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I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario.
    #14426964 - 05/09/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I would like to present a current issue in mind that I am facing as I have issues with anxiety. Well, lets say the cubensis are grown from someone I know, whom has grown before, experienced contaminated mushrooms and has done his own research here on the shroomery whether. Though, it seems he's been having trouble with perception and I'm quite unsure whether or not the mushrooms he had recently grown were as said to be free of contaminates.

The scenario, prior to inoculation, a few days late into taking the cakes from the jars, (he seemingly was absent minded to even do this.)had he looked upon and found pins and mushrooms developing. There was what he classified as bruising on the cakes, with white fur on some, but he described that to be the mycelium thats been exposed to water and reacting in that way. I was a bit concerned but I didn't really have anything to say as I didn't want to question his judgement and seemingly confident sense of understanding for what is in-front of us.

There were bits of black on the cakes, but dense within the turquoise bruising amidst the cakes. After removing the cakes from the jars they certainly bruised fast as well, but also with the mushrooms growing in the jars, they seemingly bruised as they were growing within such a tight quarters.

He took everything off and did a dunk, made a tea with the small bits of mushrooms and pins and it was weak but nothing really to mention.

After the dunk, I have yet to see anything, but small mushrooms being produces, almost like dwarves, perhaps they had adapted to growing in the jar and their limit in growth was stunted because of i. They matured, just dwarf like.

After he collected the yields, the mushrooms seemed like they had bruising, but perhaps a few other colors on them. I can't recall, but he has more that's dried. I was wondering if anyone could classify with a picture if they are looking fine or if I should be worried. As I had recently had an experience eating around 2 grams of which he had collected, had a decent experience but the stomach ache that came forth, in midst of digestion that lasted 20 minutes was a bit off putting. But also a sort of fatigue has existed in mind after the whole experience.

Now I am concerned with, is there a chance I ate some contaminated mushrooms, in which could have a neurological affect on me, such as brain damage to some degree? I'm speaking to a physical portion of which rather than psychological, as I'm more concerned if potential contaminates might have affected me to a destructive level.


Please help! I'll upload a few pictures of what my friend has and hopefully one can discern if they are fine!

As that would be alot off my mind! ^_______^ <3














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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Konata]
    #14428340 - 05/10/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perfectly fine.
Most contaminants are not poisonous, even less are neuro toxic. And this doesn't even sound like it was contaminated.
Your thoughts are poisoning you.

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Tangich]
    #14429572 - 05/10/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was worried it would be beyond another to distinguish if dried mushrooms were contaminated. Not to say one can't discern from one, but if you know this from knowledge, I thank you regardless. As I do suffer from a combination of OCD, Anxiety and Depression, the mix of Anxiety and OCD creates a minor delusion at times. A serious form of mis-belief relative to the loss of ones being.

Again, I can thank you no more Tangich, for if what you say is true then I'm beyond all that had been brooding in my mind...


If there is anyone whom is to read about this and say otherwise, I would certainly be interested in hearing what you're able to say. Even so, if you have a more insightful response to follow Tangich, that shows where such knowledge stems from, that would be great as well.
The more insight to my question, the more can I relinquish this anxiety.

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Konata]
    #14429657 - 05/10/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First of all, here's the list of common contaminants.
http://www.shroomery.org/5276/What-are-common-contaminants-of-the-mushroom-culture

From your posts I can see that your very anxious about this, and that you are greatly over thinking it.
'Blue bruising and white fur' is psilocin oxidation and mycelial growth caused by the high humidity inside the jar.
You have to understand that very few contaminats attack the mushrooms themselves. And all of them die when the mushroom dries out.
Only thing you could worry about at this point is if the mushrooms are wet and soggy and have bacteria or mold growing on them. No colours, just clear, visible, aerial growth! I don't believe that is the case here.
Once again, almost no molds that attack mushroom substrates are poisonous! Only a few Aspergillus species are toxic, and they cause lung damage, not neurotoxicity. And only if large quantities are inhaled.
And Trichoderma, the green mold that is one of the rare ones that attacks mycelium, not only the uncolonized substrate, is not toxic!

We don't worry about contamination because it could poison us, but because it releases billions of spores into our grow area, thus making all future grows very difficult!!

Mushroom cell walls are made of hard to digest chitin, and that is causing stomach problems.
Next time make tea, and you will avoid any negative side-effects.


If you have any more specific questions, I'd be more than glad to put your mind at ease!

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Tangich]
    #14440242 - 05/12/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i agree with Tangich, you seem to be over thinking it, the mushrooms look fine to me.


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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: solumvita]
    #14449706 - 05/14/11 05:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wow buddy! relax and enjoy your fat bag! those look very tastey! :awetongue:

I personally would recommend packing a fat ass bowl and relaxing! :jah:


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14469564 - 05/17/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I have an update and a few more questions. Thanks for relieving me of the anxiety I had prior to eating an eighth, though I still had a few factors come into my experience that concerned me. The mushrooms seemed a little black in areas, I'm not sure what this may be, either aged bruising or? Putting the mushrooms into a peanut butter and jelly, I consumed it at a moderate rate, within 35 minutes I was feeling a nauseating feeling brood in my stomach. It began to grow, furthermore was I becoming slightly delirious, taking two baths within the 45 span that I was experiencing this upcoming, unlike any other the nauseating delirium that took me was becoming to much. As I was standing up out of the bathtub I vomited into the water and stumbled into my room. Collapsing to the floor, pulling my blankets to me, it grew to be the worst feeling I've ever faced with any drugs. Having taking mushrooms several times before this was incomparable. Eventually, body hit the peak, ending this suffering and feeling of a creeping death and I felt released and left in a mystified, pleasurable state. It within moments became one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. All aspects of stress and anxiety left my mind and I felt at peace with myself. Truly it was far more then this but I don't want to write of the experience itself but my concerns of which. At the end of the trip, I developed a motion sensitive head ache and I went to bed. Awaking with the head ache, I thought into it and studied a bit more to the reasons that may be the cause for it. I believe it was due to my lack of hydration, I drank a few Kapri Suns (Heh) But nothing really at all. If I wasn't so taken into the psychadelic state would I have consumed a bit more. As I'm well aware that after throwing up should one drink to make up for lost fluids.

So if anyone could explain to me what the source of the head ache would be and if the mushrooms consumed look ill fated. Do note I didn't throw up so much, just a little bit of vomit came up, it wasn't as much of a struggle and excessive as some might perceive when I say I vomitted.

Aside from these few things, an eighth of the small Golden Teachers were truly an amazing experience.

My greatest concern comes of my neurological well being, I fear that consuming the wrong kind of mushrooms even after hearing briefly that most contaminates are not neuro-toxic.

The Sandwhich with a few demons.


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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Konata]
    #14469599 - 05/17/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

they still look tasty bro... I think the mushies might have been a little more potent, but I always smoke during the come up

the last time I tripped hard, I ate an eighth and had some really bad stomach pain. but it goes away and the fun part of the trip really starts! I've never thrown up from shrooms tho, I have an iron stomach


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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!

I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14469981 - 05/17/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe the reason why I worry so much is, the one whom is growing these mushrooms take the fully colonized cakes into another room where he has another terrarium with contaminated cakes he has yet to dispose of. He just has it sealed and waits for the time to do so, as he has factors involved that hinder his ability (at least in his mind) to doing so. But I do believe he's over thinking it and putting up more of a risk for the healthy cakes with the contaminated cakes near by.

I know enough to say that it may affect even the mushrooms that are laid out to dry, but not enough to know whether or not that that once the cake is fully colonized, whether or the contaminates that are potentially air borne could affect these colonized cakes! So, realistically, I feel that while drying, they can pick up these contaminates as well as the question in mind of whether the contaminates could have affected the cakes that were brought into the same room.

It's really just foolish if you ask me, but then again he's a bit ignorant in that blunt confidently stupid sense that it's not a big deal, he believes he knows enough that it's not to be an issue and that there isn't anything to worry about. Though he has only been showing a deteriorating amount of accuracy to his calculations and knowledge on projects and on simple things, so I do worry, I certainly do worry about his rational understanding to some things, even so, the health of those who are trying the mushrooms he grows.

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: Konata]
    #14470245 - 05/17/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well then get on the cultivation forum and start up yourself.

mushrooms don't get diseased by being in the same room as contamed cakes. But I do understand where your coming from, as your friend sounds like a dirty fucker. Stop getting shit from him and hook your friends up yourself by growing your own


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We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....

                   

FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!

I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~

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Re: I need an expert's ability to discern a potential contamination in a unique scenario. [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14470980 - 05/17/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Black spots were most likely spore deposits. In fact, as most mushrooms have open caps, I'm certain that's what they were. Absolutely nothing to worry about it.
Whole dried mushrooms are very hard to digest. That is why you were nauseous and why you threw up. I get around this by grinding the mushrooms into powder, making them much easier to digest, eliminating stomach problems and making the entire trip much more pleasurable and worry free. Some people make tea, which makes all stomach problems non-existent, but I don't like the feel of the tea-trip.
And your headache was brought on by dehydration and your anxiety. Don't try to fool yourself, don't try to find only physical symptoms, and don't blame the mushroom, your thoughts, because you were nauseous and vomited and worrying in general, take a big part of the responsibility.
There is nothing wrong in your friend's process that could endanger your health, only perhaps his working area.
You worry so much about physical damage some imaginary evil contaminate might do to your brain, and yet you fail to admit the damage your thoughts are doing to you. Inform yourself, know what you're doing, if you don't feel comfortable, then don't do it, psychedelics can make your psychological problems even worse if you don't want to let go of them.

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