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OfflineLuckOfTheFryish
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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14468746 - 05/17/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well i wasnt able to get lab time due to classes and what not, but i was referred to 3 biologists professors from the college by the science head. i sent them some of the pictures. so maybe they will want to do some work with me.
jeesh and all i wanted to do was look at the spores and a pice of the cap under a scope and take soem pictures. well lets see what happens!


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14468848 - 05/17/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well i wasnt able to get lab time due to classes and what not, but i was referred to 3 biologists professors from the college by the science head. i sent them some of the pictures. so maybe they will want to do some work with me.
jeesh and all i wanted to do was look at the spores and a pice of the cap under a scope and take soem pictures. well lets see what happens!




I know the feeling. I went to my microbiology teacher to use the flowhood and he was reluctant to allow me to. I'm thining about taking microbiology or plant biology this Fall so I may gain access during class time.


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Re: Identification Request [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14468898 - 05/17/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nice work man, you are a real credit to mushroom enthusiasts. Keep up the good fight. here's hoping that they are an unknown species, good luck man. :cheers:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14469949 - 05/17/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BUMP FOR MICROSCOPY!! the new pics and microscopy is in the OP. enjoi


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14469983 - 05/17/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

very fucking cool man! love the video, wish I could help with an ID though.


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Re: Identification Request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14469994 - 05/17/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thanks Maynard. glad youre enjoying this and the vid :cool:  wish i could help with an ID too :lol:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14470075 - 05/17/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

video of spores confirms Deconica because they looked angular almost like entoloma at times but thats all i can make of it

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Re: Identification Request [Re: The Thinker]
    #14470089 - 05/17/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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video of spores confirms Deconica because they looked angular almost like entoloma at times but thats all i can make of it




yup. wish i could get it down to a species though. until it is otherwise proven, i dub them Deconica fry!


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14470119 - 05/17/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did the ones you pick bruise any color besides brown? That would be fucking sweet if you found a new active in the PNW!


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Re: Identification Request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14470134 - 05/17/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

no i didnt see any blue bruising. i dont think i would have missed something like that. but that also doesnt mean they arent active. who knows they could be a weakly active Psilocybe. but prolly not :sad:
ima stick with Deconica til a positive ID says what they are or i do chemical tests


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14470337 - 05/17/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

IVE GOT IT!!! :smile:

the buttery rubbery texture was really throwing me off of Deconica and Psilocybe but then i got it!.

Deconica subviscida :thumbup:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14470372 - 05/17/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The microscopy isn't clear enough to tell much from it.  What kind of camera are you using?  I assume it looks more clear through the eyepiece.  What magnification and scope?  Is the fine focus set right?  Did you adjust the condenser and/or set up kohler illumination?

It definitely could be Deconica.

Run it through the key in The Genus Psilocybe by Gaston Guzman.

The spore river is caused by capilary action of the water under the slide.  One way to eliminate that is to coat the edges of the cover slip with nail polish to prevent evaporation.

You will need a reticle to measure the spores.


At a minimum you need a clear picture of the spores, measurements of the spores, cheilocystidia, pleurocystidia and the pileipellis in cross section.  It helps to measure the cheilocystidia and pleurocystidia in a crush mount too but that is always needed.  Check the key to Psilocybe section Psilocybe to see what you need for this section of this genus.


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Re: Identification Request [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14471066 - 05/18/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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IVE GOT IT!!! :smile:

the buttery rubbery texture was really throwing me off of Deconica and Psilocybe but then i got it!.

Deconica subviscida :thumbup:




that LOOKS like a perfect match. the only thing wrong is that from what ive read it fruits during late fall/ winter times. :shrug:

@Alan: no, it was not much clearer through the eyepiece. its the scope, not that camera. i used my old POS russian scope again just to get a general shape of the spores.
  i know that i will need measurements and clearer pictures to help, but i wanted to look for myself until i can use a proper scope and thought id take pics to share anyways.
  and yea i know what was goin on with the spore river but i still think it was awesome :tongue2:
i dont have Dr. Guzman's book yet. think i can find his keys online? ima check it out anyway.

thanks for the help guys! :smile:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14471143 - 05/18/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hey we saw a P pelliculosa observation last spring so seasons can overlap. but my book says late spring to summer tho anyways. :shrug:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14475461 - 05/18/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

maybe its psilocybe coprophila.


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Re: Identification Request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14475471 - 05/18/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its Deconica subviscida, look at how close those gills are , D coprophila has very distant gills like many other coprophilic mushrooms..


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Re: Identification Request [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14475611 - 05/18/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can't seem to find any info on Deconica subviscida could you please share a link or tell me what book you get this information from?


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Re: Identification Request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14475817 - 05/18/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I can't seem to find any info on Deconica subviscida could you please share a link or tell me what book you get this information from?




try googling Psilocybe subviscida.

well then. i guess ill settle with Deconica subviscida. thanks Psylosymon:thumbup:

and again thanks to everyone else for helping out.


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14476292 - 05/19/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well i have lab time with a biology professor at the college next week. so ill update then with clear microscopy pics and a positive ID. wheeee!!!! :tongue2:


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Re: Identification Request [Re: LuckOfTheFryish]
    #14476362 - 05/19/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ya definetly get them checked out.  ive known about them since PMOTW came out but have never ever found them! i hope it ends up being that, i really cant see what else it could be .its a sweet find dude!


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