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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14468649 - 05/17/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
Dude go get raped by a big black man and come back and tell us that you still think rape is ok:laugh2:




Interesting that you support racism.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14468656 - 05/17/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
Dude go get raped by a big black man and come back and tell us that you still think rape is ok:laugh2:




I don't recall him ever saying that rape was ok. I guess that this forum makes some people hallucinate extra meaning...





You are such a silly girl, actually reading what I wrote instead of projecting.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14468718 - 05/17/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
Dude go get raped by a big black man and come back and tell us that you still think rape is ok:laugh2:




What words of wisdom. :facepalm:


Rape is not inherently "wrong", because the idea of inherent "wrongness" rests on the faulty premise of objective morality. Rape may be "wrong" on an individual basis due to the possible negative repercussions associated with committing rape, such as jail time or social stigma.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14468767 - 05/17/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Help a bruthuh to understand.





Would you want a 250 pound black man (mexican man, white man, asian man) holding you down and forcing his cock into your ass?

You might like rape. Who knows?

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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: XUL]
    #14468805 - 05/17/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So, to rephrase your POV, anything that a person doesn't like is wrong?


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: XUL]
    #14468843 - 05/17/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

because it violates right to free will
if there is consent, it isn't rape
it is wrong for someone to be forced into something(sex, giving up property, giving up any natural right against ones will.)
as far as nature, how do you know the difference in an animal raping another, and 2 animals having consensual sex?
also the concepts of right and wrong seem only to be a factor in humans.
Things happen in nature that we would consider wrong or bad. Natural does not = good or right in the human sense. Some animals eat their young, some their mates. They kill, and they also seemingly intimidate, steal, assault, harass, lie, and cheat. But we would have to be in the predator's and prey's head to know the full story.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: djnoktirnal]
    #14468852 - 05/17/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't consent to taxes.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14468874 - 05/17/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're a terrible troll. :facepalm:


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14468965 - 05/17/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One of the most-oft-used arguments around here is 'because it is found in nature'.

Those arguments only go to whether or not something is natural, not whether or not it's right.

Rape is natural as far as I can tell. So is infanticide and murder and war.

Whether or not those things are right is a whole other question. I guess we need a clear definition of what "right" and "wrong" are to answer it.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Diploid]
    #14469060 - 05/17/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The cereal I buy is 'All Natural!' How can I tell if it is immoral without a clear and easy metric?


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14469132 - 05/17/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If it has raisins in it, it's immoral. Yuck! :puke:


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: m_m]
    #14469157 - 05/17/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:

And the mexican guy you're out of your element. Noone gives two shits about your hypothetical philosophical crap. Go to another planet if you don't think rape is wrong





You guys are the only trolls I see here.  If you can't handle people asking questions arguendo then philosophy probably isn't for you

Where exactly are you getting this "you don't think rape is wrong"?  Seems like you just made that up for the sake of your meritless condemnation.  What OC believes is irrelevant to the discussion anyways.

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m_m said:
You're a terrible troll. :facepalm:





Stop this bullshit.

Your namecalling is no less in violation of the rules because you allege the same of others.  If you have a problem with another member and can't handle it yourself, then PM diploid or hit the report post button.

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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: johnm214] * 1
    #14469204 - 05/17/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Rape is wrong because it allows those who women would otherwise select against to pass on their genes, thus creating a next generation of thugs and losers.

It's the last bit of eugenics humans are allowed to use, don't take it from us!


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: johnm214]
    #14469298 - 05/17/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think a more important thing to ponder would be how productive an infinitely regressive series of questions being posed by the OP are in response to the posts in this thread. Oh I get it, Socratic ignorance is suppose to help lead us to some deeper truths, riiiight.

There are a number of philosophical, sociological, psychological, etc. reasons as to why rape is wrong. I'll provide a few here

1. Philosophical, Kant's Categorical Imperative.
2. Sociology, Why are occurrences of rape higher in certain areas than others? Determining these factors might help us decrease the number of rapes in that area. Or, the overuse of the term rape as a metaphor and how that numbs us to the reality of rape, similar to violence in media etc.
3. Psychological, rape victims usually report and exhibit a myriad of negative psychological issues following their assaults.

I'd say this thread is useless on several levels. Intellectually it is a circle jerk thanks to the OP. Socially this thread is not addressing rape as a serious act, ie posts saying 'go get raped by such and such type of person etc'. Finally, there has not been any discussion on why rape occurs and how to help prevent it in the future. Very shallow discussion going on here :facepalm:


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14469798 - 05/17/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't consent to taxes.



...thank you!
see Taxes, as well, are wrong. It's extortion. Theft by coercion or threat of force. Would you go to your neighbor and threaten them with violence to get some of their money? Would you hire your other neighbor to do it? If no, then why is it ok for us to tell our govt to go steal money from certain people, and give it to others. All taxes should be consensual. Remember, it's what kicked off the American Revolution.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14469852 - 05/17/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Its wrong because we define it to be wrong.  That how all notions of right and wrong are had, they are defined not discovered.




I agree.  If the greater majority of humans didn't collectively agree that it was "wrong" then it wouldn't be so.

I think that's about it for this question.

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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Yith]
    #14469917 - 05/17/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

but some people define things to be wrong that others do not, take drugs, for example. Some will tell you that it is wrong to take ANY drug, and while sipping on a espresso full of caffiene. On other things, almost all people will agree on it's "rightness" or "wrongness".
I also disagree that this topic is shallow and usless. I am of the opinion that evrything should be qustioned. If you don't ask the question, you never get an answer. Anyway, the topic is "why is rape wrong?", not "how do we prevent rape?", or "why is rape occurring?"; which don't even come close into delving into why it is wrong.


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14470065 - 05/17/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
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i like cow poo said:
Dude go get raped by a big black man and come back and tell us that you still think rape is ok:laugh2:




I don't recall him ever saying that rape was ok. I guess that this forum makes some people hallucinate extra meaning...





You are such a silly girl, actually reading what I wrote instead of projecting.




Well I was going to suggest, that I rape you in the ass with my strap on, but perhaps that is just projecting my desire to rape you in the ass with a strap on...

Why would raping you in the ass with a strap on be wrong?

I am quite good at it, you might even like it OC.  :iloveyou:


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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Yith]
    #14470120 - 05/17/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Its wrong because we define it to be wrong.  That how all notions of right and wrong are had, they are defined not discovered.




I agree.  If the greater majority of humans didn't collectively agree that it was "wrong" then it wouldn't be so.

I think that's about it for this question.

:cthulhu:




Consensus by definition requires agreement, but this does not imply the consensus is independant of other factors, that the matter has no objective basis for selecting between options.

Rape violates the notion of a person's bod being their property and this has obvious reasons for being socially disfavored.  Additionally, empathy tends to prevent people from acting against another's will, body, et cet

Besides the sociological justifications for regarding a person's body as their property, the ethical basis isn't interelly arbitrary as this is among the most basic ethical precepts that one who isn't entirely nihilistic in outlook could adopt.  Historically it  has been such in different ethical models, and I take some comfort in concluding that whatever your ethics, it would be impossible to regard any system of ethics inconsistant with your body being your property as more convincing- at least to my reckoning.  The notion of your body being your property is consistant with your de facto control over its faculties and the lack of others having such control.

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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14470160 - 05/17/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well I was going to suggest, that I rape you in the ass with my strap on, but perhaps that is just projecting my desire to rape you in the ass with a strap on...

Why would raping you in the ass with a strap on be wrong?

I am quite good at it, you might even like it OC.  :iloveyou:




Now that don't sound natural... therefore, can't be right. :tongue:


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