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Re: Justice is served [Re: TYL3R]
#14466522 - 05/17/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im a carnivore, this doesnt affect me
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I don't think likening them to "landmines" is appropriate. From what I can tell there hasn't been any injuries... unfortunately.
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Damn man, we are killing ourselves slowly with kind of crap.
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Re: Justice is served [Re: TYL3R]
#14466534 - 05/17/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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in no way is that produce organic
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punkrocker292004 said: in no way is that produce organic 
its a typo. yeah meant ogre-ic, as in having characteristics similar to that of an ogre ( extreme growth)

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punkrocker292004 said: in no way is that produce organic 
china doesnt have the same requirements that the US does regarding organics and even in the US a total of 5% of materials used on a crop can be synthetic, this includes pesticides and crap like forchlorfenuron with large growers like ConAgra and HJHienz petitioning for more and more to be used every day so while we dont see it as organic, under the current regulations it is legal to list it as such
if you buy from large chains like Whole Foods, definately check the labels on the crap you buy, if it's produced anywhere but the US, put it back. at least int he US there are inspections
http://www.renewable-energy-news.info/usda-uncovers-organic-food-scam-china/
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I lost my legs in the great chinese melon wars of 2011... whaddaya mean I still have my legs?
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punkrocker292004 said: in no way is that produce organic 
china doesnt have the same requirements that the US does regarding organics and even in the US a total of 5% of materials used on a crop can be synthetic, this includes pesticides and crap like forchlorfenuron with large growers like ConAgra and HJHienz petitioning for more and more to be used every day so while we dont see it as organic, under the current regulations it is legal to list it as such
if you buy from large chains like Whole Foods, definately check the labels on the crap you buy, if it's produced anywhere but the US, put it back. at least int he US there are inspections
http://www.renewable-energy-news.info/usda-uncovers-organic-food-scam-china/
this is why I didnt become a farmer...
That and the lack of any goverment aid for australian farmers. Unlike that of various other countries. Not sure if the have such a program in the U.S?
people want organic, home grown produce and at the same time want it cheaper than overseas competitors.
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Re: Justice is served [Re: mrckb]
#14466629 - 05/17/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mrckb said: That and the lack of any goverment aid for australian farmers. Unlike that of various other countries. Not sure if the have such a program in the U.S?
people want organic, home grown produce and at the same time want it cheaper than overseas competitors. 
what's really screwed is that in the US, large conglomerate owned farms that dont need the cash can get millions in subsidies and grants but the small farmers have a hard time receiving the funds and when they do they tend to be small. the USDA attaches the funds to a parcel of land, not the farmer applying, if the farmer sells and it's developed as a residential area then the home owners get the funds even if they arent growing anything but grass
here's an example http://jkshaws.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/pigford-scandal-massive-fraud-8-10-billion-in-handouts-to-unproven-victims/
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Superglue stickyk notes with the words "CHINA" on them onto products in whole foods. *snicker*
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what's really screwed is that in the US, large conglomerate owned farms that dont need the cash can get millions in subsidies and grants but the small farmers have a hard time receiving the funds and when they do they tend to be small. the USDA attaches the funds to a parcel of land, not the farmer applying, if the farmer sells and it's developed as a residential area then the home owners get the funds even if they arent growing anything but grass
here's an example http://jkshaws.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/pigford-scandal-massive-fraud-8-10-billion-in-handouts-to-unproven-victims/
Unless you're a 10th generation farmer who has owned their land since the colonization of Australia, you're in for a tough battle. A recurring trend of flood and drought in Aus usually means that smaller family run properties are sold off during tough times to the farming giants.
At the moment the dairy industry is doing it tough as the major super market chains push prices down on milk to muscle other competing grocery stores.
I think we should all bend over and accept the corrupt overseas producers as our overlords, who are inadvertently destroying competition with the plan to one day eliminate all competition and jack up prices at the mercy of the western world.
Realising this 2 years ago, I promplty quit my agricultural studies to persue a career in advertising. THEY CANT IMPORT THAT
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Re: Justice is served [Re: mrckb]
#14466714 - 05/17/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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advertising can be outsourced
consider janitorial, of course after all the office buildings close because everything that can be outsourced has been you'll still be out of work
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Prisoner#1 said: advertising can be outsourced
consider janitorial, of course after all the office buildings close because everything that can be outsourced has been you'll still be out of work
The Mayan calender was right.
haha the outsourcing Apocalypse draws near
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Re: Justice is served [Re: mrckb]
#14466957 - 05/17/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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as long as it arrives before the Robcalypse... you dont wanna be here for that
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I agree, buy local whenever you can! I don't see what's wrong with forchlorfenuron. It's a plant hormone, so what's the big fuss about? It's also approved for use here in the states.
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Prisoner#1 said: just so you know, this is how some of your organic produce is grown, buy local
http://www.newrossstandard.ie/breaking-news/world-news/watermelons-explode-like-landmines-2648971.html
I read that this morning.
Exploding watermelons!
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Re: Justice is served [Re: mrckb]
#14467321 - 05/17/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I only shop at farmer's markets for my produce, and i'm a member of local, organic meat-CSA in the bay area. that means I only have to buy starches and other stuff from a grocery store and when i do it's from a local co-op who has indicators in their store of which products are local and not. so all my bases are covered
But the lack of exploding fruits available to me in all of this is actually a slight disappointment. Brings a whole new technology to food fights
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I'll read the link in a moment.
Just reminded me I was driving through our corn growing and farming area the past couple weeks. Watching the farmers. It seems most of the big farms here are spraying round-up on 1,000's of acres of land and planting the corn directly in the earth a few days later. You can see all the other plants yellowing out while the corn just sprouts up through it.
Now we have the rains hitting us. I wonder how much of the chemicals washed out into our watershed.
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Re: Justice is served [Re: SheikCorp]
#14467588 - 05/17/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What y'all think about these glued steaks? bacteria for days, especially for those of you who like it rare... lol
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Re: Justice is served [Re: Deekay]
#14468085 - 05/17/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Deekay said: I don't see what's wrong with forchlorfenuron. It's a plant hormone, so what's the big fuss about? It's also approved for use here in the states.

loads of things are approved for use in the states, does that mean it should be used and wouldnt you like to have the choice as to whether it is or isnt used in what you consume, it's all about maximizing yields and early delivery of fruits, to me the quality suffers, they dont have time to develop the flavors they should have. I enjoy the flavor of tomatoes, not these lumps of graininess you buy in stores but a properly ripened tomato, the acidity and slight saltiness is far superior to the mushy grainy ethylene gas ripened shit at the local grocery shipped in from California with a stem attached with the claim it's 'vine ripened'
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Deekay said: I don't see what's wrong with forchlorfenuron. It's a plant hormone, so what's the big fuss about? It's also approved for use here in the states.

loads of things are approved for use in the states, does that mean it should be used and wouldnt you like to have the choice as to whether it is or isnt used in what you consume, it's all about maximizing yields and early delivery of fruits, to me the quality suffers, they dont have time to develop the flavors they should have. I enjoy the flavor of tomatoes, not these lumps of graininess you buy in stores but a properly ripened tomato, the acidity and slight saltiness is far superior to the mushy grainy ethylene gas ripened shit at the local grocery shipped in from California with a stem attached with the claim it's 'vine ripened'
I see yourt point, but plant hormones are a huge part of modern farming today. I'm glad we have them. It just looks like those melon farmers went a little overboard!
Grape yields can be increased by almost 400% with the use of plant hormones. 
All fruit is ripened with ethylene gas. 
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Re: Justice is served [Re: Deekay]
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plant hormones are a part of modern farming because many farmers want to increase their profit margins, most of those farms using these things are large operations just trying to make more and more which I can understand but then I also see that these farms are hiding their cash in various other areas in order to report losses and get both the tax write off and the farm subsidies
that 400% figure is a bit of an exaggeration. and for the record, gibberellic acid is a plant hormone, forchlorfenuron is a chemical compound used as a growth regulator
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Prisoner#1 said: plant hormones are a part of modern farming because many farmers want to increase their profit margins, most of those farms using these things are large operations just trying to make more and more which I can understand but then I also see that these farms are hiding their cash in various other areas in order to report losses and get both the tax write off and the farm subsidies
that 400% figure is a bit of an exaggeration. and for the record, gibberellic acid is a plant hormone, forchlorfenuron is a chemical compound used as a growth regulator
Sure some farmers may be hiding profits, but I know that most fruit farmers are not. They benefit greatly from the use of plant hormones and yet we still have a decline in orchard acreage in the country. Their use is a matter of competing in a global market. 400% Isn't some made up number. I don't feel like finding the PDF of 50's research again, but here's a picture.  Also, plant hormones are chemical compounds. And for the record "Forchlorfenuron is a cytokinin..."
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Re: Justice is served [Re: Deekay]
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forchlorfenuron was approved for use in 2004 so any research from the 50's isnt on this current chemical, gibberellic acid has been used for decades and is a synthetic cytokinin and is listed as a pesticide
http://www.extension.org/pages/31613/using-plant-growth-regulators-to-improve-the-color-of-grapes
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Prisoner#1 said: forchlorfenuron was approved for use in 2004 so any research from the 50's isnt on this current chemical, gibberellic acid has been used for decades and is a synthetic cytokinin and is listed as a pesticide
http://www.extension.org/pages/31613/using-plant-growth-regulators-to-improve-the-color-of-grapes
This 50's research involved gibberellic acid. See the second page chart for weight analysis. As for forchlorfenuron it's just a plant hormone analogue.
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Re: Justice is served [Re: Deekay]
#14468736 - 05/17/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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right, so it's similar to a naturally occurring plant hormone
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