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CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima
    #14468133 - 05/17/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, this is highly relevant to discuss in such forums. If I lived in North America, especially around the west coast I would stay miles away from picking :mushroom2:. When the stuff even is picked up in moderate levels here on Europa, you should be very well warned. If you dont think it is an issue, at least research it and if you still want to go pickin - help yourselves ... It is highly obvious that the news about what is going on there is being covered up and hushed. at least 3 reactors is now confirmed to be in full meltdown and more are on the brink. Its hard to know exactly because they dont want us to know...

here is a few words from Busby from today, he is highly respected and has spoken out about this since day one pretty much.

"Busby is the director of Green Audit, an environmental consultancy agency,[1] and scientific advisor to the Low Level Radiation Campaign (LLRC) which he set up in 1995.[2] Busby is a visiting professor at the University of Ulster.[3] Busby was the National Speaker on Science and Technology for the Green Party of England and Wales".


2. The reason it is not being reported on much could be that recently (a month ago?) the EPA raised the "safe" levels of exposure by an average of 1000% per isotope. its pretty hilarious actually. Oh yeah, this is not only in the US, in the EU countries as well.

"EPA to raise "safe" limits

The EPA is at it again, they now want to change the "safe" limits of exposure to humans. The EPA wants to raise "Protective Action Guides" (PAG's) to levels vastly higher than those at which they are currently set allowing for more radioactive contamination of the environment and the general public.

"According to PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, the new standards would drastically raise the levels of radiation allowed in food, water, air, and the general environment. PEER, a national organization of local, state, and federal employees who had access to internal EPA emails, claims that the new standards will result in a “nearly 1000-fold increase for exposure to strontium-90, a 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to iodine-131; and an almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive nickel-63″ in drinking water. This information, as well as the emails themselves were published by Collapsenet on March 24.

In addition to raising the level of permissible radiation in the environment, PEER suggests that the standards of cleanup after a radioactive emergency will actually be reduced. As a result, radioactive cleanup thresholds will be vastly lowered and, by default, permissible levels of radiation will be vastly increased in this manner as well."

Remember, these are the same people who said the air was safe to breath on 9/11."
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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: lasdR]
    #14468285 - 05/17/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Def will still be eating psilocybes.
A gram or so dry couldn't hurt


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: mylfgur]
    #14468354 - 05/17/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This has happend to us in sweden alredy. Still some woods that is recommended not to pick any mushrooms/berries in.

It depends a little, i doubt this would make me not. But time will tell ey?  :docbrown:


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: mylfgur]
    #14468357 - 05/17/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I grew up in Poland and when I was 7, we took a direct hit from the Chernobyl fallout (without being warned by the Communist regime!).  None of my family, friends or friends of friends were directly affected by radiation sickness.

While I appreciate your concern, and will continue to keep an eye out on the matter, I highly doubt that my conifer forests on the west coast of Canada will be affected in any significant way.  I'm not going to live my life full of fear.  And let's face it, if the mushrooms on the coast are fucked, then so are the fish, the soil etc...A more salient discussion might be what happens when you keep your laptop or cellphone close to your nutsack

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2008/09/radio-waves-fro.html


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: mylfgur]
    #14468384 - 05/17/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I live on the west coast of the united states and I am not frightened to eat mushrooms. The fukushima power plant is roughly 7,150 miles from where I live, if radiation could travel that far I would figure it would dissipate greatly by the time it reached our shores. If I did infant live in Japan I would not eat wild mushrooms. As far as being scared to eat mushrooms here I am not, also I do not let fear control my life or dictate my actions. Thanks for the news article though. :grin:


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14468420 - 05/17/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Right on Maynard...i feel the same way brotha.

Additionally, it has been proven that red meat is linked to colo-rectal cancers but that doesn't stop the hordes from lining up to get their Big Macs.  Oh, and they say alcohol might damage your liver...should I go on?  Life is a dangerous game, you always die at the end :death: :laugh2:


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: nonlocal]
    #14468607 - 05/17/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well it does concern me being a big fan of our planet earth . :thumbdown: you can tell its really serious when they stop talking about it on the news. id like to see what the levels are now compared to what was being found in the milk when the radiation was first detected here on the west coast. our government here isnt testing anything as far as i know. i only know of tests from washington and california.


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14468748 - 05/17/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm one for treating our environment with respect, but this article/video is just +1 to fear mongering.


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: ShockValue]
    #14468798 - 05/17/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the OP has gone far beyond 'fear mongering' with this news.  Are not some mushrooms species able to "bio-accumulate' certain toxins?  If this is so, than a quick rundown of various other hazards associated with modern life is irrelevant.  Since we are a community of mushroom enthusiasts, it only makes sense to be aware of this.  Each of us can set our own concern level, sure, but this is not the same as the other hazards being mentioned.

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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: dip]
    #14468842 - 05/17/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess we should all carry around geiger counters with us when go mushroom hunting then huh. I bet that news organization is funded largely in part by geiger counter manufacturing companies.  :fork:
Just kidding :grin:.


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Re: 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima warning [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14468894 - 05/17/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Eh, I'd easily risk dieing from picking radioactive mushrooms. If if couldn't pick mushrooms I'd probably be just as good dead. :shrug:


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: lasdR]
    #14469151 - 05/17/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As somebody who works with radiation, it's not a big deal here (yet) in North America.

The best indicator or how bad things are the various measurements of radiation levels in and around the plants. We don't need to trust what the plant owners or government are saying, there are a bunch of open sourced radiation monitors in the region so you can see what they're reading. Those value are consistent with the sort of readings being published from the plant.

At the worst location outside at the plant, they're measuring 396 microsieverts of radiation per hour at the south side of the office building. Values at the gates are at 15 and 43 microsieverts per hour.

For a sense of scale, the average radiation received by all of us is about 2400 microsieverts per year. The levels being reported are such that you don't want to be there without protective gear, and you don't want to be there for any extended period of time.

Given that I'm something like 8000 miles away, any radiation leaks have to make it an awful long way across an ocean to cause much more than a barely measurable effect.

Remember, radiation detectors are *really* sensitive. They pick up tiny amounts of radioactivity. If this stuff starts making it across the ocean, you can believe that the people that work with radiation are going to know about it quickly. Radiation workers understand the risks very well, and the same ones don't want anything to do with increased risks.

For those who don't know, the primary risk of radiation exposure (assuming these sorts of low levels) is cancer. The levels I'm hearing about that might make it to North America so far put the risk much below the risk I'm taking by smoking this cigar (*puff puff*).

If the numbers start climbing, I'll make a post and get the word out to people. I'll also be getting the word out to other public mushroom groups (like the Colorado Mycological Society). And I'm sure I won't be the only one doing that.

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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: ToxicMan]
    #14469195 - 05/17/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

@ToxicMan

My buddy works for the navy and is the guy deals with the little radiation monitors that the the poor bastards have to wear that scrub the nuclear subs when they come into port.  He checks their numbers after every shift and determines weather they can go back the next day, etc etc.

He says pretty much the same thing you do.


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: ToxicMan]
    #14469197 - 05/17/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ToxicMan said:

If the numbers start climbing, I'll make a post and get the word out to people. I'll also be getting the word out to other public mushroom groups (like the Colorado Mycological Society). And I'm sure I won't be the only one doing that.

Happy mushrooming!




Thank you good sir for looking out for the rest of us. :grin:


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14469482 - 05/17/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well we are already screwed then so why hold back? I will go out with a bang or two at least haha. Thanks for the heads up!


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14469487 - 05/17/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ToxicMan said:

If the numbers start climbing, I'll make a post and get the word out to people. I'll also be getting the word out to other public mushroom groups (like the Colorado Mycological Society). And I'm sure I won't be the only one doing that.

Happy mushrooming!




Thank you good sir for looking out for the rest of us. :grin:





yes i agree, thank you Toxic man. your knowledge goes far beyond just the mushroom info you bless us with. i am glad we have someone here that can gives us a straight answer about this stuff as i give wild mushrooms to my son and my parents as well as my self.

cigars will give you cancer , i quit smoking tobbacco and nicotine 10 months ago . best decision ive made in years!! my girlfriend quit at the same time. we read a book called alan carrs easy way to quit smoking. :thumbup:


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #14469496 - 05/17/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is total bull shit

Seriously.... There is no freakn way, that mushrooms in the US or Europe will be able to pick up significant radioactive isotopes to cause ANY one harm...

Please... Do not buy into this anti-nuclear propaganda crap... Seriously folks...

This is what I do for a living... Radioactive materials found in the northern hemisphere from japan,'the I-131 is short lived. And the source has been stopped... The low levels of Cs is totally insignificant.  I would not be eating mushrooms from within 50'miles of the Japan damage plant... But to think there is a problem with US or European mushrooms is nonsense!

So... Please... Think critically... Who is saying what...'and why. A lot of people will be using the tragedy for their own gain. 20,000 plus died in the tidal wave and earth quake... How many have died from the radiation? None.

ToxicMan is correct... We can detect such low levels... That have no risk of harm. It's all about amount... We get a litlle radiation every day. There are variations in that amount based on where you live, what you do and where you work. People are worrying about nothing... For example... I calculated to dose from the milk in our state at it's highest level... If you drank 2 liters of that milk, every day for 40 years... You dose would be the same as 3 chest x-rays or about a month of background radiation.


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: ToxicMan]
    #14469947 - 05/17/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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As somebody who works with radiation, it's not a big deal here (yet) in North America.

The best indicator or how bad things are the various measurements of radiation levels in and around the plants. We don't need to trust what the plant owners or government are saying, there are a bunch of open sourced radiation monitors in the region so you can see what they're reading. Those value are consistent with the sort of readings being published from the plant.

At the worst location outside at the plant, they're measuring 396 microsieverts of radiation per hour at the south side of the office building. Values at the gates are at 15 and 43 microsieverts per hour.

For a sense of scale, the average radiation received by all of us is about 2400 microsieverts per year. The levels being reported are such that you don't want to be there without protective gear, and you don't want to be there for any extended period of time.

Given that I'm something like 8000 miles away, any radiation leaks have to make it an awful long way across an ocean to cause much more than a barely measurable effect.

Remember, radiation detectors are *really* sensitive. They pick up tiny amounts of radioactivity. If this stuff starts making it across the ocean, you can believe that the people that work with radiation are going to know about it quickly. Radiation workers understand the risks very well, and the same ones don't want anything to do with increased risks.

For those who don't know, the primary risk of radiation exposure (assuming these sorts of low levels) is cancer. The levels I'm hearing about that might make it to North America so far put the risk much below the risk I'm taking by smoking this cigar (*puff puff*).

If the numbers start climbing, I'll make a post and get the word out to people. I'll also be getting the word out to other public mushroom groups (like the Colorado Mycological Society). And I'm sure I won't be the only one doing that.

Happy mushrooming!



Thanks!:cheers:


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14470220 - 05/17/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:  :thanx:


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Re: CAUTION! 2011 mushrooms in northern hemisphere contaminated by Fukushima [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #14470503 - 05/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Folks, let's be sure to not turn this into some sort of thing against lasdR. At this point it looks like he was trying to do a good thing, but was probably misinformed. I checked the references in his post, and couldn't find any actual numbers of how much radiation was involved there. That sets off alarms for me. Of course, I had also been following the story since it happened (I have family in Japan).



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cigars will give you cancer , i quit smoking tobbacco and nicotine 10 months ago . best decision ive made in years!! my girlfriend quit at the same time. we read a book called alan carrs easy way to quit smoking.




I only do 1 or 2 a year. Even my doctor doesn't bug me about it, and I tell her when she asks. At those levels the risk is pretty minimal.

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