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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Orium]
#14482772 - 05/20/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The cunstruct of rape by a litigious society of ballbusting women fueled by their rage at anything with a penis is out of hand.
Just sayin...
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LunarEclipse said: The cunstruct of rape by a litigious society of ballbusting women fueled by their rage at anything with a penis is out of hand.
For some it might be that way, but as i mentioned earlier in the thread i have had small group discussions about rape and 2 of the chicks (women) in the group had been raped and it's a traumatic experience. It's different for a chick. they are weaker than men when they are raped it's almost as if they're helpless. It also makes them feel as if they're a whore at the same time. It's really fucking complicated but raping is just not the physical act, you are also raping their mind. Chicks that have been raped tend to be at a much higher chance of being bat shit fucking crazy then those who haven't.
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LunarEclipse said: The cunstruct of rape by a litigious society of ballbusting women fueled by their rage at anything with a penis is out of hand.
For some it might be that way, but as i mentioned earlier in the thread i have had small group discussions about rape and 2 of the chicks (women) in the group had been raped and it's a traumatic experience. It's different for a chick. they are weaker than men when they are raped it's almost as if they're helpless. It also makes them feel as if they're a whore at the same time. It's really fucking complicated but raping is just not the physical act, you are also raping their mind. Chicks that have been raped tend to be at a much higher chance of being bat shit fucking crazy then those who haven't.
Well what I don't get then is all the play rape stuff. The rough stuff. The whips and shit like that. Strangle till they almost die type stuff. Which some chicks dig.
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I don't know, I always figured it was tied in with cultural repression of sexuality. Not just women, but women are probably more prone to it given the particular societal burdens/norms that treat women sexuality a bit uncomfortably and the expectation that they should be hard to get, pure, not have many parterns, et cet.
Many women feel conflicted about their sexuality, their upbringing and cultural norms telling them its something that should be suppressed and not something that should be expressed with anyone other than perhaps a husband in private.
When they are dominated sexually, it can probably fulfill a psychological need to attribute the sexual behavior to their partner, rather than them. Many women like to feel dominated in sexual situations, and I'd imagine the whips and choking and all that is just a further point on the same spectrum that fulfills the same need.
I would expect the exact same to thing to explain why some male's like that stuff too. Uncomfortable with their own sexuality they seek out such relationships where they don't have to feel "dirty" or "perverted" in seeking sex, which they regard with aprehnsion, disgust, and shame. When whipped or dominated by a woman, they don't need to own their own desire and sexuality- they are just a passive object, not participating, or only fulfilling the needs of someone else, hence lessening the dissonance experienced between their sexual needs and psychological aversion.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Orium]
#14484032 - 05/20/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Orium said: Consent is a human construct.
Other animals can consent to things, like for example when my cat consents to being pet.
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Orium said: And as such they can't really rape...
Yes they can, and they do.
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Orium said: I think we should leave the animals out of this becase they do not apply to our social standards... at least that's how I see it.
Whose social standards in particular are you speaking about?
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Poid]
#14484196 - 05/20/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Orium said: Consent is a human construct.
Other animals can consent to things, like for example when my cat consents to being pet.
I don't think this would be the case per the relevant definition of consent in rape cases. Generally the consent, where such is required, must be knowing and informed consideration of the choices available and the likely reprocussions by a person with sufficient faculties to make the decision at the time in question.
It would seem unlikely that your cat could meet this standard- whatever the wisdom of it.
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Orium said: And as such they can't really rape...
Yes they can, and they do.
Well, there's examples of forceful intercourse and apparent reluctance from one of the partners, but it would be difficult to meet the standards set out above. Large cats have often violent encounters during intercourse yet continue for hours, returning again. Despite the apparent reluctance at certain points, they continue. Had they nought, it might falsely seem there was no consent. This behavior probably has to do with the whole spiked penis thing though, lol
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Orium said: I think we should leave the animals out of this becase they do not apply to our social standards... at least that's how I see it.
Whose social standards in particular are you speaking about?
I would imagine she's referring the standards of consent discussed above.
I agree that bringing animals into it isn't helpful. At best it seems to be a naturalistic fallacy.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: johnm214]
#14484690 - 05/20/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that bringing animals into it isn't helpful. At best it seems to be a naturalistic fallacy.
Other animals don't see this as a fallacy.
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I agree that bringing animals into it isn't helpful. At best it seems to be a naturalistic fallacy.
Other animals don't see this as a fallacy. 
You been talking to them, have you? How nice.
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Orium said: Consent is a human construct.
Other animals can consent to things, like for example when my cat consents to being pet.
I don't think this would be the case per the relevant definition of consent in rape cases. Generally the consent, where such is required, must be knowing and informed consideration of the choices available and the likely reprocussions by a person with sufficient faculties to make the decision at the time in question.
It would seem unlikely that your cat could meet this standard- whatever the wisdom of it.
Yeah, I guess you're right. 
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Orium said: And as such they can't really rape...
Yes they can, and they do.
Well, there's examples of forceful intercourse and apparent reluctance from one of the partners, but it would be difficult to meet the standards set out above. Large cats have often violent encounters during intercourse yet continue for hours, returning again. Despite the apparent reluctance at certain points, they continue. Had they nought, it might falsely seem there was no consent. This behavior probably has to do with the whole spiked penis thing though, lol
Yeah, their penises are barbed. 
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I agree that bringing animals into it isn't helpful. At best it seems to be a naturalistic fallacy.
Other animals don't see this as a fallacy. 
You been talking to them, have you? How nice.
I used to talk to my old parrot, Poid, and he used to talk back!
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OrgoneConclusion said: One of the most-oft-used arguments around here is 'because it is found in nature'.
Example 1: Is homosexuality wrong? No, because animals do it.
Example 2: Cannabis and/or magic mushrooms are way better than synthetic drugs like 2C-E because they are natural.
I contend the 'it is found in nature' argument must be applied equally to all topics or abolished altogether.
Homosexuality in general doesn't violate free will; the partners agree
Cannabis and magic mushrooms growing don't violate anyone's security or free will either... they don't grow out the ground and attack you
Rape may be found in nature, but it is a violation of free will. There's no consent...
The 'found in nature' argument doesn't hold for this one - it doesn't need to apply to everything or be abolished, either: things happen in the natural world that destroys and hurts life, too, like animals hunting and killing other animals. It's what it is but its not exactly pleasant for the victim. It hurts life.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: 7Richard]
#19998375 - 05/16/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rape is bad mmkay?
It's an act of pure selfishness against another who has no say in the matter. It's torture to those who have had it happen to them.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: ScottyPs]
#19998410 - 05/16/14 04:06 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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You's postin in an old troll thread
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Uzziel]
#19998463 - 05/16/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: You's postin in an old troll thread
Fargone is an old troll?
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The first two dont have unwilling victims
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Uzziel]
#19998645 - 05/16/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: You's postin in an old troll thread
I think you might be also.
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Your keen observation is astounding. We need to get you into security watch with that kind of aptitude!
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Uzziel said: You's postin in an old troll thread
Fargone is an old troll?
He could be a young one, but I like to think of him as an old one. He reminds me of the drunken old man who wants to have a good debate and has some good words to say, but is drunk as fuck, so you know how that goes!
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Uzziel]
#19998752 - 05/16/14 05:38 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: Your keen observation is astounding. We need to get you into security watch with that kind of aptitude!
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Uzziel said: You's postin in an old troll thread
Fargone is an old troll?
He could be a young one, but I like to think of him as an old one. He reminds me of the drunken old man who wants to have a good debate and has some good words to say, but is drunk as fuck, so you know how that goes!
........Or do you?
I like to think of him as a young man, because then he doesn't seem quite as old.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Uzziel]
#19999054 - 05/16/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: Your keen observation is astounding. We need to get you into security watch with that kind of aptitude!
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Uzziel said: You's postin in an old troll thread
Fargone is an old troll?
He could be a young one, but I like to think of him as an old one. He reminds me of the drunken old man who wants to have a good debate and has some good words to say, but is drunk as fuck, so you know how that goes!
........Or do you?
Uzziel, please stick to the merits of the argument and don't make insulting comments about other members such as calling members old trolls.
Consider this a warning.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: johnm214] 1
#19999675 - 05/16/14 09:55 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whatever you say John. I can't believe we even have to stick to the "merits" of the argument of why rape is bad when this whole thread is just to provoke responses.
As if forcing yourself upon someone, putting them in a uncomfortable position and potential harming their body has any good to it. Not to mention any psychological effect the victim has upon them from being unable to trust people and afraid to be alone and around people they don't know.
I mean is this shit not obvious? I also don't see why I can't tell someone off for bumping a 3 year old thread to post something so short.
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Re: Why is rape wrong? [Re: Uzziel]
#20003037 - 05/17/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: Whatever you say John. I can't believe we even have to stick to the "merits" of the argument of why rape is bad when this whole thread is just to provoke responses.
Believe it or not, those are the rules.
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As if forcing yourself upon someone, putting them in a uncomfortable position and potential harming their body has any good to it.
Of course it has good to it. The person commiting the act surely was motivated for some reason, and fulfilling that desire is a good. Further, all sorts of other positives may come about, children being conceived, bad people being killed, et cet. But none of this has anything to do with what the rules say about personal attacks.
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I mean is this shit not obvious? I also don't see why I can't tell someone off for bumping a 3 year old thread to post something so short.
You were warned for what you said about Orgone, not what you said about the thread bumper. As with most things in this forum, you certainly can address that point if you want, you just can't make irrelevant derogatory personal comments.
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