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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14472753 - 05/18/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So... basically a cop can lie and say he smelled marijuana, bust into your place, and ruin your life, even if there is no marijuana present, just because he now has that ability... Great.





Yep. This is no doubt crossing a major line. And we can see how it was handled
by the US supreme court.





Yeah, and this is disturbing:

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The court contended that officers "deliberately create the exigent circumstances with the bad faith intent to avoid the warrant requirement.




So basically doing anything to avoid or keep cops from being able to search you is grounds for being searched?  I guess I should just flat-out stop following the law then.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DrMambo]
    #14472755 - 05/18/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

NORML has a great article on this that I wish I could quote but it would lose it's formatting.

http://blog.norml.org/2011/05/17/supreme-court-eviscerates-4th-amendment-over-marijuana-smell/

Fuck the government for trying to take away our rights.

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The Bill of Rights is a series of limitations on the power of the United States federal government, protecting the natural rights of liberty and property including freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms.

Delegates to the Philadelphia Convention on September 12, 1787 debated whether to include a Bill of Rights in the body of the U.S. Constitution, and an agreement to create the Bill of Rights helped to secure ratification of the Constitution itself.[3] Ideological conflict between Federalists and anti-Federalists threatened the final ratification of the new national Constitution. Thus, the Bill addressed the concerns of some of the Constitution's influential opponents, including prominent Founding Fathers, who argued that the Constitution should not be ratified because it failed to protect the fundamental principles of human liberty.




What happened to protecting human liberty? The ability to be free in our lives and actions as long as it doesn't encroach upon another's ability to be free in their life and actions?


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14472769 - 05/18/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I'm just saying that its a continuing trend that will probably get worse...





Yet many laugh it off. I dont get it.




What hvae you done to stop this encrouchment... Better yet, what can you do to stop it? 






Nice logic. Gotta love the "Oh yeah what have you done or Oh yeah what can we do?
so who cares?"

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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Maverick]
    #14472774 - 05/18/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Someday they'll quit with the facade, and claim no warrants are needed in Any search, regardless of the circumstances, do to 'inherent terrorist threat in the community' or some lame bullshit.  You just wait, it's coming.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14472777 - 05/18/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I was asking you a question... doesnt sond like you do that much but complain about the problem.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: The Inner Eye] * 1
    #14472779 - 05/18/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What hvae you done to stop this encrouchment... Better yet, what can you do to stop it?  Unless you take away peoples cable t.v. and internet, they will always be sheeple slaves.




I think by just bringing to light and getting some discussion going he's doing a bit more than just twiddling his thumbs and taking the shaft.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Maverick]
    #14472780 - 05/18/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Someday they'll quit with the facade, and claim no warrants are needed in Any search, regardless of the circumstances, do to 'inherent terrorist threat in the community' or some lame bullshit.  You just wait, it's coming.





Its clearly coming.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14472786 - 05/18/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Following that will be police state.  Curfews will be set (they might as well already in my town, if you're driving past 1am you Will get pulled over about 80% of the time, and you will be interrogated on why you're out so late.)


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14472792 - 05/18/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: DrMambo]
    #14472800 - 05/18/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What hvae you done to stop this encrouchment... Better yet, what can you do to stop it?  Unless you take away peoples cable t.v. and internet, they will always be sheeple slaves.




I think by just bringing to light and getting some discussion going he's doing a bit more than just twiddling his thumbs and taking the shaft.




Lol.... Im glad you are optimistic.  I myself am more pragmatic about the situation.  This country needs a serious overhaul.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14472808 - 05/18/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says




Because citizens ALWAYS get fair treatment when they go against cops and judges in court :rolleyes:


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14472813 - 05/18/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Our country slowly stealing our privacy and rights???  Unheard of!  :lolsy:




:whathesaid:

The worst part is such actions and encroachments are performed over just a long enough period of time for people not to hit the streets or raise up arms.  People say the 2nd amendment can't be touched but I not so sure these days.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14472816 - 05/18/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says





The courts are obviously part of the problem. Dude wtf.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14472818 - 05/18/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says





No, it's already lost in the courts is what the ruling says.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Maverick]
    #14472819 - 05/18/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why is this such a horrible human rights abuse?

marijuana smell isn't a warrant to search the car for marijuana? huh

i would have been surprised if they ruled it the other way. this ruling is pointless anyway, cops would have searched cars they thought had marijuana in them previously. now instead of simply creating this precedent they actually have a court case to base their decisions off of. 

i dont see the big deal about this.

direct your energy towards policy reform not of insubstantial court precedents that don't really change anything


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: thodub]
    #14472821 - 05/18/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I'm not really that surprised many of the last couple of Supreme Court rulings have really weakened the 4th amendment.




If a cop heard a gunshot, and smelled gunpowder, then he could go investigate a shooting, yes?

This is like that, as far as the courts are concerned.
Weed laws are dumb, but laws are laws. That's where we need to approach this, change the law at the polls.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Maverick]
    #14472822 - 05/18/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says





No, it's already lost in the courts is what the ruling says.




no shit. How the hell do you come to that realization pris?

It was taken to court. The court made the ruling that these cops are in the right.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: amilibertine]
    #14472828 - 05/18/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Im really surprised no one has anything to say about this.





about what, that nothing has really changed?

the place to fight these things is in the courts, that's what this ruling says




Because citizens ALWAYS get fair treatment when they go against cops and judges in court :rolleyes:





trial by jury, it's citizens determining the outcome, it's unfortunate but
the majority of people simply dont care about their freedom enough to not
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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14472830 - 05/18/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We're talking about houses antieverything.  Unwarranted car searches have been around for years now.


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Re: Supreme Court endorses warrantless search based on marijuana smell [Re: Maverick]
    #14472837 - 05/18/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pris, most non-major marijuana offenses don't have a jury.  I.e. some cop busts into your house and all you are doing is ripping a gram through a bong, you'll still get arrested for drugs & paraphernalia, they never bring in a jury for something this small of an offense though, it's not worth their time.  Kind of like a DUI charge that hasn't resulted in bodily harm or property damage never has a jury.


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