a very spiritual person so I understand why that connection with God is so important, but once you start telling others how to live you cross the line and completely go against the religion you are practicing since most are about love and helping others.




I know and I agree to an extent.  The thing is though that a lot of people view the increasing support and tolerance for gay marriage, homosexuality, etc as a bandwagon to some degree and because of that many religious people view it as a sign of their personal, religious devotion that they hang onto their views because of that.

I have lived in the South for most of my life and I have kind of understood that this is how a lot of people down here think for the most, at least those that are against gay marriage on religious grounds (not all are.)

I have a strong belief in God as well, and my understanding of morality is not the same as a lot of mainstream evangelical types but I can definitely understand how if someone had a strong enough belief in God, they would let their views trump their allegiance to anything else, such as liberty, country, etc. if they truly believed it was wrong. 

Peoples' religious/spiritual views, if powerful and authentic enough, often entirely define who a person is.

And this mentality doesn't justify the policy or taking away peoples' liberty, but I can understand to an extent that is not based on hatred for homosexuals as much as it is devotion to their God.


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Re: Gary Johnson 2012 [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16596140 - 07/26/12 09:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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but its the gays trying to tell the religious how to live, by telling them to change to allow marriage of gays




They live in America. Everyone deserves the right to liberty and by telling gays they can't marry you just eliminated that right.

The religious people saying you can't have these rights because you love someone of the same sex. How is that telling them how to live? That's telling them that what they believe in unconstitutional. I don't expect or ask people to like gay people or accept them. I am telling that the constitution clearly protects equal rights of everyone.


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I have no problem with religion as long as it doesn't infringe on liberties. I am a very spiritual person so I understand why that connection with God is so important, but once you start telling others how to live you cross the line and completely go against the religion you are practicing since most are about love and helping others.




I know and I agree to an extent.  The thing is though that a lot of people view the increasing support and tolerance for gay marriage, homosexuality, etc as a bandwagon to some degree and because of that many religious people view it as a sign of their personal, religious devotion that they hang onto their views because of that.

I have lived in the South for most of my life and I have kind of understood that this is how a lot of people down here think for the most, at least those that are against gay marriage on religious grounds (not all are.)

I have a strong belief in God as well, and my understanding of morality is not the same as a lot of mainstream evangelical types but I can definitely understand how if someone had a strong enough belief in God, they would let their views trump their allegiance to anything else, such as liberty, country, etc. if they truly believed it was wrong. 

Peoples' religious/spiritual views, if powerful and authentic enough, often entirely define who a person is.

And this mentality doesn't justify the policy or taking away peoples' liberty, but I can understand to an extent that is not based on hatred for homosexuals as much as it is devotion to their God.






It really depends who you are talking about. I see many people who do it out of hate. It doesn't take much searching to find a video of a preacher damning gays to hell.


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