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Re: Demons [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14462083 - 05/16/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.





1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Uhmm, Yeshua if you are referring to Him as Messiah is not the Buddha. It is my understanding that 'Control' is not part of Deliverance either way.  Also you claim Christians lack understanding please if you have much more knowledge than I that is the point of this thread feel free to add as opposed to criticize.

Luke 10- 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

Even the spirits recognize the authority of Paul and Christ as in Acts 19:11-15
I would like to add once again that we are given authority through Christ as seen here in Luke 10 and I have personally seen the power of this authority exercised.

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You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.

It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...




Nowhere have I read that the holy spirit cannot pass over water. In fact Genesis 1:2 states The Spirit of Adonai hovered over the waters of creation.

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There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...

Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...






Yes Mary did in fact have seven 'unclean' spirits in her. But whats your point? Are you just judging the lady in the vids ability??

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Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.





I would rather not get into topics like 'servants of the shadow' or 'ancient priesthood' real or fictional as that is beyond the scope of this thread.


I can only add things that I have personal experience in or have learned directly from my Grandmother and Mother from their experience.


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14462140 - 05/16/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would also like to add that in my experience I have never once gone out looking for Demon possessed people. Typically this stuff comes to you or me rather. Usually in a church service or in a gathering of prayer.

Many times other churches will bring these people to US because either they do not believe in demons (just like baptist do not believe in speaking in tongues) or they are unequipped to handle these people who seem truly in need.

There have even been times that by just the presence of a person filled with the power of the Holy Spirit causes dust to be kicked up so to speak.

So please do not assume that I am some kind of Evangelical who goes around thinking everything has a shadow and everyone has a demon in them because that could not be farther from the truth. I have never in my life gone looking for a person to ask them to come to Christ. In my experience people are willing to listen for their own reasons or come to me asking about such things not because I knocked on their door but because they have needs in their life that are not being met.

Just in my daily walk as a believer and as someone who lives and practices what he preaches have these things come to pass in my life.


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14464429 - 05/16/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The awakened one..The messiah...The Buddha... Has given HIS DISCIPLES, IN THAT TIME the ability to control the spirits..."Christians" do no understand what this means completely...You must be well taught (Indeed by "Jesus" himself) to even understand fully what control of the spirits means, much less actually doing it.





1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Uhmm, Yeshua if you are referring to Him as Messiah is not the Buddha. It is my understanding that 'Control' is not part of Deliverance either way.  Also you claim Christians lack understanding please if you have much more knowledge than I that is the point of this thread feel free to add as opposed to criticize.

The Buddha...The anointed one...It is the same archetype

But yes "Jesus" is much more gnostic in approach than Gautama...

The "Christian" of today is a fool...Thinking he knows Jesus because they see him upon a cross and says to this white man figure suffering that she believes in him, means nothing. I'm not saying if you are a seeker...Seeking what Jesus taught...seeking yourself...Seeking the kingdom and being Guided by the Spirit...

Luke 10- 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

Even the spirits recognize the authority of Paul and Christ as in Acts 19:11-15
so paul the roman says...So much fundamentalism is based upon the writings of paul when he was a roman and not even a disciple...They use the writings of paul because he lacks any of the real gnostic knowledge that was contained in Jesus parables and words, and is a good example of how different sects of Christianity were already being made...
I would like to add once again that we are given authority through Christ as seen here in Luke 10 and I have personally seen the power of this authority exercised.

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You dont have to perform some "Special Ritual" to summon an evil spirit...The rituals you refer to are half correct anyways...Humans perform many energy rituals without even being consciously aware of it.

It is more accurate to refer to a Demon as an "Evil Spirit" Spirit referring to the invisible...What is felt in the mind...Thus the HOLY spirit, and an UNCLEAN spirit that does not cross over WATER and finds Rest in the human mind and its energies...




Nowhere have I read that the holy spirit cannot pass over water. In fact Genesis 1:2 states The Spirit of Adonai hovered over the waters of creation.

If you were a good christian boy you would correlate with the passage

"When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came."

Now tell me Christian born again...Or so you think...Why would an evil spirit not cross over water? any answers?

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There are none on the earth, at least no common man, that understands these things fully...or even partly...The mistake of the "Christian" lady in the video is that she thinks herself to be a disciple of light when she is barely a seeker...

Did not mary magdelene, one of Jesus main disciples have 7 unclean spirits lifted from her? Much less some insane "Christian" of the modern day...






Yes Mary did in fact have seven 'unclean' spirits in her. But whats your point? Are you just judging the lady in the vids ability??

Yes, I am...

If you can't clearly understand the difference between the legitimacy of an actual Disciple of that time hearing Jesus' ACTUAL words and some lady that thinks she understands the bible, maybe she does...But only to a limited degree, she is still no more than a seeker...Seek and it shall be given...Be arrogant and you will fail in seeking...The Buddha understands...

Cleansing of an evil spirit was an actual supernatural event...If you recall the gospel, many of the people watching the events were amazed...In other words...It was actually real, instead of some guy shaking a cross over a foaming demon girl...That is a misinterpretation and clever misdirection from the truth...Spirit is an ancient reference partly to the element of AIR or WIND (The wind blows,so it is everyone in the spirit) Spirit refers to that which is invisible...The mind in some ways...But it represents actually a spiritual reality...The holy spirit, evil spirits, refers to extra dimensional, or rather sub dimensional/beyond 5 senses entities or energies.



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Are there ways of summoning Evil spirits as the video talks about...certain rituals used to "Dirty the air?" These people cannot control the spirits. It is the other way around...If there was a priesthood such as that then they would be servants of the shadow...Which I cannot see possible for a normal human mind. Such a priesthood would be ancient, and most likely fictional.





I would rather not get into topics like 'servants of the shadow' or 'ancient priesthood' real or fictional as that is beyond the scope of this thread.


I can only add things that I have personal experience in or have learned directly from my Grandmother and Mother from their experience.

And what is that?




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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14464438 - 05/16/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I would also like to add that in my experience I have never once gone out looking for Demon possessed people. Typically this stuff comes to you or me rather. Usually in a church service or in a gathering of prayer.

Many times other churches will bring these people to US because either they do not believe in demons (just like baptist do not believe in speaking in tongues) or they are unequipped to handle these people who seem truly in need.

There have even been times that by just the presence of a person filled with the power of the Holy Spirit causes dust to be kicked up so to speak.

So please do not assume that I am some kind of Evangelical who goes around thinking everything has a shadow and everyone has a demon in them because that could not be farther from the truth. I have never in my life gone looking for a person to ask them to come to Christ. In my experience people are willing to listen for their own reasons or come to me asking about such things not because I knocked on their door but because they have needs in their life that are not being met.

Just in my daily walk as a believer and as someone who lives and practices what he preaches have these things come to pass in my life.




How do you know that you yourself do not have an evil spirit?

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Re: Demons [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14465872 - 05/17/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Chill out man-- No need for name calling or any thing like that if you don't agree with what I'm saying that's cool. You don't have to pigeon hole me cuz

The video is very similar to my own experience I would not like to add too much personal info, after I found that vid I thought it was so similar so I would not have to add my own personal details...


oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??

I mean come on your name is TeamAmerica that's one of my favorite movies we have something in common so don't trip and remember Jesus loves you!!


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14466914 - 05/17/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I remember watching a progamme where Alister Crowely had a few full blown converstaions with a demon!!

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    #14467685 - 05/17/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I remember watching a progamme where Alister Crowely had a few full blown converstaions with a demon!!





Sounds interesting! I bet if any ever has he would be someone to tell about it!

Any idea what the program was called?? Everything is online nowadays


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14467967 - 05/17/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??




I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.

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Re: Demons [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14467980 - 05/17/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.





care to elaborate?


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14468058 - 05/17/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How do we know that Forever White Belt isn't the anti-christ? Just sayin...:devil:


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Re: Demons [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14468664 - 05/17/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)





I think you would be surprise how many unclean spirits are have passed over the water in this plane. ALOT. Earth is under a HUGE infection, according to my meditations.





I would also like to hear more


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Re: Demons [Re: Forever White Belt]
    #14468846 - 05/17/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Chill out man-- No need for name calling or any thing like that if you don't agree with what I'm saying that's cool. You don't have to pigeon hole me cuz

The video is very similar to my own experience I would not like to add too much personal info, after I found that vid I thought it was so similar so I would not have to add my own personal details...


oo maybe I am not such a good christian boy but I have no idea why an unclean spirit won't pass over water (even tho I thought u were talking about the Holy spirit) but you can enlighten me if you please??

I mean come on your name is TeamAmerica that's one of my favorite movies we have something in common so don't trip and remember Jesus loves you!!




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Re: Demons [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14470789 - 05/17/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I can elaborate, A LOT of humans are getting eating up by critters(this is for you to meditate and figure out). I dont know much about demons, but I can probably say they are just advanced forms of parasites. Parasites exist from physical form all the way up to the spiritual realms. I wouldnt worry too much about Demons, they are not the only malevolent force out there. Check out this Alex grey photo it explains some:



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Re: Demons [Re: p4kSouL]
    #14470846 - 05/17/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I wouldnt worry too much about Demons, they are not the only malevolent force out there.




Yet again I would like you to elaborate on your ideas.  I guess I would say that demons would be something i wouldn't want to antagonize. What other malevolent forces are you referring to?


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    #14470957 - 05/17/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Republicans.:mel:


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    #14470963 - 05/17/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Consciousness goes way beyond the body does benevolent entities exist only in the higher realms? Probably not. Its simple logic, non of this is complex its just our egos get in the way of this realizations.

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    #14470977 - 05/17/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see tons of "demons" in every day life... Another word for them is assholes - people just not being cool. You don't have to let them get to you. The truth is, you can only drag yourself down.

All of the metaphysical stuff about demons and parasites may be true, but it really isn't that scary - We see all of that vice firsthand here on Earth. Parasites feeding on negative energy need the people, out of their own will, to create the negative energy.

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    #14471016 - 05/17/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Parasites feeding on negative energy need the people, out of their own will, to create the negative energy.



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    #14471022 - 05/17/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I view demons as a singular advanced manipulative conciousness. They have arms ans legs, and can think. But there is other negative entities i would put in a different catagory then of "demons". Like adrenal gland specialist, and or singular negatory consciousness that specializes in feasting on peoples life force. Nothing to be afraid of, the more aware of about them, its like pickaboo, no where to hide anymore haha.

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    #14471047 - 05/18/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The best description I've come across is that of Eckhart Tolle's "Pain Body."

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This accumulated pain is a negative energy field that occupies your body and mind. If you look on it as an invisible entity in its own right, you are getting quite close to the truth. It's the emotional pain body. It has two modes of being: dormant and active.

.The pain body wants to survive, just like every other entity in existence, and it can only survive if it gets you to unconsciously identify with it. It can then rise up, take you over, "become you," and live through you. It needs to get its "food" through you. It will feed on any experience that resonates with its own kind of energy, anything that creates further pain in whatever form: anger, destructiveness, hatred, grief, emotional drama, violence, and even illness.

So the pain body, when it has taken you over, will create a situation in your life that reflects back its own energy frequency for it to feed on. Pain can only feed on pain. Pain cannot feed on joy. It finds it quite indigestible.

Once the pain body has taken you over, you want more pain. You become a victim or a perpetrator. You want to inflict pain, or you want to suffer pain, or both. There isn't really much difference between the two. You are not conscious of this, of course, and will vehemently claim that you do not want pain. But look closely and you will that your thinking and behavior are designed to keep the pain going, for yourself and others.

If you were truly conscious of it, the pattern would dissolve, for to want more pain is insanity, and nobody is consciously insane.
The pain body, which is the dark shadow cast by the ego, is actually afraid of the light of your consciousness. It is afraid of being found out. Its survival depends on your unconscious identification with it, as well as on your unconscious fear of facing the the pain that lives in you. But if you don't face it, if you don't bring the light of your consciousness into the pain, you will be forced to relive it again and again. The pain body may seem to you like a dangerous monster that you cannot bear to look at, but I assure you that it is an insubstantial phantom that cannot prevail against the power of your presence..

So the pain body doesn't want you to observe it directly and see it for what it is. The moment you observe, feel its energy field within you, and take your attention into it, the identification is broken. A higher dimension of consciousness has come in. I call it presence.

You are now the witness or the watcher of the pain body. This means that it cannot use you anymore by pretending to be you, and it can no longer replenish itself through you. You have found your own inner strength. You have accessed the power of Now.
Unconsciousness creates it; consciousness transmutes it into itself.

The pin body consists of trapped life-energy that has split off from your total energy field and has temporarily become autonomous through the unnatural process of mind identification. It has turned in on itself and become anti-life, like an animal trying to devour its own tail. Why do you think our civilization has become so life-destructive?
But even the life-destructive forces are still life-energy.

Let me summarize the process. Focus attention on the feeling inside you. Know that it is the pain body. Accept that it is there. Don't think about it - don't let the feeling turn into thinking. Don't judge or analyze. Don't make an identity for yourself out of it. Stay present, and continue to be the observer of what is happening inside you. Become aware not only of the emotional pain but also of "the one who observes," the silent watcher.

This is the power of the Now, the power of your own conscious presence. Then see what happens.

For many women, the pain body awakens particularly at the time preceding the menstrual flow....If you are able to stay alert and present at that time and watch whatever you feel within, rather then be taken over by it, it affords an opportunity for the most powerful spiritual practice, and a rapid transmutation of all past pain becomes possible.



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