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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Maverick]
    #14467752 - 05/17/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Smells like your brother's telling bullshit to the family.  He probably Was the one to wreck the vehicle... his running friend just probably had the drugs.




This, except did anyone even see a person fleeing the car?

He catches the heat, so he gets to feel kind of punished, but he doesn't have to deal with family bs at the moment.

6 years down the road he can be all, "there was no friend", and everyone can laugh and hug.


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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: PreparationH]
    #14467760 - 05/17/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, I live in a no snitch area too, it's called Earth.  The only difference is most people realize that if the crime has victims, you open your mouth.  Shame on those who wouldn't talk to police over a rape or murder, wtf is wrong with you?




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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Humility]
    #14467774 - 05/17/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am not a "full vegan" on the no snitching thing. I only consider something snitching if it is done to get you out of something u did, or to hurt someone that's not hurting someone else.

If someone is being robbed in front of my building, I have to call the cops. It could be my mom being robbed the next time.

And I have lived in a shitty area my entire life. I know the "g-code" and all. But Why would I want my hood to be on some Wild West shit? I would never snitch on a dealer, or anything stupid like that. Folk need their dope, but u can't even call the police for a murder? Dam bruh. And I know that's how it is in many places in the world, but I don't think I'm built for that life. I know most are born into that life tho, so I'm glad u like it there.

I really doubt u are as welcoming to outsiders as u say though. If anyone that is not recognized walks into that kinda hood, they are gonna get some negative attention.


Oh yeah, and I think ur brother is an liar. There seems to be some missing info. Either drugs or alcohol involved. Or your brother is just a weak bitch. The road head thing is a possibility too.

If dude wasn't willing to help me pay for the damages (and it seems like he won't), I would drop his name off quick.

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Humility]
    #14467791 - 05/17/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I realize that the possibility of someone getting in an accident with my firearms or my vehicles and the complexity and risk that would be involved with that kind of decision.

Guess what I do when someone asks to borrow my vehicles?  [LOL for the record, who in the *fuck* "Loans" someone else a gun?  Like why?  Come the fuck on dude.]

Guess why I do what I do?


Responsibility.




I, personally, agree with that.

the gun the was a pretty out there, unless it's a bunch of hunters with rifles or something, I was just using it to exemplify a point


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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: DrMambo]
    #14467859 - 05/17/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's different to be caught with drugs and snitch on someone to get out of a big, scary charge. Because in that situation, you actually committed a crime and were dumb enough to get caught for it. And you should probably be slaughtered for throwing someone else under the bus.

Here, in this situation, he didn't do anything wrong. BUT HE'S GONNA GET FUCKED FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG BECAUSE HIS "FRIEND" IS A LITTLE BITCH WHO CAN'T MAN UP TO THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS. In my opinion, his friend snitched on him by running. That's like getting pulled over with a mixed stash of drugs and pointing a finger at someone else when half the dope is yours.

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: lovecheese]
    #14467974 - 05/17/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, it's more like getting pulled over in your car driving someone else's dope and then when your buddy runs away (he's driving with you) after an accident you snitch him out because it "isn't fair" that only one of you got busted, and "well they were his drugs anyway!"

How did he get in your car again???





For the record; I'm not opining about the snitching thing.  As a buddhist, I believe that if you feel the need to speak with the police about something, and that you do that, that it's whatever.  I personally will judge that kind of action very carefully in determining whether or not I'd involve myself with you in the future, and there are certainly family members of mine that have called the police and speak with the police and still use illegal substances or what have you.

Do whatever you feel like you need to do, really.  Karma will resolve itself and if you made an appropriate decision, the consequences of the decision will reflect that.  For me, it might not ever be right to call the police, but that might not be the case for some other person.  I'm not you, and I don't live where you live.  I understand and accept that.


I'm just phenomenologically describing a class of behavior that is very misunderstood and has a lot of emotions, politics, social conventions, and history tied in to it.  If you *choose* to define "snitching" as something; that's fine.  You must however heed the etymology of the word and must pay respects to the fact that snitching, as most clearly defined, is one individual informing on another non-consensually, about anything.  One individual confessing to a crime doesn't meet that criteria and by definition isn't snitching.

If we have an agreement in writing for me to divulge what I know regarding you and that happens, it isn't snitching because it's consensual.



Snitching IMO might be wrong, but as a Voluntaryist I don't think it should be a crime.  Rather I think people would (as they do now and always have done) select against people who inform on others.

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Humility]
    #14468062 - 05/17/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I like that alot. And Buddhism is awesome:awesomenod:

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14470898 - 05/17/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so what if you sell someone a gun and that person goes out and kills a bunch of people?

are you responsible as a gun dealer?

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Konyap]
    #14470923 - 05/17/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Buddhism advises against engaging in the weapons trade for this very reason.

As a weapons merchant you do make possible to some extent the acquisition of weapons that facilitate innocent people dying.

In short, you aren't as responsible as the murderer but you do share a part of the responsibility.  Do I think you should be prosecuted against?  Absolutely not.  I believe all objects should be available for free consensual trade on an open marketplace.


Would I feel responsible as a gun dealer?  Absolutely; as such I don't sell guns.

Should you?  That's your business.  I tend to agree with the Buddhist viewpoint on the matter.


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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Humility]
    #14470952 - 05/17/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If I see a rape or murder taking place someone is going to be in a lot of trouble, and immediately.

I'm not going to call the police so the assailant can escape and go hurt other people.

Most importantly the police get things wrong all the time.  What happens when you try to get a rapist locked up and the police go arrest some innocent guy who goes to jail and gets ass-pounded until he hangs himself?  What portion of the responsibility for his death will you assume captain Save-a-hoe?

The police aren't good guys.  They are violent and ignorant gang members and summoning them in order to demonstrate that "you care" is a fault of logic.

Take action yourself.  Resolve the situation yourself or with family and friends.




Also, pwnasaurus your material was IMO over the line of "flaming".  I've said nicer things to folks (Pris: "eat a dick" is an actual emoticon) and received "official warnings".


Truthfully I'm all for flaming, but I don't want either of us to get reprimanded or even worse, Coastered over it.

There should be an opt-in system for flaming and trolling like tagging oneself for PvP in MMORPG games.  I'd sever your head from your body with the blade of my tongue lad!




well of course you'd do something about a rape taking place...if I saw it I'd do something...then I would call the police so they can arrest him.
The only way he goes to jail is if the police get involved and if you're honestly trying to tell me that the cops are totally useless...then :facepalm:


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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Konyap]
    #14471003 - 05/17/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think he was basically saying he'd take matters into his own hands or such.

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so what if you sell someone a gun and that person goes out and kills a bunch of people?

are you responsible as a gun dealer?




how about vehicular homicide?

that's a new paradigm

what if the car had rolled onto a minivan and a kid or two got crushed?


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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: 4runner]
    #14472248 - 05/18/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Crazy reading all the differences in this thread between city, suburb, country life etc...
I can see where you come from though. I have a feeling the cops in a big city are more apt to be corrupt or just don't give a fuck. Seeing it every day everywhere they look. In a smaller town I can guess there would be less apathy.





Being someone who's lived in both small and large cities, I'll tell you that cops in large cities have real work to do, so they hassle you a lot less, though they aren't as present either.  In little towns I've been hassled by cops tenfolds more.

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Re: My brother is an fool [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14472398 - 05/18/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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your brother needs to stop being a hero and give the cops the guys name...




I know. Its totally different from snitching. The guy fucked him over.
That is unacceptable. Snitching on a dealer / cook / another drug user to get a reduced prison sentence is different. You knew the risk going in, you have to face the music.



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your brother needs to stop being a hero and give the cops the guys name...




I know. Its totally different from snitching. The guy fucked him over.
That is unacceptable. Snitching on a dealer / cook / another drug user to get a reduced prison sentence is different. You knew the risk going in, you have to face the music.




Seems your brother isn't the only fool.

Guess it runs in the family :thumbdown:

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